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So where is the bike? All days are gone and nothing has come out.
It’s not being released til late 2025/ early 2026.
Maybe Kawasaki is hinting at something with the number plate in their ad???
Or maybe it's just Drew Adams' amateur number? 🤔
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Came straight from Broc Tickle himself 😂 look at how pathetically mad you are 💀
By the way, can you dig around and send a hint as to which frame is a go? I can live with either, but would prefer steel. I hope they at least test on truly rough tracks.
Sounds like they just tested on a private day at pala so unfortunately not a very rough track but I’ll definitely ask if they have a go on what they’re deciding.
I’m more interested in knowing what size 🤣
Broc Tickle himself, who like Notsuka (with his blurred photo), is under strict NDAs with this stuff? And if he were to talk to a homie, certainly should be smart enough to drop in a: "you didn't hear this from me, but..."
Sounds like you just bought Broc a visit from management. I bet they don’t want your information going public yet, if he’s a friend you might think about not blasting this news on a public forum.. not saying anything about if you’re right or wrong, I don’t know anything about Kawasakis plans, but I do know how to keep my friends out of trouble..
E start and counter balance have got to be mandatory imo. I like the yzs, just had two of them but after being on the 24 xc no way I can go back. I'm good with a carb or fuel injection they both are great. The 25 fi 250/300s rip.
I hope kawi hits this out of the park. More 2 stroke options are a great thing.
My guess is a 125, much bigger market and great transition bike from 85 or Super Mini. While a 300 has a very limited market.
KTM probably sells 4x more 300s than 125s and they are selling more 125s than anyone else.
Not sure where you are getting your stats from but a 125 would not be the most popular displacement. 250 or 300 would easily outsell a 125. That said hopefully they make both.
A KTM 300XC/XCW is $11.5k MSRP and the 125xc is $8.5k. I think we know there is not $3k difference in cost to manufacture a 300 vs a 125.
The issue I have with the Austrian 2T FI bikes is that they're locked and can't be adjusted by the person who just spent a small fortune to own the bike... unless they want to spend a few hundred dollars every time they want/need to make a change and send the ECU to a tuner. 🙄
I'm also concerned that if they do unlock them, they'll make the tuning app subscription based like they have with the 4T's - more cost for the owner. Also, they'll eventually stop supporting the platform, leaving the owner with an intentionally obsoleted machine. I've yet to have a problem updating my Keihins or Mikunis, even on bikes more than 40 years old. 👍
It seems like their 2T vision goes against what many find attractive about them - low cost and ease of maintenance. Keep those in the formula and it could be a winner.
Haha what? The 125 market is tiny compared to the 300.
Judging by the Kawasaki contingency program, they see big value in Harescrambles and Enduro, especially the amateur and Vet classes.
If that's the case, then a 300 is very likely as it's a popular tool for the job among that demographic.
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Of course there are pros and cons. After riding the tbi bike for a year I have not seen any reason to unlock and adjust anything. It runs great all the time. That's just been my experience though. Tsp offers a modual that can hook to the ecu and adjust maps, timing, fuel, air, and ignition if I wanted to play with it but have not seen any reason to. I'll add I jetted both my yzs with the jd kits and never touched them again either. The fueling is irrelevant to me just needs a button and a counter balance engine.
Not to stoke that flame but he runs 98 now. If not for the 2-stroke rumor mill, it'd be weird for them to run his old number in a new ad.
So, you're saying it's gonna be a KX98? 😁
Notice the question mark at the end of my post? One SWAG is as good as the next! 👍 I just find it entertaining to watch people read the tea leaves and try to interpret different things as symbolic. 😉 But that's their intention - leave 'em guessing and waiting for more.
It might very well be a clue that it's gonna be a 300... but it might indicate the weight of person who designed the ad! 😄
unless the ad was shot when he was still an am? of course Kawi is doing this all intentionally because they know it will get people talking.
I've never liked how Yamahas handle so I'm interested. I just have flashbacks to the 90's and remember broken frames, having to shim every motor mount and weird vibrations.
Those 300 Drew Adams photos were shot last year for the 2025 KX250 debut, so they were well before any talk of a two stroke. They have been kept on the Kawasaki webpage displaying the KX 250 as that is still the current model year. If someone can show where there is a two stroke ad with Drew and the 300 please post up a link.
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I'm hoping for 300 or higher, counterballanced setup. I could care less about having FI or a carb. The latest Austrian tbi bikes I have riden rip, just like the older carbed bikes. It would be nice if we got some more info soon.
There is no subscription required for the ktm tuning app. Once you buy the box that is it. There is a subscription for litpro functions just like any other litpro device.
Also you can buy a tunable ecu for the tbi bikes. GET and tsp sell them.
Dude that's awesome you are hanging it out there slicing through the pack cool video bro
I'm torn between simplicity, and new features. Having FI and starter require a whole mess of wires and a battery. After fighting an issue with a battery, I gained a re-appreciation for simplicity. A carb works just fine, and kicking a 2t is not an issue. I was wishing I could kick my 350 SXF...
Sorry, allow me to clarify; this is what I was referencing when I mentioned a subscription for the KTM system -
I suspect this is where the technology is headed (like MS has done with Windows - why sell it once when you can sell it every month? The customer pays for it whether they use it or not and hopefully they forget they have the auto-billed subscription.) and is eventually obsoleted intentionally, leaving the owner with a yet-to-be-determined situation.
As for the tunable ECU - yes, an aftermarket one can be purchased at an additional (and significant) cost. That makes my point about "low cost and ease of maintenance" - an already expensive bike requires significantly more money to perform mods that require little or no money on carbureted ones and likely won't appeal to most 2T purists. So, the question is: which philosphy will they embrace?
It's a "simple" fact - the more stuff there is, the more stuff there is to go wrong.
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