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9/22/2025 1:12pm
NVA57 wrote:
There’s no other motorsport where a racer could deliberately try to make an opponent crash without getting a ban. It’s one thing to be aggressive in...

There’s no other motorsport where a racer could deliberately try to make an opponent crash without getting a ban. It’s one thing to be aggressive in the heat of the moment, but putting another rider down multiple times as your only goal in the race is uncalled for. This shit ain’t demolition derby. 

Let me introduce you too 80's-2003 normal supercross, Tyler Evans and Vince Freezer...

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Im sure Brian and Tim Cotter had a discussion with the AMA about it. 😜

The last time Brian and Tim were in a room discussing the rules, didn't they end up group intimidating some kid without any parents present?

You caught my joke.🤣

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9/22/2025 1:24pm
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Eli is a badass for only ever tweeting at Matthes among many things 😂 but hopefully you guys calling for vehicular assault charges can read this and not have to go to your safe spaces.

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9/22/2025 1:39pm
NVA57 wrote:
There’s no other motorsport where a racer could deliberately try to make an opponent crash without getting a ban. It’s one thing to be aggressive in...

There’s no other motorsport where a racer could deliberately try to make an opponent crash without getting a ban. It’s one thing to be aggressive in the heat of the moment, but putting another rider down multiple times as your only goal in the race is uncalled for. This shit ain’t demolition derby. 

HonDawg17 wrote:

Let me introduce you too 80's-2003 normal supercross, Tyler Evans and Vince Freezer...

The only racing that had this many slow down and swerves was Bradshaw and Matiasevich in the early 90's. Freise just rides like an idiot to everyone and Tyler Evans was a punk and a bad look for the sport. Guy would come out rip off his shirt and then not do shit in the race.

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9/22/2025 2:10pm
So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the...

So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the meaningless penalty given to Deegan who was already on probation which means that the penalty should be worse because he was already on probation. He deliberately swerved into 3 different riders in moto 2 and so many times into Shimoda that AMA had plenty of time to notice what was happening. This is the most unprofessional racing I have ever seen and a rider deliberately trying to injure his competition. Deegan's AMA license needs to be pulled for a period. Not applying a proper penalty will only encourage this reckless behavior. Anyone have the email of relevant AMA officials?

Mike Pelletier

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9/22/2025 6:26pm Edited Date/Time 9/22/2025 6:32pm

MXA posted this on their homepage;

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WATCH THE CRINGE WORTHY 2025 SUPERMOTOCROSS CHAMPIONSHIP FINALE

Sep 22, 2025
Haiden Deegan should be embarassed, but so should the AMA officials, TV announcers & the sport as a whole after that ridiculous display.
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Most of social media seems to see Deegan's behavior and the AMA's reaction as problematic, but what is interesting is that many of the riders/ teams are downplaying the incident based on the championship/ amount of money at stake.
 
How is this so different from when the professional figure skater, Tanya Harding, had her boyfriend whack the kneecaps of her competitor, Nancy Kerrigan, before a winter olympics?  It was the same objective and motive.. take out a competitor to win a championship and money.
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9/22/2025 6:46pm
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Eli is a badass for only ever tweeting at Matthes among many things 😂 but hopefully you guys calling for vehicular assault charges can read this...

Eli is a badass for only ever tweeting at Matthes among many things 😂 but hopefully you guys calling for vehicular assault charges can read this and not have to go to your safe spaces.

Not calling for it. Just pointing it out.  Trying to ram someone and leaving 250k on the table is just fucking stupid. I'll bet Brian is pissed.

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9/23/2025 6:03am

In itself, the fine isn't big, but without his crash he mich likely wins the overall and ends up 2nd in the championship. His fall cost him almost 250 000$, he did punished himself quite well.🙃

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9/23/2025 6:32am
ARM670 wrote:

Im sure Brian and Tim Cotter had a discussion with the AMA about it. 😜

The last time Brian and Tim were in a room discussing the rules, didn't they end up group intimidating some kid without any parents present?

tim should have been fired for that and brian suspended for a year .

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9/23/2025 6:38am

The AMA has pretty much always been a joke .Just look at what they did to Briar Bauman this year in the AFT series .That was blatant what they did to him black flagging him for no reason at all they speculated he was leaking oil when not one rider was complaining about it .If they thought there was oil on the track they could have red flagged it but instead took the title from Briar 

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9/23/2025 6:48am
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Yogis got some explaining to do 🤨

I want to hear his take on it.

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ARM670 wrote:

Im sure Brian and Tim Cotter had a discussion with the AMA about it. 😜

The last time Brian and Tim were in a room discussing the rules, didn't they end up group intimidating some kid without any parents present?

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tim should have been fired for that and brian suspended for a year .

Rumors are rumors but supposedly said behavior (cheating + intimidation) has been a thing for a while, and obviously nothing has been done: https://www.thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1074759-little-deegan-making-mm-proud/

All motorsports have BS, but the wild thing in American MX/SX is how much of this stuff is totally fine and the perpetrators celebrated. I've heard more than one moto pundit suggest we should totally get rid of privateers (which I don't agree with), "to be more like Formula 1 or MotoGP". You don't have it both ways - you don't get to make $$$ on the back of Barcia, Friese, Deegan or whoever doing WWE on 2 wheels and then posture about being like F1. F1 has more rules than Sunday School just to pass someone.

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OwenJakes wrote:

 Between deegan and dewolf this has been an embarrassing weekend for professional mx. 

5 point penalty from the AMA? How pathetic. 

DeWolfe (however it is spelt) sure got the karma though hahaha.

9/23/2025 7:17am
NV825 wrote:
Unless I completely misheard what was being discussed in the Steve/JT/Weege recap pod, it sounds like the rules on punishments for offenses have no wiggle room...

Unless I completely misheard what was being discussed in the Steve/JT/Weege recap pod, it sounds like the rules on punishments for offenses have no wiggle room. So it was going to be only 5 championship points regardless of whether Deegz was or was not able to accomplish his plan to take Jo out of contention. This year alone gave us A LOT of gray areas (track cutting, Jett's gate jump, etc.). 

Regardless, the AMA should have had the balls to black flag Deegz in Vegas. I'd love to hear their reasoning on why it wasn't when it was blatantly obvious to everyone watching what was going on.

JT went deep into this part of the convo and literally said that he believes Deegs knew he would get hit with the 5 point penalty so his strategy was to end Jo's race (either via injury or mechanical) so Deegs could win it all even with the penalty. Black flag + suspension is the only solution to this bullshit.

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2025 AMA Racing Rulebook Section 4.4.A.3 allows the AMA seven ways to penalize a rider with loss of Championship points being option E.  However, 4.4.A.4(b) states "The minimum suspension for a second offense of a similar nature shall be six months".  So this is where the AMA has some explaining to do imo because if Deegan was already on probation for a similar offense - contacting another rider - how is the AMA able to willfully bypass its own rules?

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9/23/2025 9:15am Edited Date/Time 9/23/2025 9:18am
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2025 AMA Racing Rulebook Section 4.4.A.3 allows the AMA seven ways to penalize a rider with loss of Championship points being option E.  However, 4.4.A.4(b) states...

2025 AMA Racing Rulebook Section 4.4.A.3 allows the AMA seven ways to penalize a rider with loss of Championship points being option E.  However, 4.4.A.4(b) states "The minimum suspension for a second offense of a similar nature shall be six months".  So this is where the AMA has some explaining to do imo because if Deegan was already on probation for a similar offense - contacting another rider - how is the AMA able to willfully bypass its own rules?

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LBiggie wrote:
2025 AMA Racing Rulebook Section 4.4.A.3 allows the AMA seven ways to penalize a rider with loss of Championship points being option E.  However, 4.4.A.4(b) states...

2025 AMA Racing Rulebook Section 4.4.A.3 allows the AMA seven ways to penalize a rider with loss of Championship points being option E.  However, 4.4.A.4(b) states "The minimum suspension for a second offense of a similar nature shall be six months".  So this is where the AMA has some explaining to do imo because if Deegan was already on probation for a similar offense - contacting another rider - how is the AMA able to willfully bypass its own rules?

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I believe you have to look at the AMA rule book that applies to the disipline (Supercross/Motocross), the one you referenced I believe applies to amateur racing.    I'm not sure which one they use for SMX I would assume Supercross.

 

Here's a link to the Supercross rule book:

2025-AMA-Supercross-Rulebook-Updated-Jan.-28-2025.pdf

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FIM is the same weakness....just watch the MX2 motos from Australia....de Wolf rode exactly same behavior like the douche Deegan 

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Front242 wrote:

FIM is the same weakness....just watch the MX2 motos from Australia....de Wolf rode exactly same behavior like the douche Deegan 

Let's agree to disagree.  Watched mx2 yesterday and everyone knew it was coming.  When Kay did it (the pass), it was a great move from inside to outside.  Much more of a racing incident then deegs did

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9/23/2025 9:49am
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He should have been arrested at the finish line. AMA needs a wake up call...Definition of Vehicular AssaultVehicular assault is defined as the intentional or reckless...

He should have been arrested at the finish line. AMA needs a wake up call...

Definition of Vehicular Assault
Vehicular assault is defined as the intentional or reckless use of a motor vehicle to cause bodily harm to another person. This definition encompasses a range of actions, from deliberately striking an individual with a vehicle to engaging in reckless driving (that results in injury. The intent requirement is a vital component in determining the nature of the offense. In cases of vehicular assault, the 
perpetrator must demonstrate a clear intention to cause harm or exhibit a reckless disregard for the safety of others

I think people are kidding themselves if they don’t think this is possible. 

If Jo would have been injured, or worse ( yes, it’s possible ) , do people here think that any release that is signed saves them from criminal charges? If it’s just a racing incident, I would think they would be safe, but with premeditation ( like what this was, especially after several attempts ) Deegan could have been gambling with his freedom. 
And while I don’t think Deegan was solely at fault for the Ryder D crash, gross negligence could be argued. 

I’m not advocating for this kind of scrutiny at all, but just pointing out that it’s not out of the realm of possibility. 

If that happens once, our sport is hosed. 
 

 

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9/23/2025 11:18am Edited Date/Time 9/23/2025 11:37am

The ama is still looking into this if I heard things right on pulp. I don't think they want him racing mxon. 

Every week you hear more and more stories of his bad behavior that isn't shown. I heard he was trying to start a fight in the hotel at breakfast? Ok not on race grounds so thats fine just classless. But he went to the gas gas rig after the first moto and was yelling. 

This is not what the sport needs and his fans are brainwashed by the edited and fake videos. 

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The ama is still looking into this if I heard things right on pulp. I don't think they want him racing mxon. Every week you hear more...

The ama is still looking into this if I heard things right on pulp. I don't think they want him racing mxon. 

Every week you hear more and more stories of his bad behavior that isn't shown. I heard he was trying to start a fight in the hotel at breakfast? Ok not on race grounds so thats fine just classless. But he went to the gas gas rig after the first moto and was yelling. 

This is not what the sport needs and his fans are brainwashed by the edited and fake videos. 

Yelling in the Gas Gas pits… did he blame that on Ryder?

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The ama is still looking into this if I heard things right on pulp. I don't think they want him racing mxon. Every week you hear more...

The ama is still looking into this if I heard things right on pulp. I don't think they want him racing mxon. 

Every week you hear more and more stories of his bad behavior that isn't shown. I heard he was trying to start a fight in the hotel at breakfast? Ok not on race grounds so thats fine just classless. But he went to the gas gas rig after the first moto and was yelling. 

This is not what the sport needs and his fans are brainwashed by the edited and fake videos. 

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Yelling in the Gas Gas pits… did he blame that on Ryder?

I have no idea. All I know is every week I hear how much of a dick he is. Ryder did spin out so I would say the majority is on him. A little has to fall on deegan because that line he was taking was super high risk with someone in front. Probably why they put the pole there. Then you see the brainwashed fans say they did it to slow deegan down. 

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Front242 wrote:

FIM is the same weakness....just watch the MX2 motos from Australia....de Wolf rode exactly same behavior like the douche Deegan 

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Let's agree to disagree.  Watched mx2 yesterday and everyone knew it was coming.  When Kay did it (the pass), it was a great move from inside...

Let's agree to disagree.  Watched mx2 yesterday and everyone knew it was coming.  When Kay did it (the pass), it was a great move from inside to outside.  Much more of a racing incident then deegs did

and beginning of the 2. moto before the rain started 

he passed him and brake checked to get Laengenfelder front tire tucked by de Wolf's rear tire

black flag for me too

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The whole event was a complete embarrassment to anyone who witnessed it. Mike Pelletier should be ashamed, between the handling of injured riders and the Deegan fiasco I was expecting a public statement by now…

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Beyond weak, AMA is useless.

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Has there been anything by anyone from the officiating side? Pelletier, Yogi, JBone…..anyone?

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Once Deegan does the second takeout move the black flag should’ve been thrown out. The probability of Shimoda being the one down with a broken collarbone...

Once Deegan does the second takeout move the black flag should’ve been thrown out. The probability of Shimoda being the one down with a broken collarbone was just as big as Deegan.


The lack of officiating made the sport look like a circus yet again.

Bro, do you not realize that "this is what the sport needs"? Deegan's fans always seem thrilled by the kid's actions. I do not want the sport to be seen this way AT ALL.

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Has there been anything by anyone from the officiating side? Pelletier, Yogi, JBone…..anyone?

Absolutely amateur hour when it’s almost 4 days later and no PR from AMA Pro Racing about this situation 

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