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Thank you very much for taking the time to answer. I figured there would be some unguessable (to me) factor that limits the entire system.
No doubt KTM will take a hit, so will Beta. Two stroke kickstand bikes with no headlights seem to sell. Kawasaki was smart to bring out an off-road version too.
My dealer, who happens to be my brother is ordering 2027 KX's this week. They get 4 of the 327's, 3 are already sold.
^ That was going to be my next hypothetical question: Will Kawasaki make enough of these? I hope the dealers get so many preorders that they sell out in time for another production run. (Or an early schedule for 2028 models.) Good sales will entice other brands to try and get a slice of that pie with new 2-strokes.
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Yep, talked to a dealer yesterday that already has just shy of 30 deposits and they don't even know how many they are going to be allocated. This is going to be a Grand Slam for Kawasaki!!!
Does that include MX and XC models?
Looks like they will start shipping around Christmas time.
I just talked to my dealer and it’s only 4 per dealer they found out today I’m lucky I was the 2nd one to put deposit down . Going be some unhappy people getting money back . I think kawi didn’t expect this high of a demand for the bike
It’s 4 max 327s so can be 2 x and 2 mx but only 4 per dealer . Sounds like every dealer sold their 4 by yesterday . My dealer was told take deposit up tell end next week that was Tuesday then yesterday was told tell Friday they week and then this week was told now only 4 bikes .
It would be good to have some dealers chime in on this....I talked to 3 dealers this week that all show they are getting at least 20 allocated to them. Usually dealers are allocated based on previous sales history.
My dealer said Tuesday and yesterday they could order as many as they could get deposit for tell end of next week and then was told end of this week and then today was told only 4 . I didn’t think kawi expected then high of a demand . Over 1250 dealers in North American and each dealer selling just 4 that’s 5000 bikes . Thats prob max for what they have for available parts from suppliers set up for manufacture . They prob can’t have each dealer selling 20 or 30 as they wouldn’t be able produce that many has the available parts from suppliers take over a year to pre order I’m sure
Which means they haven't started production yet, they may be able to manufacture more to meet demand.
If Kawasaki is surprised by demand I'm not sure why; the (small) bigbore 2 stroke market is probably the biggest category in offroad competition bikes these days. I mean every serious offroad OEM has a 300 2 stroke and they sell well.
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This is all interesting, the CG, etc., but could ground clearance be the driving motive for where the engine was positioned? From the pics it looks like there’s a lot, good for off-road (pipe/rocks) and higher pegs good for moto also (ruts ripping off feet no fun).
There is also crankcase volume or "primary compression". Too much volume and you lose bottom end and too little, you need a reed spacer or a boost bottle. Yamahas' previous YZ250 (up to 98) they had to use a long rod with a spacer plate. edit. speculation but, if the engine didn't perform as expected (as a 250) with the counterbalancer and added volume bore and stroke could have been what fixed it.
And just like that I'm awoken from my slumber.
233 wet???
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Comparison of all the currently available big bore two stroke enduro/cross country bikes. The KX327 isn't the lightest but not the heaviest either. All OEM claimed weights. Sorry haven't done MX models.
That makes sense. I know there's a lot to it, but this gives me the broad strokes.
I have 4 cr250s. Carbureted bikes been easy to come by. No surprise a Japanese version of a ktm with some spice (extra cc, aluminum perimeter frame, kyb , up AND downstream injectors, a smartphone app that can tune hopefully. What the heck have they (japan) been thinking. Ktm gets 12.5k for a offroad 300. Many ktm owners are over the idiosyncrasies inherent to European design. And, are bored with the same old ktms. I hear people saying alot of yz250s are gonna be for sale. If kawi nails the first Gen of these bikes, it'll be a sea of green off road suddenly. Im probably waiting for year two it sounds like. Might get cute and put my kx500 .motor into my 2024 kx450 chassis just to fit in in the meantime lol
😂 if only.
“But it’s not carbed/doesn’t have a kicker/not a 125/250/500, doesn’t pay child support, or support my meth habit”
You give a tweaker an inch, he’ll take a mile (of copper)
Kawasaki could have a warp drive installed on the bike that takes you to single track on Mars and people would still complain it doesnt have a carb.
Its a wonder people arnt calling for a steam powered bike.
What have you got against steam powered bikes?
Nothing, im sick of the complexity of a carburettor. I feel for reliability and ease of servicing steam is the future. Kawi have no idea.
Hmmmmmmmm......... 🤔
I mean...they're both similar displacement two stroke engines with FI and an electronically actuated powervalve. How different could they look?
Yes, he gets 2 of each on his initial order. But who knows, he may get to order more down the road.
Yeah for sure. They definitely would look similar.. when they are both case reed, have essentially identical shaft placement and basic engine configuration, both have the exact same E-PV design and actuator layout, and the same balance shaft configuration in the same location, and both have e-start also placed int he same location, and very similar looking hydraulic clutch slave cylinder placement. But, yeah, other then those few coincidences, they are totally dissimilar. Oh, sorry, forget the identical cylinder stay placement.
Or perhaps that’s just where design and engineering dictate they should go to create the feeling they are after?
Where else would the counter balanced and starter go?
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