Is stark varg dying off

Im still loving mine....The series that I race I am the only one though. Practice days at the track there is a few around.

They charge pretty quick on 240v. If your lugging around a generator I'd hope it would be 240v. 

Right, so now he just has to pony up $4500 for a honda eu7000 (any non inverter type of 240 generator is too loud to run in the pits), then load and unload that 263lb unit into the bed of the truck each time he rides. 

Decent generators are far less than that and you'll spend way more in gas, top end, oil, etc over the life of the bike.  As far as time to charge, most riders wont ride long enough to drain the battery in moto and then rest long enough for it to charge plenty.  Regardless of the argument, it can work either way if that's what someone prefers.  There are benefits and drawbacks to both.

I hadn't seen one before your post that had 240 and was that compact and affordable so I'll give you that, good tip! However it still doesn't change the fact that the bike has range issues. If we want to do a 40mi trail ride, the Stark isn't an option. 

Curious if anyone has noticed drop off in range after a while? I'd be scared to buy used one until this is established. For years we've been told that new battery tech could be fully charged and drained all the time and it didn't matter, now every new phone has settings to prevent exactly that. Makes me wonder.....

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So Stark sold about 1400 bikes in April only (with 15% EBITDA margin).

@8500rpm is right, Alta sold 1000 bikes in 3 years, Stark sales are on a different scale, more like 1000 bikes each month.

Can't be that far off from any OEM 450 sales, anyone in the know?

BTW, anyone seeing more Triumphs than Vargs at the tracks?

Variety is the spice of life indeed, find a bike (or bikes) you like and enjoy.

I have 3 friends that all bought within the last 4 months. They all love them so far. 🤷‍♂️

Think of how many public tracks and private home tracks have been shut down due to noise. 

And lets jump 30 years into the future, hypothetically saying everything is electric. 
We all know that there are people out there that absolutely hate seeing people have fun that would still try to shut a track down. 

 

yea, sounds great on trail ride camping weekend

That is a very generous estimate. Highly unlikely they are selling 12,000 units a year. 

Yea I have to agree on the swappable battery, that would be huge for now while were waiting on battery technology to catch up. It feels like were right on the cusp of soo many breakthroughs, but the damn batteries havent kept up as promised and are holding everything back. 

The e-vtol market (basically “flying cars or taxis”), even the ev car market, the electric dirt bike market, electric airplanes, drone delivery, all the way down to your iphone or apple watch STILL having shitty battery life, and the augmented reality glasses… are all being held back by shitty battery tech. Solid state batteries were supposed to be here by now and will change the world. I’m sure its not helping that in the US were heading in the opposite direction on battery/renewable tech. Its good that a lot of companies already exist and will be ready to adopt the new battery tech when it comes, but if it takes too long they could go under. So hopefully its sooner than later.

The range isn't great but it also depends on the type of riding. Tighter techy single track you could absolutely get a 40 mile ride. I've done 35 miles with 40% battery left....techy single track though. Fast paced trails 30-35 miles is the current limit. Which is fine for alot of people honestly. Moto with a generator you can rip all day. 

Most review I’ve seen on them are favorable. 

I can count the number of Triumphs I've seen at the track on one hand. And I personally know one guy who's 450 blew up under 10hrs

Had mine 1 year now, besides couple software issues first month, no problems since. Vet rider- Sacramento area tracks.  I can ride as much as I want or can handle- descent shape for an old guy. I normally do 25” motos- battery down to 50-60%. I rest - plug into my 999$ 240 V charger. 1%|min- maybe 25” rest- battery up to 75-85%, repeat for 3-4 motos. Sand track requires a more battery- longer rests depending on how strong 😝 I am riding. Bike is awesome- yes more battery/ efficiency without weight gain would be nice. My 450 stays parked in garage. The AMA who represents manufacturers- not riders are trying to sabotage electric. I smile more/ more fun on the Stark. Hose it off/ oil chain, slow charge till next ride; rinse and repeat. Every vet rider should have one. Flux suppose to launch in  26’- competition and choice will up the game. I hope they work together and make a race series- allowing all- that actually respects the riders. A privateer racing the whole year on the same motor/ bigger payouts. With increased track fees/ gas- offset it with less equipment costs. For me choice is easy, but moto community is resistant to change good and bad. 10,000$ for Stark/ 1000$ generator. Easy maintenance, no performance mods needed. BTW love the Stark on the trails- quietly cruising single track a 🤩 experience. 

There has been an uptick in Starks for sale used in my area (Australia) most adverts say: “Have the road registrable (EX) model on order”.
My good friend has one. His KTM300 doesn’t get ridden anymore.

I believe, in Australia, they have a feature that sets the output to agreed limits (for a fixed period) that allows them to race against 250Fs or 450Fs. I think they might be up the pointy end in Vets classes, but haven’t seen them feature in any pro results.

Why haven’t MXA tested one? - they would sure tell it how it is. Best include it in the 450 shootout. (With actual scales and dyno.)

I always enjoy the Stark topic.  The same guys that think electric (bikes, cars, etc) are a fad are the same guys that called cell phones a fad.  And the internet a fad, and email a fad.  And now they think AI and Stark Vargs are a fad.  Maybe they should start a hedge fund with their amazing insight into the future.

And dump their fortune (and yours) into BetaMax.

I definitely see more stark than triumph in my area. I rode one for the first time two weeks ago and was blown away by how good it felt on the track. I didn't get arm pump like I almost always do because my technique and posture were much better than on a gas bike because I had a lot less thing to mess with. I also think that they are an awesome bike for beginners like my friend who has one. She can set the power to 20-25hp and not whiskey throttle herself into oblivion. Then as she gets better and more confortable, she can tune it to more hp. When I got done riding the bike, my first thought was ''well, I think the new gas bike I just bought might be the last one''. I think the bike is really an option only if you ride mostly on medium to hard pack track tho. Anything sandy and loamy and the battery just drains way to quickly.

A lot of the race series around here aren’t AMA sanctioned so you shouldn’t have any issues for the most part, when I did the MMX stadiumcross race a few weeks ago they let me run it in the 450 class and all was well.  

As far as Stark dying off?  I don’t think so.  I’ve seen more at local tracks than I ever have (still a small number, but appears to be growing).  It’s not my go-to bike for everything but for purely racing it’s not even a contest, I’m loading my Stark every time.  

We weren’t talking about trail riding…… the bike is not made for camping weekends riding multiple days. 

Had one. Sold it. Suspension was quite stiff, but got that sorted and was an amazing bike. Made it feel like going back to a steam engine when going back and forth between my KTM and the Stark. I didn’t sell it for any reasons regarding performance, I sold several bikes and vehicles in the last year. Thought maybe I’d ride moto more if I had it. In reality, I’m too busy right now. I think the only people that dislike them just haven’t rode one yet or don’t know what is good on a moto track? Very fun, very cool to change power modes and engine braking. It’s just a matter of time before all AX/SX/MX is rampant with e-bikes.

I’m not focused on moto the last ten years. I’ve been raising kids, riding single track and a couple off road races lately. I kept one plated bike that’s a good all around deal.

I just purchased an EX today. My riding buddy purchased his last week. 

I’d say they’re doing just fine thanks to us  

I own one but don't really ride it anymore. As most have said the pure riding part of one is amazing. But for anyone who wants to ride alot or rides softer dirt they just can't keep up.

I really think stark missed the boat by not making them quick swappable batteries. For me it couldn't be the only bike I ride during the day as I was always waiting for it to charge. And swapping back and forth with petrol bike was too different and was actually hurting my riding. 

I've committed back to petrol and loving riding more than ever. For now the stark is a dust collector in the back of my shed 🤣

I’m in a stage of life where riding has really taken a back seat in my priorities. So I can’t justify spending that amount of coin on a stark. But if/when I get fired up about riding again, I’m getting a stark. After riding my buddies Stark, my 250 2 stroke felt like total garbage. lol. Less engine maintenance is also a huge plus for me. 

just think how many would be sold if the politics of it all weren't in play?

until the folks that have warehouses full of dirt bikes waiting to be sold have them gone, then magically

we will see those same folks "unavailing" their new and improved sparky machine. 

then walla we will see a "new change" in the sport.  LOL funny this time it's not "forced" like the 4 strokes, it's a choice.

we have 3 surrons and a stark here along with a crap load of other machines.  the surrons get the most time as the batteries can be swapped in under a minute. put about an hour on hours today actually.

 now Ultra Bee's are no comparison to a stark but for general use they work great.

myself i still ride / race my Built 500.  and will til i can't hold on.  But this sport has it's powers to be, and Stark like alta didn't check with those folks on a time line to be allowed.  

There are a bunch of Starks around here and they mostly practice and hit a race here and there but only in an E bike class.   

Stark are in a  terrible position and they know that.

The reason why they are pushing so hard to enter competition of any form because they know that will make their bikes sell.

The reason why they are trouble is because when the time comes that e bikes are allowed race will be the time japanese bikes will have e bikes to offer which the consumer will purchase them instead of a stark.

I’m usually the lone Triumph at the track. More often than not I see a couple Starks there. 

I definitely want to get one at some point. Just not in the cards right now since I picked up my TF250X in March. 

I see as many of these as I see cobras, as said it’s a niche brand