Zingg Lawsuit

I don’t think so. I believe he’s in the commercial printing business. 

Lot of dirtbike shit going on on there Instagram page… even makes the trophies for 2x promotions 

So is 2X different than 2XP?

So he grew up racing and even tried to go pro. Then raised his kid to race mx. He has a Moto related business. Did his kid get a tractor on the track? Or a tree or structure too close to the track? No, His kid gets hit by a bike when he crashes in a corner and they sue???? What, the absolute F?…… I would be devastated if my kid dies racing but being hit in a corner can happen. I don’t know any tracks that have “Corner Flaggers”. They have them on jump. Wonder if anyone knows how he was hit? Did he fall in front of someone? 

2XP LLC stands for 2X Promotions; it's the same as the 2X referenced in the rest of this thread.

Wow, so suing one of his major customers. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

For me I see it like this, I am 55 years old and when I goto a track I take I few min to look around and see how things are going, I observe all day as I am at the track, if I ever felt unsafe for any reason, I would pack up and leave. In no way would I ever put my life in some one else's hands. Nor would I sue a track that was letting me bring my bike, my family, to their place to ride at my own will. It's not their job to keep me safe, that's on ME!

Kind of surprised they didn’t include Team Green kawi in with the defendants.  They could make a case that he was forced/ encouraged to participate  at this venue.

I wondered the same thing once I saw Fox was listed. Is wearing Fox part of the team green deal or separate? 

The whole thing bothers me, but the Fox one is pathetic.  Suing Fox because he was wearing a Fox brand roost deflector?

I've raced Mammoth 3 times, it is one of the safest tracks I've ever been to. It's a big outdoor track with no crazy jumps at all. The only worries I remember are hitting a big kicker after mid day or getting a rock to the face in one of those sections (iykyk) Its also probably the best staffed track I've ever seen. Lots of flaggers, EMT's on site, everyone has a radio... I hate seeing it get blamed for lack of safety, it's just not true. 

I feel horrible for the family and I don't know the full facts, but if you fall in front of a pack, there's not much a flagger can do for you other than wave the yellow. 

Once the lawyers get involved, they drag everyone that is even REMOTELY associated with the situation into it.   They don’t care.  It’s only business to them.   Scum. 

I hate to mention this and I cannot imagine how this family is feeling…but this is pretty awful stuff.  

From my little understanding he also was killed due to trauma to his chest…saw lots of photos of him and he never wore any type of chest protector.  Not implying that it’s the cause or could’ve prevented anything but we make decisions and unfortunately live with very difficult consequences.  

Sad all around but blaming the track is not cool in our sport.  We all know what can happen.

This topic just has me coming back as it doesn’t seem right. How could such a serious allegation be the fault of so many negligent parties? I could understand if it were directed towards the track for having a water truck on the track or the promoter for stacking the gate drops with pros and beginners, etc. However how can all these different things be responsible for the ultimate result? Its just not right. 

Yep. At least one case of a family suing an engine manufacturer when their family member flew a perfectly good airplane (and engine) into the side of a mountain due to entering IMC as a VFR-only pilot. Engine had nothing to do with it, but the manufacturer has $$$ and if they can get even a small percentage of “fault” applied to them, they can tap into it. 

Juries are also famous for thinking any large company has “plenty of money” to pay a grieving family. 



 

The problem here is the jury doesn't have to be unanimous, just majority. If they get enough of the jurors to feel bad for the loss of their son, which will be fairly easy, than they'll win. The jurors will most likely not have moto backgrounds and won't have any idea what flaggers are, that a "chest protector" is mostly just for roost, or how any other tracks are designed. 

I had a buddy that was on a jury for a car crash victim. He sued because his life was irreversibly changed during to the accident. There's a racket on doctors and lawyers for this and they'll purposely run up medical bills to show a huge financial cost, like 4 times standard pricing in an already overpriced medical field. The victim was able to walk, talk, and apparently work out every day, but he had trauma from the wreck. Some of his medical bills were for financial counseling... My buddy was trying to bring up points on some of these bogus bills, but there were only a couple others that seemed to care, everyone else wanted to get the guy paid and go home. 

Showing up to race amateur motocross at Mammoth is 100% voluntary.  My condolences to the family and hope they can find peace. 

I'm not placing blame anywhere, but the Fox Raptor Vest is CE level 2 front and back, and I'd bet he wasn't wearing that model chest protector. 

I dont follow many other action sports, but do amateur parents sue in drag racing, side by side racing, jet ski racing, kart racing, bmx, skateboarding etc? Sport has so much going against it right now, like others I dont know if it can survive. 

So, actual question that I am genuinely curious about...what is the point of signing a waiver then? 

Sucks what happens, can’t believe they are suing though. 

If my kid died, my world would be over, I would never think of suing the track though, unless they were 100% at fault. Like track worker crossing the track on a side by side during a race and my kid hitting it. That type of thing id sue for 

Flaggers and all that, If you don’t like the amount of flaggers, or feel track isn’t safe, don’t race. This sport can’t afford to have a flagger on every obstacle and every turn. Race entry would be $300 per class instead of $30 and sport would be done 

I've been involved in MX almost 50 years and been injured like all of us many times at public and private tracks . If the track was negligent and my son died or was severely injured if sue the hell out of them . If you're going to put on an event be properly staffed 

If you don't want your kid to get killed racing motocross, then don't let them race motocross!  It could fucking happen to any of us.

I imagine there is not nearly as many deaths or serious injuries in any of those sports compared to MX 

Was he wearing one of the soft "Under Protectors"? Didn't the AMA just release a new rule saying amateur riders cant wear those and they have to wear the hard plastic type chest protectors?

This family just ruined their reputation and unfortunately the reputation of the son. They know the risks, he knew the risks, and they still race. That lawsuit is so much BS that I couldn’t stand to be anywhere near these people. Sad they lost a son, but they all accepted the risk. This is a slap in the face to their son.

Nothings changed since it changed owners..

Perhaps better training for flaggers. Realize the importance of the flag. Act fricken fast. If no flaggers show up. Cancel the event. Seems to me like many of today’s problems, people lacking common sense. Why? 

According to one of the posted articles, they had 45 flaggers, the nearest one was 18 feet away. 

Brett Downey Foundation or Kurt Caselli Foundation, that’s the right way to “bring safer operations to races”. 

Horrible accident and loss but don’t like this lawsuit