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This sport is a strange one
bogle on pings podcast talked about how damn near every ride he had was for bonuses only
I know a privateer that was making 50k a year (this was quite a few years ago)
I wouldn’t be shocked if some on your 50k list are making considerably less and others are making considerably more
Most are missing it. We arent talking about making a living. We are talking about trying to at least break even. Riders shouldnt have to pay an entry fee if they have their SX license, again Lebron doesnt have to buy a ticket to his games. And theyre also charging riders to park?
2.9 billion & we got more from NBC and some of yal folks goona sit up here & tell me these riders & teams can’t get more 🤔 get the hell outta here , some of yal are just as bad as the damn ufc zombies fans I gotta argue with on a daily , but its all love love tho 😂 soon or later yal goona wake up & stop being zombies to these damn promoters
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Ever seen the payouts for a mountain bike downhill national? Elite mens get €3,750 for a win. Junior categories (sometimes putting down race runs as fast as elites) don't even reach four digits.
There's a lot of 'shoulds' going on around here. In free market capitalism what customers pay for a product or service (in this case supercross riders) has everything to do with what the market dictates they're worth, not some 'should'. That someone 'should' make some arbitrary amount of money is the hallmark of a system of state socialism. The market (in the form of money paid by Feld) is clearly signaling to riders enough because people are showing up to race. Additionally, Feld is providing a service for these riders to gain exposure - that's where they make their money not from Feld's prize money. It's analogous when workers in a factory claim they're not making the money they 'should' be, when its the factory owners taking all the risk and also providing them with the place in the form of capital (machinary, tools, structures, buildings and so on) where they can work.
Why do you act/type like that
Golf. But the purses are huge because it’s a much more popular sport with tons of sponsorship money.
Feld is putting on a televised event, but not paying some of the performers, it's like putting on a circus and not feeding the elephants.
Very few cAn make a comfortable living from racing Mx/SX….been that way forever…. We are a niche sport of fools….what did Hannah used to say…… “ have daddy send more $”…..if you are good at kissing ass maybe an insider job with Ama,Feld or Mx sports can provide a better living, thats where the $ is going….
They do enough to keep them alive if they are lucky. How much did they pay the monkeys? Exact same business model for all their shows.
I wasn’t going to respond but you have compared Michael Hicks in SX to LeBron James in NBA twice now. They are not even remotely at the same level within their sport. Go to the lowest level dude in the NBA and yes I’ll bet you he is paying all sorts of fees LeBron doesn’t. LeBron is like our Tomac, I am sure Tomac in SX doesn’t pay any fee’s anywhere. Because he is the best and everyone wants him on their team.
Watch him last yr when he was on a Honda . He’s one of the most talented to ever ride a bike. He rides alot of bmx that helps in ax but sx is high speed much less technical tracks. If the tracks where more technical he would do much better in sx. He does the big money fair races or has like grays lake on the north side of Chicago. That race used to draw all the privateers between nationals . It doesn’t pay 1/2 of what it used too. I saw he did a big 125 race on a stock 02 cr125 . 1st yr in ax he raced with stock suspension no revalve , forced to skim the whoops . He made more money racing the GT ax . Last yr they dropped the purse money for the winners. If your not a top 5-8 450 guy pretty tough to hv 100k in savings for a season saved. U can make more money racing 50 a at red Bud , 55a even. A local could make 4,800 a week racing Lake Geneva & Byron iL. Fri & sun . Now u wouldn’t make 500 lake Geneva is gone & there is no full gates in A class. I,m surprised he didn’t race tge muddy creek 35k 2-st race yet. Good pay day & there’s a pro am the same weekend . A bunch of rich people start all these teams & just use the riders for there benefit. Remember the 90,s factory 125 contracts 16-25k I made 4 times that at the pipeline co & loved the variety of 500- 600 bucks just to buy cold turkey sandwiches from the flying j & water , scale tickets puts it ovr 600 a week.
Who was that one dude who posted here years ago asking where the “big money” races are? Maybe we could get a breakdown from him too?
What's odd is that he's making more money racing county fair races than what's supposed to be the the top of the sport.
This does not incentivize fast riders to go race at the top level, that's how we all lose. A proper federation (if not the promoters) should help their most promising riders showcase their talent on the national scene. Other federations have programs to nurture talents and some end up with their first pro ride part subsidized by the federation, then have a career on their own.
Phone is f,d up loved the variety of work . 500-600 a week on cheap cold food now. U can’t compare other sports to Mx. if it wasn’t for Pasha, AP7 & Pastrana there wouldn’t be a race that paid anything.
My nephew is going though this right now. He's a 21 year old 145lb savage, who's 5-0. His goal is to get a shot on the dana white contender series, and go from there. The thing is, he knows he'll make damn near nothing, until he actually "makes" it. Which of course is a huge if. But he's ok with that, and if by his mid later 20's it's not happening, he'll finish his electrical and start life.
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If I remember correctly, last week or the one before, Vital needed a quick fix for that awful lapper problem.
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My bad I forgot the guys who sit on the bench and never see the court have to pay entry. I'm trying to make a point that the guys in the show shouldnt gave to pay entry, if the payout is so bad, Im not arguing they should be making $100k, I'm saying they should be able to make more than $100 if they are the entertainment.
Good luck to him 👌🏾🫡 & I look forward in seeing his journey , as long as hes good with making weight , he’ll be fine 👍🏾
To me their worth is being able to earn enough to cover typical expenses and maybe even pocket $300 by placing 17 overall in the main. So, it looks like he's typically spending $1850 to $2600 each week he races. And with his finishes, which were not bad at all at the triple crown in Birmingham, maybe the payout could go up $1000 for riders who finish in that place. So, instead of his payout being $2080, it could be raised to $3080.00
Do we really think Feld would be affected much by raising those purses, for 15th on down, or especially 11th, on down for the mains by $1000 and actually allow the privateers to NOT lose money in expenses just to get to the races?
You're asking their worth?? really? Well, I guess if a privateer from say 13th or 14th place on down can't cover expenses, maybe they all stay home for 7 races of the year.
So in the 17 race season, only 10 races have a full gate and 7 of the races have 12 riders in the main.
Now tell me what their worth? Hell I would probably never go in person if I knew the Arlington race was one of the 7 that their would be 12 riders starting the main. To me, Feld could pay more and the privateers are worth it.
Covering expenses is difficult for sure with the current payout schedule, It's probably not going to change anytime soon. So the riders have to decrese those expenses, almost imossible to do, or get other people to help pay those expenses through either sponsorship dollars or products to keep them behind the gate.. How many of those complaining about the cost of racing are sending out resumes, making calls, networking to gain sponsorship dollars?
No rider that signed a contract to ride for a team - a company. Should ever hv to pay for flights , motel or other travel expenses. If the team or company can not afford to pay these expenses. They should not be allowed to compete. This needs to be in AMA pro racing rule book. Same thing as a job if I had to pay for my flights the day b4 I flew home on the worlds strongest hhg rig . It woukd hv eaten my 2,500-2,999 gross check . Race horse montality job u only hv a small window to make your money . A shorter time frame than a rider . Taking advantage of young people is pretty lame. But it’s in all professions blue or white collar jobs.
Except the riders have a choice to race in Feld’s series. The elephants don’t. Here’s a list of ways to earn more money instead of complaining that the current market conditions don’t favor your ideal payout figures.
1. Get faster
2. Race a different series/multiple series
3. Market yourself better
4. Invest in a skill set that has a higher earning potential than your current skill set.
Follow any one of those and you’ll get paid more. 100% success rate
Feld has a good business model, put on a show, but pay many of the performers nothing or next to nothing!
He should get more sponsors then
Soo bad get faster for one. If you think a Bark River bike is equal to a top teams bike , your on the best dope. It’s great the team helps out amateurs & pros but be realistic. How many top 3 starts they ever get ? Hicks won futures sx races yrs ago on stock bikes with terrible starts . Wayy under powered. If AX paid 558, 000 like in 98 he wouldn’t hv to race sx for peanuts. Sx has always had a thing of holding ax riders back. Look at Chad Johnson sitting in 3+ feet of snow he gets a call to ride Daytona . He finished 4th & no big team stepped up . He’s back racing & winning both motos of a 450a pro am . Probably the fastest 40.+ rider in the country.
Does it irk anyone in the least bit that the guy running the show is worth 2.5 billion dollars ?
Glad everyone here is going to bat for him though .
before you go yelling about socialism…..
How many of you saying the privateers dont deserve a raise are getting health and dental benefits from your work . Early quits. Side perks. Getting paid to do basically nothing.???
Be honest now .
Yeah he makes a ton of money off of Disney on ice always sold out shows. Along with wrestling & monster truck . In the winter I see & talk to there truck drivers . The country is way over polluted with ovr paid white collar workers . But now there being replaced by Eastern European people coming here with non stop flights. I,m gonna prove a point that I can make more racing a 04 cr125 . Than running 40+ hr day trucking In the northeast at .80 cpm .
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