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Yes, what is so confusing about that? /s
Mike , you ask "who is right" ? That Mike , is very simple. The rule book is "right", after all it is the "rule book".
In spite of what the rule book states , you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over and no one here is buying it for a very good reason. The reason being is that none of that is written down in the rule book. Keep your eye on that whole reoccurring "rule book" concept as that's where you're getting lost.
There's zero reason that the rule book has not been updated if the AMA is going to claim that the meaning of red lights and red cross flags changed last year!!! Only an incompetent organization would tell it's members that they have to follow rules that aren't documented anywhere and instead they need to get the low down on the new rules from some chit chat in the pits. If only Weege would have asked you why you didn't take the time to update the rule book this year and are there any other "new" rules that folks should be aware of.
Wrong answer guy, you have it right there. You are assuming. Numerous pro riders have came out with their name saying they were not told this. Yet you, with no name, keep saying it’s the right decision and it has been announced. Yet now you say you ASSUME it’s been announced. Just stop…
So I can say anything I want and you have to substantiate why it isnt true? No if im going to say something, I need to have the facts. That's annoying as f***. I actually thought that it was true that they contradicted their rule book in the riders meeting. But the reason that you think it was said, was because "it must have been"? Putting about a 0.1% chance that anything other than a reminder of what lights and flags mean was said in that riders meeting.
I think you've officially gone off the deep end. Please stop spreading BS as fact. Thanks.
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The conversion will be complete when there are clowns with horns at each jump.
At any rate, good luck to Honda in getting resolution to this. What a crazy season.
Is that the accepted method now for advising teams and riders of rules? We are still talking about AMA Supercross here aren’t we - the pinnacle of off-road motorcycle racing in the world?
Riders meetings aren’t the place to introduce and explain new rules - they are for highlighting existing rules that need reinforcement and explaining conditions about the racing for the day.
Well they can choose to introduce new rules anyway they like but if it’s done any way other than properly updating the rulebook then this is the type of shitshow you end up with.
Is this the way you manage employment conditions and policies at your workplace?
Neither. The rulebook is right.
I think Honda (and many on here) are more concerned about the COLOR of the light. Nothing wrong with a yellow light or flag because EVERYBODY knows what that means.
You're curious? Oh yes, I remember now, you are "race director" and have much more experience and knowledge than anyone on this board when it comes to these things. You throw you opinion around as fact and refuse to acknowledge any difference of opinion. One of the most self-righteous dudes on this board.
Verbal isn't binding in this matter, PERIOD. And Hunter himself said on Pulp he'd never heard anything about lead in lights and he didn't jump because "red lights mean wheels on the ground." Maybe the fact both Martin brothers and Phil said the same thing might sway you? Nah, probably not.
Precisely.
I leave you with this...
2026 Supercross Rulebook:
Aforementioned "Rule and Bulletins" section. HINT: No such amendment for red lights or red cross flags exists:
Read maybe, but comprehend? 🤷
They can decide to apply or not to apply a penalty. A warning isn't a penalty.
Since you seem to read the rule book like the devil reads the bible, it would be in direct contradiction to what's in the rule book. For most it's not, because it's allowed in the rule book.
Rider can jump against the red cross, and not get a penalty.
SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS
a. Supplementary Regulations may be made by AMA for an Event. Such Supplementary Regulations shall apply to the conduct of that Event if they are issued or announced prior to or during the Event by means of a Bulletin, newsletter, fax, electronic or internet posting, Pre-Race meeting, or communication over the radio from Race
In think everyone agrees it should have been in the book by now. However, as mentioned from the start, not all rules needs to be in the book as some is insisting.
Yes and as I said earlier when the rules aren’t in the book you end up with a shitshow like we have now.
There are no Supplementary Regulations posted there either, as they are supposed to be, PER THE RULEBOOK:
Jesus. How do you people get by in daily life?
Something communicated at a national, regional or local race in a rider meeting isn't expected to be posted at the website of AMA.
How do you expect communication over the radio from Race Direction to be simultaneously posted at a website? 😅
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Yes, it actually IS expected to be posted on the website of the AMA, as the 2026 Supercross Rulebook says it will be.
The rules are comprised of the rulebook itself, along with Competition Bulletins and Supplementary Regulations, which "are available in the Rule and Bulletin section at: americanmotorcyclist.com". That's straight out of the Supercross Rulebook.
The body of rules governing a Supercross event are comprised of #1 the Rulebook, #2 Competition Bulletins, #3 Supplementary Regulations, all of which are to be available on the AMA website, per its own Supercross Rulebook. If the AMA is going to make a decision contrary to the rulebook, there needs to be written documentation available in one of the above-mentioned forms backing up that decision. That is not the case here.
Let’s say these Supplementary Regulations were “made by AMA for an Event” as you say; which “Event” would that have been? Round 1, and again for Round 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7?…….
Regardless, as 38Special showed; the rule book states these sup regs will be published on the website, which they aren’t. It’s almost as if they don’t exist?
The riders meeting agenda/notes from each round are posted at the same link. There is nothing about “lead in” lights. Changes were made to the 2025 and 2026 rulebooks, but not a peep about these red flashing lights that aren’t to be viewed as red flashing lights.
At the end of the day, section 1 of the rulebook gives the AMA a huge amount of leeway to do whatever they want; and aside from the official appeals process (also documented in the rulebook,) there isn’t shit anyone can do about it. What they say goes, even when that goes against what they say.
It’s the lack of effective communication, lack of updating the rules when required, and shit judgement here that is inexcusable.
Exactly, @aees is acting like this was the first race this new rule was announced at. IF we want to believe it was announced at media day before the season started there has been almost 3 months to update the rule book. We can safely assume this rule, if it was changed, was not correctly communicated
Some are suggesting Honda takes this to court which seems a bit extreme and will most likely not happen but let’s say they did, could the AMA not just ban them from competing in their series’? Of course that does nothing but cause an even bigger shit storm but I’d think it’s something Honda would have to consider if that’s a road they are thinking of going down.
JT said it very well. The Red Cross/Medic Flag needs to be as simple and easily noticeable as possible. So that no hesitation or decision making is required. When the signal for wheels on ground is given, riders should do everything in their power to make that true, as quickly and as safely as possible.
Penalties, and post race statements should reflect this. However, in this instance, both the penalties (or lack of) and statements will absolutely cause hesitation, and may cause riders to decide whether to comply or not, for their own gain.
While constant interruptions and hold ups to racing (from red and medic flags) maybe frustrating to both fans and racers. I would much rather live with the frustration of a battle cut short, or a race “ruined” by flag timing, than to have a race ruined by a preventable injury or death.
The sport is dangerous enough as it is.
As much as the AMA may feel they have painted themselves into a corner, and need to stick to their decision. I would test that with an extreme and admittedly unlikely (but not impossible) scenario. What if this weekend or one soon, similar scenarios play out, i.e. problems with lead in lights, contradictory lights/flags. And someone jumps because they wasted time thinking about lights and flags and their result /career if they get it wrong. What if the jumper lands on, and kills or paralyses a rider, medic, or track crew.
Surely the shame, sadness and negative impact on the sport would be greater than whatever may occur by changing the decisions and statements made about situation in Arlington.
I would even prefer if they just straight up said something like.
There were errors and confusion at the previous round, regarding lead in lights and Red Cross flag scenarios. This is regrettable and for that we apologise. For the sake of safety, this is exactly how we will be treating every situation moving forward. If a light, or flag is displayed, even if in error. Riders must make every possible effort to to reduce speed and keep wheels on ground, as quickly as possible. failure to do so will result in penalties.
Whatever they do, I would prefer it is in the preference of rider safety, rather than saving face. It’s a difficult task to sanction a race series. I think that even though it wasn’t implemented in the best way, the decision to add lead in lights and conditions around them, were in the interest of safety. This situation has highlighted some flaws, but luckily no one was hurt. Rather than shaming, let’s just support and welcome a positive change from a lesson learnt.
Long post, but I saw someone die at a pro race last year, and then another laying lifeless in a similar way at a race I was in (luckily the latter made a full recovery). It was horrible, and that was just as an empathetic observer…
Give it a rest 😅 Can you breathe without instructions? 😅
If the lead in lights are track design dependent, they need to inform about that for every track.
They should have put something in the book, yes. However, there just isn't an excuse to invalidate what is said at riders meeting or else just because it's not in the book.
My guess is, they have said "remember the lead in lights are placed at x and y this week". And probably they missed it some weeks.
Good lord, shut up!
You can guess that the lights were mentioned. You can guess that the AMA sent a carrier pigeon to each rider's house with a memo about this. The problem is not a single rider or member of the media has yet indicated that they were aware of these lead in lights, including Hunter who stands to benefit.
The other problem with that guess is that we have all of the rider meetings agendas here. I didn't check all of them, but at quick glance, the rider meeting agendas include a section to specifically call out the flags and lights. "Please take the time to familiarize yourself once again..." Guess what isn't there? Could it have been discussed and not listed in the agenda? Sure. Hell of a guess, though.
There's that "or" word again, in the Riders Briefing for Arlington:
Wow...another clown has outed themselves.
You need to put in an application with the AMA ...you no doubt have the right stuff and will fit right in with the rest of the bozos there.
"Once published" being the operative terms here. They weren't published in the rule book yet. Verbal means nothing. He said, she said bullshit.
As the rule book exists at the time of the incidents, the incidents should be penalized.
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