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My first account was clicked for discussing the Great Flu.....sure, my fault, it was against the rules. Though it is funny how many people on the "wrong side" of GuyBs view were the ones who got clicked and the opposing side got a pass. ...and here we are 5 years later on the right side of history.
2nd account clicked was for stating the use of an adblocker.
I cleared this account with ML, explaining my history here.
You get death or the sleepy sniff, your choice!
Would you care to elaborate on this statement. It makes no sense. I'm aware of the horseshit use of the saying recently...
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I don't know about that but this forum needs more slipdog. Your kid a pro yet?
He’s progressing well and starting to put it together but unfortunately he got Friese’d by another rider after passing him and ended up with a tibia plateau fracture 2 weeks ago so we’re out of action until late spring.He just turned13 so I was planning to take him to some of the bigger races this season.
The shop in the op is our home shop and a great group of people. Sucks this happened to them.
Sometimes people steal because they believe it's the only way them or their kids are going to eat that day.
It's always wrong, but it isn't always from someone being greedy, lazy, or not caring about the consequence to someone else.
In the bible, the penalty for theft was paying back something like double or more what was stolen.
But, to take someone's life for it is more than a bit extreme.
People are always more important than things.
I am aware. I was merely saying IF the penalty was death (which it isn't lawfully) then the thief would indeed have valued your property over their life.
Castle doctrine is more about defending one's self and family. A good example is that I can't shoot you in the back because you are getting in my car.
Stealing out of necessity is a misguided falsehood and still a sin. Ephesians 4:28
Read John 10:10 for cherry picking sake.
the old testament made allowances for poor people to take crops from farms they did not own to feed their families. stealing dirtbikes to make wheelieboyz videos is not quite the same thing, and unfortunately, the only thing most people of this inclination understand is violence. the goal isn't to hurt people, the goal is to keep people from being hurt because they understand there are boundaries and standards that all must abide by in order to maintain a functioning society. the rule of law makes it very clear what the consequences are. as far as innocent people being wrongly convicted, the jury system is the best system we have to mitigate this and we have diferent standards of proof for a reason. "it is better that a 1000 guilty go free than one innocent be wrongly convicted."
Radical, you and I agree on many things...
That said.... Ask Boomslang about how people are always more important than "things". Where he lives is being ravaged by rapists/murderers and thieves.
Check out his thread in non-moto to see pictures of friends and family and the aftermath of unchecked crime.
I won't shed a tear for animals like that.... actually, it's an insult to animals to label these scum as such.
Yes, farmers were instructed to leave some fruit on the trees, that the poor could eat.
I'm in favor of making it not worth it to steal, but also saying that capital punishment is a bit too harsh for theft.
people think nelson mandela "saved" south africa and it was happily ever after. unfortunately, the "human rights" media people don't care about white farmers very much, or pretty much any black on black crime, for that matter. people don't know that rhodesia was a first world country and now its starving. personal property rights go a looooong way in motivating productive people to be productive, for the benefit of everyone. if your land can be confiscated by the state or by the local gang, why the fuck would you bust your ass developing it? that's where the "people are more important than things" shit falls down. you have to safeguard personal rights or nothing gets done and then you have a shit hole with nothing to steal anyway.
You forgot the link to the thread in non-moto.
It's all bad, but Rapist/Murderers are on a different level than thieves, and I agree, unchecked crime is a huge problem, especially in CA the last several years.
I do believe in capital punishment, but not for theft at this level.
I'll check out that non-moto thread.
Tear them apart limb from limb with crf450s. Go full medieval.
Sacramento, shocking… what a worthless ****hole. God I couldn’t imagine living there again
I didn't mean to single you out. There were a few posts about death for stealing. I was responding to all of them.
And I stated that stealing is always wrong. My point is simply that people aren't always stealing because they're simply rotten to the core.
I agree 100%. What happens in South Africa right now is atrocious, and the media ignores it.
It's one of the places on this earth I will not visit. From what I've read, it is far too dangerous for everyone.
No worries. I didn't feel singled out. I was not offended. (I was a pro CoD4 through BO2 player. Nothing you say can offend me.)
I like to keep conversation open. I enjoy hearing all sides. You have life experiences that shape you. I respect your inputs.
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"if your land can be confiscated by the state or by the local gang, why the fuck would you bust your ass developing it?"
A great example of Risk versus Reward. Smart people tend to avoid that game when it's highly imbalanced.
This is the way.
Im on my 4th account. Every time he clipped me it was for posting in a wheelie boy bike theft thread
It starts with stealing and goes downhill from there. Look how bad things got within our own country the last few years. People walking in stores grabbing what they want and walking out....no threat of consequences. Now we have people pushing other people in front of trains and lighting them on fire. I don't want to break any rules in moto going too deep into this.... topic should probably be moved to non-moto at this point
Booms thread....see last page . https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Non-Moto,21/Most-Depressing-Thread-on-Vital,1379390?page=8 This is horrifying...this happens when crime is allowed to go unchecked.
Slow learner or glutton for punishment? 😁
This all started because of the 1st image I posted which was hyperbole. It's how many of us initially react to these reports.
Bottom line....we need the laws to be enforced and getting back to being tougher on crime.
Guyb reminds me of the kid that would remind the teacher that they didn't assign homework right before you leave for the weekend. He seemed likable when I first came to vital, but after a while he just became obnoxious. Not even saying he came after me, just watching his responses to others that crossed him, it was always cringe city.
In Florida the law states you can protect life and property of you and your neighbor with death. I don't want to ever shoot someone but if you are breaking into my house you die. If you are in my buildings same. I can't assume what your intentions are and won't risk my family assuming. Same if someone was stealing my animals. You have to know that if you are breaking in to someones property that you could die. Unfortunately some need to see the consequence to make others think twice when considering committing a crime. I target shoot on my land almost every week before supercross and my neighbors can hear my steel targets and they know I don't miss from 100 yards out. Lots of locked gates are for your safety not mine. I have lots of cams with motion detection and night vision. I will see you before you see me. No one has ever been prosecuted for this in Florida. If you shoot at an intruder and miss the cops have free training programs to help you not miss next time. They fully encourage it. There is an easy way to not get killed committing crime....don't commit crime. I didn't choose property over life, they did. Hope I am never put in the position to be traumatized by taking a life but better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I’m just stoked to see law enforcement getting in there and catching the thief/thieves. Far too often, here in California, we never hear ANYTHING about these events…because, NOTHING ever happens. So, believe it or not…this is progress.
I feel that I worked too hard to see some asshole that doesn't respect my efforts and just feels that they can walk off with anything of mine get a slap on the wrist. Meanwhile I need to come up with replacement money if my insurance doesn't measure up. I'm back to working and saving up all over again. Knowing there is another asshole out there planning to victimize someone like me or us I guess just doesn't sit well with me.
Death? No unless what they take is by force. I believe it should hurt though.
It's pretty simple for people. Don't steal shit and they don't have to worry about the repercussions, regardless of what they are. Being harder on crime isn't a bad thing. Death? Little much, but as stated. Cut their hand off? Why not. Don't steal and there's nothing to worry about.
To sum up: play stupid tricks, win stupid prizes.
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