SoCal track trend.

Are you talking about landings being higher or landings being steeper? Maybe real photos would help convey your point. 

1st drawing yes, those annoy the shit outta me

2nd gives slower guys an area to land on top 

3rd is just a double 

4th step down - personally I think Barona's lips are how jumps should be built, give or take 1 or 2

Is your point that there is some kind of "roller" involved, before or after the jump?

To me SoCal tracks look like Excite Bike tracks. Super wide, big jumps, and big bowl turns. They always look pretty smooth in the videos I see. I-5 with jumps. 

So basically everything but tabletops? I don't get the issue here

Thought for sure this was going to be about overwatering and ripping deep for that special Llynns prep👌

They are designed to kill beginners and shrink the sport.

These jumps are killing our sport. 

Once upon a time they used to be the other way around 😬

These look sweet.

Felt myself hit all 4

No offense, but those are very crude drawings.

Having said that, I hate jumps like those. 

Check out MXA’s new video of the klx230verse kx450 lap time test. Not a smooth 10 feet on the entire course 😭😭

All I see is boobs 

It's to make the jumps more exciting (dangerous) it's the only reason. There has to be a gap to fly over, and if you do you'll be rewarded with a nice safe smooth landing (if you do it right).  If you fly too far or not far enough ? Then you must be punished for your lack of skill and your penalty will be a harsh landing at best and possibly a trip over the bars.  I'm only interested in the type of gaps shown below.

You're far too old for her, unless you have a significant bank balance!

Hahahaha  with my bank account I'd have to settle for a rental

Visit  Colombia, that model right there rents for about 30 bucks an hour.  For 100 she'll spend all night with you and make you think she cares, Colombianas do that really well!

First two are like ..the same..you have to jump higher than the second jump...which takes skill to land on the downside...

Third ones just a double...just double it

Last one..it like a double with out a first jump..just hit it..

I like them drawings...

it’s true.

1st drawing reminds me of the cahuilla main track double that leads to the long uphill table. 

2nd drawing is fox raceway main and vet track, and LACR main all the way to the right by the stands.

3rd drawing LACR vet track double right before the step up.

4th drawing LACR vet track double jumping back down in to quarry, and Cahuilla vet track step down.

Those jumps are why i never cared for lacr's vet track and think it was unnecessarily dangerous 

Not sure what the problem is with these jumps?

I rode Barona for the first time in a while this past Saturday.  I'm a vet rider.

I had no problem with any of the jumps there, IMO they were all very safe with little penalty for coming up short.

There were about 150 riders there by my rough count, and I never saw a crash or serious incident all day.  

I understand that some riders who don't ride much see these kind of obsticles as intimidating, but local tracks have become more technical as bikes and riders evolve.  Here is a super easy triple on the Barona track, as you can see the third jump is low so when I clipped it, it was no big deal.

Yeah Barona has the safest layout around. Its much mellower then Fox main, Cahuilla main, Perris main, or Elsinore or LACRs main.

Is the point that the lip is abrupt and a longer lip that goes straight or has larger radius is better? Because if so I do agree with that, and a lot of places have cut down the lips somewhat.

If you don’t like jumps just go ride flat track. That sport exists for a reason. 

How do adult beginners learn to jump, if vet track jumps punish short landings?

This "sport" is idiotic not providing a path for new riders to enter at all ages.

to me glen helen is perfect...fast, natural hills and no make or break big jumps.  I actually get to ride the track with confidence, not have my stomach in my throat.  thats what attracted me to moto in the 70's.  

The vet track at Perris raceway is a perfect track for beginners and rusty vets to gain some confidence on jumps. 4 or 5 small doubles and a ski jump that is very forgiving. 

It’s almost like an advanced beginner track IMO, comparable to a green run in skiing.  Great dirt and excellent track management, and a mellow viibe. 

If I was teaching a beginner or shaking off the rust this is the track to start at.

Jumps don't bother me. What bothers me is manmade mud bog track prep.  

I like a rough track with berms, but I'm not "prepping for Lorettas" and don't need wall-to-wall ruts across the track to have fun.  I'll take a scary big double any day over 50 mph ruts.  Everyone's been shamed into the "that's the only way you get better" and is afraid to speak up.

Ride the kiddie track and work your way up to the Pro Track.

There’s plenty of tracks with very small/beginner friendly jumps/layouts.

Then you wanna come to another track and complain that the jumps are too big, then in turn those jumps get taken out/changed and the regular fast crowd has to go find somewhere else to ride.

You mean the steep vertical downside on the landings? 

Most commercial track don't allow full sized bikes on the "kiddie track"!

By the way, I'm not a beginner, but have seen many beginners struggle on Vet tracks, talking to them, they slow down for jumps because they don't want to land short, and don't have the confidence or experience to send it. Because the slow down, they create a higher speed differential than other riders, and become more of a hazard on the track.