Finally, Eli and Jorge tackle burning questions...

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Maybe but you can’t make a blanket statement like that and just ignore the fact that the MXGP point leader is on the bike.

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Prado is definitely lost. You can see it in his eyes when asked the question 😒

Hv you watched the other pre, post race interviews .  There drilling him good.  Horrible position to be in he was in Really good spirits that’s starting to fade out.  A revalvale co installed a shock spring 30 lbs too hvy for me.  It turned my bike into a head shake of death machine.  Easy fix just install tge stock spring .  America is a tough country these people want to get there moneys worth out of him.  Strongest hhg right now with every drilling record . We fired men all the time for lack of ability to hang .  

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Prado is definitely lost. You can see it in his eyes when asked the question 😒

Hv you watched the other pre, post race interviews .  There drilling him good.  Horrible position to be in he was in Really good spirits that’s...

Hv you watched the other pre, post race interviews .  There drilling him good.  Horrible position to be in he was in Really good spirits that’s starting to fade out.  A revalvale co installed a shock spring 30 lbs too hvy for me.  It turned my bike into a head shake of death machine.  Easy fix just install tge stock spring .  America is a tough country these people want to get there moneys worth out of him.  Strongest hhg right now with every drilling record . We fired men all the time for lack of ability to hang .  

Hang equals Loyalty. If you can hang, it builds camaraderie with the other Hangers. That’s when people work together as a unit to get things handled.

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Prado clearly isn’t happy. What is the actual chance he splits with Kawi at end of the year? Or is it just not possible due to...

Prado clearly isn’t happy. What is the actual chance he splits with Kawi at end of the year? Or is it just not possible due to contracts 

It sounds like he would welcome that 

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Did everyone miss Prado praising his team, when he said everyone at Kawasaki is working hard to improve the bike?

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kelso.184 wrote:
Prado clearly isn’t happy. What is the actual chance he splits with Kawi at end of the year? Or is it just not possible due to...

Prado clearly isn’t happy. What is the actual chance he splits with Kawi at end of the year? Or is it just not possible due to contracts 

I was thinking the same thing. We’ve seen elite riders get out of contracts before (Stew comes to mind), and there’s no incentive for Kawi not to let him out if the year keeps going like this. Especially if they are snagging Sexton next year.

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Some people call a bone bruise a microtrabecular fracture.

He described an acute injury twisting his knee that also caused ligament and cartilage damage, not pain from repetitive stress, and called it a tibial plateau fracture...... so who knows..... but did not sound like he was describing a bone bruise. 

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It wouldn’t surprise me if prado knows what direction to go with bike setup and isn’t aloud to, and that would be extremely frustrating to me. “RV...

It wouldn’t surprise me if prado knows what direction to go with bike setup and isn’t aloud to, and that would be extremely frustrating to me. 

“RV won on it”

I bet he’d do better on masterpools 450 setup by AHM 

With Prado’s results being a disappointment, why would they not let him set the bike up any way he might want it? That sounds ridiculous!

You have not worked with engineers I see. 

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Tomac was beating himself up over the Milville setup, even mentioning that "he" has done this to "himself" several times in his career.Prado was flippantly saying...

Tomac was beating himself up over the Milville setup, even mentioning that "he" has done this to "himself" several times in his career.

Prado was flippantly saying he's done everything right and his results are out of his hands.

You guys see the difference, right? 

As a Tomac fan he has internalized his struggles with Kawasaki even while winning multiple championships with them, and ultimately we hear about his difficulties after his transition to Yamaha. Called a "head case" by the Vital community for years - we don't know what's going on so we start name-calling. 

Yes, Tomac is the model for accountability, but also for secrecy. If there were a true bike problem he'd never say it. Bike blows up at Redbud - always an electrical issue 🤪.

Jorge is a multi-time world champ and bike setup matters. Kawi paid good money for him but Jorge is committing 3 years of his career to make this work. Yes - Febvre is the current MXGP points leader and making the EU spec (not US spec) Kawi work. But I recall Jorge beat Febvre last time they competed for a world championship. 

I'll go with confident, open, and frustrated over arrogant and incapable. 

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Prado clearly isn’t happy. What is the actual chance he splits with Kawi at end of the year? Or is it just not possible due to...

Prado clearly isn’t happy. What is the actual chance he splits with Kawi at end of the year? Or is it just not possible due to contracts 

captmoto wrote:

It sounds like he would welcome that 

If Prado does, in fact jump ship and doesn't head back to Europe for 2026...would Kawasaki still field a 2-man 450 team? If so, who might get the nod as Sexton's teammate? I doubt they'd sign Ando again...and I sincerely doubt he'd consider riding in Chase's shadow.

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7/19/2025 10:36am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2025 10:38am
It wouldn’t surprise me if prado knows what direction to go with bike setup and isn’t aloud to, and that would be extremely frustrating to me. “RV...

It wouldn’t surprise me if prado knows what direction to go with bike setup and isn’t aloud to, and that would be extremely frustrating to me. 

“RV won on it”

I bet he’d do better on masterpools 450 setup by AHM 

With Prado’s results being a disappointment, why would they not let him set the bike up any way he might want it? That sounds ridiculous!

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You have not worked with engineers I see. 

Actually I have. The question is are they at the track on race day calling the shots? I have no idea, but if they are that’s ridiculous unless safety is involved. Prado or any rider for that matter are the ones riding the bike and should be able to make the adjustments they want on race day.

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GrapeApe wrote:
Tomac was beating himself up over the Milville setup, even mentioning that "he" has done this to "himself" several times in his career.Prado was flippantly saying...

Tomac was beating himself up over the Milville setup, even mentioning that "he" has done this to "himself" several times in his career.

Prado was flippantly saying he's done everything right and his results are out of his hands.

You guys see the difference, right? 

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As a Tomac fan he has internalized his struggles with Kawasaki even while winning multiple championships with them, and ultimately we hear about his difficulties after...

As a Tomac fan he has internalized his struggles with Kawasaki even while winning multiple championships with them, and ultimately we hear about his difficulties after his transition to Yamaha. Called a "head case" by the Vital community for years - we don't know what's going on so we start name-calling. 

Yes, Tomac is the model for accountability, but also for secrecy. If there were a true bike problem he'd never say it. Bike blows up at Redbud - always an electrical issue 🤪.

Jorge is a multi-time world champ and bike setup matters. Kawi paid good money for him but Jorge is committing 3 years of his career to make this work. Yes - Febvre is the current MXGP points leader and making the EU spec (not US spec) Kawi work. But I recall Jorge beat Febvre last time they competed for a world championship. 

I'll go with confident, open, and frustrated over arrogant and incapable. 

 

Prado beat both Kawis, Febvre and Seewer:

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Mitchell Harrison qualified one spot behind Prado today. Maybe it's just the factory bike that's a problem? That must be it.... 

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So Prado says the bike isn’t where he needs it, and everyone here says it’s annoying and he’s making excuses, but Tomac says the same thing...

So Prado says the bike isn’t where he needs it, and everyone here says it’s annoying and he’s making excuses, but Tomac says the same thing in the same interview and not a word…….

I’d say there’s some pretty stark contrast between the two interviews. Tomac seems reluctant to even mention the bike and takes full accountability for going in...

I’d say there’s some pretty stark contrast between the two interviews. Tomac seems reluctant to even mention the bike and takes full accountability for going in the wrong direction while Prado literally said it’s not up to him whether his results improve this year or not. Prado’s interview just comes across as if he’s putting all the blame on the team.

Frankly, cultural differences or behind-the-scenes happenings make no difference to me at this point... Prado comes across as an entitled whiner. I straight-up don't like him after the way he's handled adversity this season. I know, it doesn't matter, nobody cares what one random fan thinks. But, I think many other American fans feel the same, which won't help his case for gaining a fanbase over here going forward.

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CPR wrote:

Sorry sounds like you heard something different to me.

Mavetism wrote:
Maybe it was the delivery by Prado. He isn't sugar coating anything, that's for sure. Saying "I'm not doing anything wrong, I know what I'm capable...

Maybe it was the delivery by Prado. He isn't sugar coating anything, that's for sure. Saying "I'm not doing anything wrong, I know what I'm capable off" just sounds more rough than Tomacs "We are not feeling that good as of now on the new gen bike outdoors". But yeah.. They are basically saying the same lol

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It’s a common theme over the years, international riders tend to speak with a directness that is often misinterpreted in the US.

Yeah, but the issue is, he is directly WRONG. There is no way the bike or team are this bad. He either doesn't know how to set up a bike, is extremely out of shape, or is an extreme headcase, or a combination of the three. I'm cool with riders being direct, but it's also pretty obvious to me that he is wrong in thinking none of the blame is on him. He's just as responsible as the bike/team are.

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7/19/2025 11:36am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2025 11:36am
tomlopez wrote:
Frankly, cultural differences or behind-the-scenes happenings make no difference to me at this point... Prado comes across as an entitled whiner. I straight-up don't like him...

Frankly, cultural differences or behind-the-scenes happenings make no difference to me at this point... Prado comes across as an entitled whiner. I straight-up don't like him after the way he's handled adversity this season. I know, it doesn't matter, nobody cares what one random fan thinks. But, I think many other American fans feel the same, which won't help his case for gaining a fanbase over here going forward.

I think if he starts winning, or at least running upfront, fans will come back around and forget all this. I’m sure he’s just frustrated with how things are going and maybe these kinds of interviews are his way of putting pressure on the team to make bigger changes for him. It’s well known that Kawasaki is quite conservative in terms of bike setup. I hope Jorge and his team can get it figured out, having another fast guy in the mix is always positive and I have no doubt in my mind that he can at least run podium speed if he’s at his best.

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Jorge is letting his ego get in his way. He hasn't accepted the fact that all these guys are really good and there is a phenom on the track.

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Mavetism wrote:
Maybe it was the delivery by Prado. He isn't sugar coating anything, that's for sure. Saying "I'm not doing anything wrong, I know what I'm capable...

Maybe it was the delivery by Prado. He isn't sugar coating anything, that's for sure. Saying "I'm not doing anything wrong, I know what I'm capable off" just sounds more rough than Tomacs "We are not feeling that good as of now on the new gen bike outdoors". But yeah.. They are basically saying the same lol

CPR wrote:

It’s a common theme over the years, international riders tend to speak with a directness that is often misinterpreted in the US.

tomlopez wrote:
Yeah, but the issue is, he is directly WRONG. There is no way the bike or team are this bad. He either doesn't know how to...

Yeah, but the issue is, he is directly WRONG. There is no way the bike or team are this bad. He either doesn't know how to set up a bike, is extremely out of shape, or is an extreme headcase, or a combination of the three. I'm cool with riders being direct, but it's also pretty obvious to me that he is wrong in thinking none of the blame is on him. He's just as responsible as the bike/team are.

In his interviews he keeps telling that I'm waiting for the team to deliver and the team is sending engines over night across US to test them. 

It could be so freaking simple to as "I need X torque and Y HP at Z RPM to be able to ride it the way i want it". 

After engine is done you start fiddle with chassis and suspension since it useless before if you are so down on power.

So Jorge should be in the garage working on the engine, maybe on the CNC machine? 😂🙄

Give Tomac Herlings engine setup and see Tomac call off the rest of his career within 2 laps. Engine setup are deeply connected to riders style, as much as chassi and suspension.

Febvre has what, 5-6 holeshots from 39 opportunities this year so he and the bike isnt exactly setting the world on fire. Even Phil up in Canada need more power and he has no restrictions on where to send the engine it sounds like, still not solved with 3 races left in his season.

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3 mins into moto one throwing the anchor and looking back. No way he should not have made that pass stick on Tomac. 

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So Mitchell Harrison is running 10th on a non factory Kawi. Beating 30 other riders, many not on a green bike. Maybe the KX isn't so bad?

Over 30 seconds behind the leader halfway thru the moto, wtf? Maybe it's as simple as, he just can't handle the pace of the top guys on our tracks. I question his fitness as well. The bike set up may not be perfect but he should be faster, no question.

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With Prado’s results being a disappointment, why would they not let him set the bike up any way he might want it? That sounds ridiculous!

joshd wrote:

You have not worked with engineers I see. 

Actually I have. The question is are they at the track on race day calling the shots? I have no idea, but if they are that’s...

Actually I have. The question is are they at the track on race day calling the shots? I have no idea, but if they are that’s ridiculous unless safety is involved. Prado or any rider for that matter are the ones riding the bike and should be able to make the adjustments they want on race day.

Have you considered the idea that what’s needed might not be a matter of an adjustment that can be made trackside, but perhaps something that involves signoff at the highest levels?

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So Mitchell Harrison is running 10th on a non factory Kawi. Beating 30 other riders, many not on a green bike. Maybe the KX isn't so...

So Mitchell Harrison is running 10th on a non factory Kawi. Beating 30 other riders, many not on a green bike. Maybe the KX isn't so bad?

Over 30 seconds behind the leader halfway thru the moto, wtf? Maybe it's as simple as, he just can't handle the pace of the top guys on our tracks. I question his fitness as well. The bike set up may not be perfect but he should be faster, no question.

That track is a copy of Matterly where MxON was in dirt and prepp. Little tighter. 

Jett, Hunter, Eli, Gajser, Prado was all running the same laptimes there over a full weekend, 9 months ago.

Did you hear the 1 degree comment? Was a good comparison with how sensitive they all are with bike setup. 

You can't compare a 10th place guys setup to these guys. Tomac was a tenth place guy on last week's failed setup. Today he was second.

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Let's analyze every races were Jett and Jorge did together before this outdoor season : 2022 MXON race 3, Red Bud Jorge starts in 4th, takes 3rd in...

Let's analyze every races were Jett and Jorge did together before this outdoor season : 

2022 MXON race 3, Red Bud 

Jorge starts in 4th, takes 3rd in lap 4 after Ferrandis crash, passed by Jett in lap 5, by Seewer and Ferrandis in lap 7 and Tomac in lap 9 to finish 7th. 

Jett starts 6th, get 5th in lap 4 after Dylan's crash, pass Jorge and Seewer in lap 5, he also pass Sexton in lap 9 to finish second. 

Despite starting in front of Jett, Jorge finishes 57.666 seconds behind him, and his fastest lap is 2.366 seconds slower. 

2023 MXON Ernée 

Free practice : Jorge is 2nd with a 1.46.297 while Jett is 5th with a 1.46.642, Jorge is 0.345 seconds faster. 

Qualifying race : Jorge starts in front and wins the race. Jett starts in 7th and pass Plessinger in lap 4, Gajser in lap 8, Febvre in lap 9, Roczen and Seewer in lap 10 to finish 2nd 4.376 seconds down on Jorge. Jorge's fastest lap is 0.248 seconds faster than Jett's. Very good race from both, Jorge takes the win but Jett shows his faster by coming back through the pack to almost get Jorge. 

Race 1 : Jorge does the holeshot, get passed by Febvre in lap 6, got him back in lap 15 and is passed again in lap 17 to get 2nd, 2.320 seconds down on Febvre and 23.846 seconds down on Roczen. 

Jett has a crash at the starts and come from last to 6th, passing Coenen, Hampshire and Pancar in lap 3, Adamo and Tonus in lap 4, Talviku and Mc Lellan in lap 5, Vlaanderen and Watson in lap 6, Laengenfelder and Forato in lap 9, Jonass and Hunter in lap 10, De Wolf in lap 11, Geerts in lap 14, Vialle in lap 16 and Gajser in lap 18 to finish 6th. 

Jorge has a gap of 31.517 seconds on Jett and his fastest lap is 1.110 second faster.
Again, the point goes to Jorge here, but they had 2 very different races and Jett probably has the most impressive performance here. 

Race 3 : Jett starts in 2nd and pass Roczen for the lead in lap 8 to win the race with a 7.295 seconds margin. Jorge starts in 4th and finish at the same spot, 12.854 seconds down on Jett. Not a huge gap at the end (even though Jett managed the gap which went up to around 25 seconds over Jorge at one point), Jett's fastest lap is a 1.49.391, 1.829 seconds faster than Jorge's. First time they really starts close to each other and have clear racing. Jett wins this one by a good shot. 

2024 MXON race 3 

Jorge starts in 2nd and passes Tomac for the lead in lap 1 before getting passed again in lap 2. He then got passed by Tim in lap 4, Hunter and Jett in lap 5, Herlings in lap 8, Febvre in lap 9, Seewer in lap 11 and he shuffled back 7th position in lap 12 after a pit stop, and finally gained another position thanks to Febvre crash. 

Jett starts further, pass Herlings and Seewer in lap 1, Roczen in lap 2, Jorge in lap 5, Hunter in lap 8, Tomac in lap 10 and Gajser in lap 14 before being passed again by Tim in lap 16. 

Despite starting 7-8 places behing Jorge, Jett finishes with a gap of 1 minutes and 53 seconds over Jorge, their fastest laps are only seperated by 0.079 seconds though. 

I would say I have yet to see the best of Jorge beating the best of Jett, yet.
 

This is a good analysis. A couple observations. 

First,  '22 was a year Jorge was not feeling good on the Gas Gas. 

Second, in th  '24 MXON Jorge was one week removed from clinching a season long close batle with Gajser. And although they didn't race head to head in qualifying Jorge won the qualifier easily over Hunter and AP. 

Finally,  the most notable point is that currently he's struggling to beat Guillod. No disrespect to Guillod but that simply has never been the case is the GPs. 

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You have not worked with engineers I see. 

Actually I have. The question is are they at the track on race day calling the shots? I have no idea, but if they are that’s...

Actually I have. The question is are they at the track on race day calling the shots? I have no idea, but if they are that’s ridiculous unless safety is involved. Prado or any rider for that matter are the ones riding the bike and should be able to make the adjustments they want on race day.

Have you considered the idea that what’s needed might not be a matter of an adjustment that can be made trackside, but perhaps something that involves...

Have you considered the idea that what’s needed might not be a matter of an adjustment that can be made trackside, but perhaps something that involves signoff at the highest levels?

Since they are sending engines across country for testing it's not something you just fix at the track.

For durability, maybe they are a bit ahead from what we are seeing now. That they have a setup or two being durability tested as we speak before making it into Prado's bikes. 

Can't imagine a factory team throwing in stuff directly into their stars bikes, that hasn't been tested for a couple of 4h sessions or something beforehand.

Even before he gets it for practise they probably need to test it live and not just on a Dyno?

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Let's analyze every races were Jett and Jorge did together before this outdoor season : 2022 MXON race 3, Red Bud Jorge starts in 4th, takes 3rd in...

Let's analyze every races were Jett and Jorge did together before this outdoor season : 

2022 MXON race 3, Red Bud 

Jorge starts in 4th, takes 3rd in lap 4 after Ferrandis crash, passed by Jett in lap 5, by Seewer and Ferrandis in lap 7 and Tomac in lap 9 to finish 7th. 

Jett starts 6th, get 5th in lap 4 after Dylan's crash, pass Jorge and Seewer in lap 5, he also pass Sexton in lap 9 to finish second. 

Despite starting in front of Jett, Jorge finishes 57.666 seconds behind him, and his fastest lap is 2.366 seconds slower. 

2023 MXON Ernée 

Free practice : Jorge is 2nd with a 1.46.297 while Jett is 5th with a 1.46.642, Jorge is 0.345 seconds faster. 

Qualifying race : Jorge starts in front and wins the race. Jett starts in 7th and pass Plessinger in lap 4, Gajser in lap 8, Febvre in lap 9, Roczen and Seewer in lap 10 to finish 2nd 4.376 seconds down on Jorge. Jorge's fastest lap is 0.248 seconds faster than Jett's. Very good race from both, Jorge takes the win but Jett shows his faster by coming back through the pack to almost get Jorge. 

Race 1 : Jorge does the holeshot, get passed by Febvre in lap 6, got him back in lap 15 and is passed again in lap 17 to get 2nd, 2.320 seconds down on Febvre and 23.846 seconds down on Roczen. 

Jett has a crash at the starts and come from last to 6th, passing Coenen, Hampshire and Pancar in lap 3, Adamo and Tonus in lap 4, Talviku and Mc Lellan in lap 5, Vlaanderen and Watson in lap 6, Laengenfelder and Forato in lap 9, Jonass and Hunter in lap 10, De Wolf in lap 11, Geerts in lap 14, Vialle in lap 16 and Gajser in lap 18 to finish 6th. 

Jorge has a gap of 31.517 seconds on Jett and his fastest lap is 1.110 second faster.
Again, the point goes to Jorge here, but they had 2 very different races and Jett probably has the most impressive performance here. 

Race 3 : Jett starts in 2nd and pass Roczen for the lead in lap 8 to win the race with a 7.295 seconds margin. Jorge starts in 4th and finish at the same spot, 12.854 seconds down on Jett. Not a huge gap at the end (even though Jett managed the gap which went up to around 25 seconds over Jorge at one point), Jett's fastest lap is a 1.49.391, 1.829 seconds faster than Jorge's. First time they really starts close to each other and have clear racing. Jett wins this one by a good shot. 

2024 MXON race 3 

Jorge starts in 2nd and passes Tomac for the lead in lap 1 before getting passed again in lap 2. He then got passed by Tim in lap 4, Hunter and Jett in lap 5, Herlings in lap 8, Febvre in lap 9, Seewer in lap 11 and he shuffled back 7th position in lap 12 after a pit stop, and finally gained another position thanks to Febvre crash. 

Jett starts further, pass Herlings and Seewer in lap 1, Roczen in lap 2, Jorge in lap 5, Hunter in lap 8, Tomac in lap 10 and Gajser in lap 14 before being passed again by Tim in lap 16. 

Despite starting 7-8 places behing Jorge, Jett finishes with a gap of 1 minutes and 53 seconds over Jorge, their fastest laps are only seperated by 0.079 seconds though. 

I would say I have yet to see the best of Jorge beating the best of Jett, yet.
 

This is a good analysis. A couple observations. First,  '22 was a year Jorge was not feeling good on the Gas Gas. Second, in th  '24 MXON Jorge...

This is a good analysis. A couple observations. 

First,  '22 was a year Jorge was not feeling good on the Gas Gas. 

Second, in th  '24 MXON Jorge was one week removed from clinching a season long close batle with Gajser. And although they didn't race head to head in qualifying Jorge won the qualifier easily over Hunter and AP. 

Finally,  the most notable point is that currently he's struggling to beat Guillod. No disrespect to Guillod but that simply has never been the case is the GPs. 

Prado also said he was testing bike setup for 2025 for the team during MXoN, he wasn't on his 2024 championship setting. He said that held him back some.

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So Mitchell Harrison is running 10th on a non factory Kawi. Beating 30 other riders, many not on a green bike. Maybe the KX isn't so...

So Mitchell Harrison is running 10th on a non factory Kawi. Beating 30 other riders, many not on a green bike. Maybe the KX isn't so bad?

Over 30 seconds behind the leader halfway thru the moto, wtf? Maybe it's as simple as, he just can't handle the pace of the top guys on our tracks. I question his fitness as well. The bike set up may not be perfect but he should be faster, no question.

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That track is a copy of Matterly where MxON was in dirt and prepp. Little tighter. Jett, Hunter, Eli, Gajser, Prado was all running the same laptimes...

That track is a copy of Matterly where MxON was in dirt and prepp. Little tighter. 

Jett, Hunter, Eli, Gajser, Prado was all running the same laptimes there over a full weekend, 9 months ago.

Did you hear the 1 degree comment? Was a good comparison with how sensitive they all are with bike setup. 

You can't compare a 10th place guys setup to these guys. Tomac was a tenth place guy on last week's failed setup. Today he was second.

Yep! Amazing how quickly the fast guys figure out bike set up. 

Kawi and Prado have been working on it non stop according to those in the know. You can't keep blaming the bike. Hell, Barcia beat him!

I think this year for him is throw away. Hopefully he gets it figured out next year. We need more guys battling up front. I'm very curious to see how Sexton does on the KX if he ends up on Kawasaki.

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Indy mxer wrote:
So Mitchell Harrison is running 10th on a non factory Kawi. Beating 30 other riders, many not on a green bike. Maybe the KX isn't so...

So Mitchell Harrison is running 10th on a non factory Kawi. Beating 30 other riders, many not on a green bike. Maybe the KX isn't so bad?

Over 30 seconds behind the leader halfway thru the moto, wtf? Maybe it's as simple as, he just can't handle the pace of the top guys on our tracks. I question his fitness as well. The bike set up may not be perfect but he should be faster, no question.

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That track is a copy of Matterly where MxON was in dirt and prepp. Little tighter. Jett, Hunter, Eli, Gajser, Prado was all running the same laptimes...

That track is a copy of Matterly where MxON was in dirt and prepp. Little tighter. 

Jett, Hunter, Eli, Gajser, Prado was all running the same laptimes there over a full weekend, 9 months ago.

Did you hear the 1 degree comment? Was a good comparison with how sensitive they all are with bike setup. 

You can't compare a 10th place guys setup to these guys. Tomac was a tenth place guy on last week's failed setup. Today he was second.

Indy mxer wrote:
Yep! Amazing how quickly the fast guys figure out bike set up. Kawi and Prado have been working on it non stop according to those in the...

Yep! Amazing how quickly the fast guys figure out bike set up. 

Kawi and Prado have been working on it non stop according to those in the know. You can't keep blaming the bike. Hell, Barcia beat him!

I think this year for him is throw away. Hopefully he gets it figured out next year. We need more guys battling up front. I'm very curious to see how Sexton does on the KX if he ends up on Kawasaki.

You do know Tomac and Chase literally is working on bike setup last week's after 3 years on the bike. Still not there according to them.

Maybe Chase is there after today. Tomac for sure not.

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7/19/2025 1:59pm Edited Date/Time 7/19/2025 1:59pm

Honestly, Prado shouldn't make any excuses. When he announced the switch to Kawi, he said in a podcast, he picked Kawi because of how much he liked the bike and how much better than it was than a KTM/GasGas. So it's on him if he's suddenly switching up his perspective.

 

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You have not worked with engineers I see. 

Actually I have. The question is are they at the track on race day calling the shots? I have no idea, but if they are that’s...

Actually I have. The question is are they at the track on race day calling the shots? I have no idea, but if they are that’s ridiculous unless safety is involved. Prado or any rider for that matter are the ones riding the bike and should be able to make the adjustments they want on race day.

Have you considered the idea that what’s needed might not be a matter of an adjustment that can be made trackside, but perhaps something that involves...

Have you considered the idea that what’s needed might not be a matter of an adjustment that can be made trackside, but perhaps something that involves signoff at the highest levels?

No I haven’t, but that’s a fantastic point and it’s as possible as anything else. 👍🏻💯

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