Ktm shuts down production.....again

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5/7/2025 1:48pm
mx317 wrote:

Rotax engines in KTMs? Which ones?

KTM-504MXC-83-09 0

I remembered those, but the article reads like it was recent.

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5/7/2025 1:49pm Edited Date/Time 5/7/2025 1:49pm

BRP buys the assets out of liquidation, re-brands the bikes as Can-Am, and sells the KTM brand name to Stark. KTM Vargs coming, stamp it.

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5/7/2025 1:54pm Edited Date/Time 5/7/2025 1:54pm

Anyone know the Austrian-German word for clusterf**k?

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5/7/2025 2:07pm
GrapeApe wrote:

BRP buys the assets out of liquidation, re-brands the bikes as Can-Am, and sells the KTM brand name to Stark. KTM Vargs coming, stamp it.

You think Stark has that sort of cash lmao

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5/7/2025 2:15pm
ksithumper wrote:

Anyone know the Austrian-German word for clusterf**k?

Fahrvergnügen???

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5/7/2025 2:15pm
ksithumper wrote:

Anyone know the Austrian-German word for clusterf**k?

IDK...something along the lines of totale schliebe or scheibe...can't recall. 

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For those asking this is what AI just shared.....
 
“What’s the Austrian-German word for clusterfk?”**
Well, here’s the closest translation I’ve got after some digging:
"Des is a rechter Saustall – a totaler Klusterfukk!"
(“That’s a proper pigsty — a total clusterf**k!”)
It's got the local flair, a dose of reality, and the frequency to match what’s unfolding over in Mattighofen.
When systems and frequencies collapse, even the language scrambles to keep up.

 
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5/7/2025 2:29pm Edited Date/Time 5/7/2025 2:36pm
GrapeApe wrote:

BRP buys the assets out of liquidation, re-brands the bikes as Can-Am, and sells the KTM brand name to Stark. KTM Vargs coming, stamp it.

You think Stark has that sort of cash lmao

1. The KTM brand name would have no value at that point

2. Your sarcasm detector sucks

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5/7/2025 2:36pm

Ahhhh, it seems like only yesterday RacerX and KTM USA were saying "IT'S FINE" "DOES NOT EFFECT US".  

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5/7/2025 2:50pm
mx317 wrote:

Rotax engines in KTMs? Which ones?

endurox wrote:

pre1988

mx317 wrote:

That's what I was thinking also.

1988 KTM LC4 | Tony Blazier | Flickr

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5/7/2025 3:40pm
Dsigner wrote:

Ahhhh, it seems like only yesterday RacerX and KTM USA were saying "IT'S FINE" "DOES NOT EFFECT US".  

Is RacerX really considered credible anymore?

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Dsigner wrote:

Ahhhh, it seems like only yesterday RacerX and KTM USA were saying "IT'S FINE" "DOES NOT EFFECT US".  

They were referring to the race team budget for 2025, and that was accurate. 

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5/7/2025 3:59pm
ksithumper wrote:

Anyone know the Austrian-German word for clusterf**k?

pummel wrote:

Fahrvergnügen???

Now that's funny, right there. I don't care who you are. 

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5/7/2025 4:29pm
Dsigner wrote:

Ahhhh, it seems like only yesterday RacerX and KTM USA were saying "IT'S FINE" "DOES NOT EFFECT US".  

joshd wrote:

Is RacerX really considered credible anymore?

I think they lost credibility quite a while ago, sorry to say. 

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5/7/2025 4:57pm
ksithumper wrote:

Anyone know the Austrian-German word for clusterf**k?

Clusterfick

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5/7/2025 5:46pm
Dsigner wrote:

Ahhhh, it seems like only yesterday RacerX and KTM USA were saying "IT'S FINE" "DOES NOT EFFECT US".  

joshd wrote:

Is RacerX really considered credible anymore?

500 Mike wrote:

I think they lost credibility quite a while ago, sorry to say. 

Their web pages such a cluster f*** I can't even handle looking at it used to go there everyday not anymore and they won't do anything about it🤷‍♂️

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5/7/2025 6:50pm
Dsigner wrote:

Ahhhh, it seems like only yesterday RacerX and KTM USA were saying "IT'S FINE" "DOES NOT EFFECT US".  

joshd wrote:

Is RacerX really considered credible anymore?

500 Mike wrote:

I think they lost credibility quite a while ago, sorry to say. 

The octopus

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The KTM brand is fine,  but it feels like investors and suppliers have no trust in the people guiding the ship.... and for good reason.     

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JB 19 wrote:
The KTM brand is fine,  but it feels like investors and suppliers have no trust in the people guiding the ship.... and for good reason.  ...

The KTM brand is fine,  but it feels like investors and suppliers have no trust in the people guiding the ship.... and for good reason.     

I feel like I kind of agree with you and at the same time kind of don’t know what you mean. 

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So when am I going to be able to buy 350sxf on closeout? When it all comes crashing down will dealers be free to unload whatever they have for whatever they want? 

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5/7/2025 7:23pm
JB 19 wrote:
The KTM brand is fine,  but it feels like investors and suppliers have no trust in the people guiding the ship.... and for good reason.  ...

The KTM brand is fine,  but it feels like investors and suppliers have no trust in the people guiding the ship.... and for good reason.     

I feel like I kind of agree with you and at the same time kind of don’t know what you mean. 

I'm basically saying you have to remove Pierre at the very least and probably his buddy he is now suing.  Restore investor confidence,  focus on dirt bikes and dirt bike racing.  Thr dirt bikes are good.  The brand is strong,  but people are tired of pouring money into the company only to see it squandered,  and then asked for more money.  

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5/8/2025 12:00am
ksithumper wrote:

Anyone know the Austrian-German word for clusterf**k?

pummel wrote:

Fahrvergnügen???

Fluggengiggenheimen???

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truck wrote:
So when am I going to be able to buy 350sxf on closeout? When it all comes crashing down will dealers be free to unload whatever...

So when am I going to be able to buy 350sxf on closeout? When it all comes crashing down will dealers be free to unload whatever they have for whatever they want? 

I’ll need another 350 as a parts bike. 

So, if KTM were to go away, will another manufacturer produce a 350 MX bike to try and capture that market? That would be a meaningful opportunity. Even the bean counters can’t ignore that potential sales. 

As for the brand. I think the product is generally very good, the management is a shit show. How that plugs into an equation that quantifies the brand I do not know. 

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5/8/2025 5:37am

Ive been around MX a long time and this teuly is one of, if not the, craziest happenings I can remember. I havent read the entire thread so if it is mentioned, my apologies. However, has anyone mentioned the possibility of Red Bull getting involved, in some fashion of rescue?  I mean they check a lot of boxes( Austrian, already involved, have a money printing machine).  I know there is a lot going on here and they are an energy drink company. Who knows, just a thought, but a curious one to me. 

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5/8/2025 5:51am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 5:52am
kzizok wrote:
Ive been around MX a long time and this teuly is one of, if not the, craziest happenings I can remember. I havent read the entire...

Ive been around MX a long time and this teuly is one of, if not the, craziest happenings I can remember. I havent read the entire thread so if it is mentioned, my apologies. However, has anyone mentioned the possibility of Red Bull getting involved, in some fashion of rescue?  I mean they check a lot of boxes( Austrian, already involved, have a money printing machine).  I know there is a lot going on here and they are an energy drink company. Who knows, just a thought, but a curious one to me. 

I  think that might have been a real possibility when the original owner / head of RB (well, one of - or was he the CEO?) was still alive.

But, with his - his name escapes me right now -  death, I think Red Bull is now much less driven by 'passion'.

You never know though, even the frightening owing's of KTM / the Pierer Group, would be like small change to RB, I think.

5/8/2025 6:09am
kzizok wrote:
Ive been around MX a long time and this teuly is one of, if not the, craziest happenings I can remember. I havent read the entire...

Ive been around MX a long time and this teuly is one of, if not the, craziest happenings I can remember. I havent read the entire thread so if it is mentioned, my apologies. However, has anyone mentioned the possibility of Red Bull getting involved, in some fashion of rescue?  I mean they check a lot of boxes( Austrian, already involved, have a money printing machine).  I know there is a lot going on here and they are an energy drink company. Who knows, just a thought, but a curious one to me. 

Bearuno wrote:
I  think that might have been a real possibility when the original owner / head of RB (well, one of - or was he the CEO?)...

I  think that might have been a real possibility when the original owner / head of RB (well, one of - or was he the CEO?) was still alive.

But, with his - his name escapes me right now -  death, I think Red Bull is now much less driven by 'passion'.

You never know though, even the frightening owing's of KTM / the Pierer Group, would be like small change to RB, I think.

The CEO was Dietrich Mateschitz, there were rumors of his son Mark Mateschitz offering Pierer Mobility a lifeline, but he denying it.

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