Dunlop has ended all US tire production

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11/12/2024 3:09am
Pop Shmoke wrote:
Welp luckily there are still options for US made tires. Hoosier got into the mx tire business a few years ago and as a US company...

Welp luckily there are still options for US made tires. Hoosier got into the mx tire business a few years ago and as a US company their tires are made at their plymouth indiana continental plant. From the reviews I remember watching on them they seemed to be pretty good and for the ppl excited about the factory spec dunlops apparently hoosier has been selling factory spec tires from day 1. Then you have michelin which is a french brand but they have tire factories in 6 us states. Bridgestone is a japanese company but they also have factories in 9 different cities. So at least theres still some options to buy US made tires. 

Only Hoosier produces motorcycle tires here. All those other brands are producing car and truck tires at those plants. 

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11/12/2024 4:19am
UpTiTe wrote:
If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks.  Sure, corporate...

If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks. 

 Sure, corporate greed takes a bit of blame, but the American wage pushes it over the top. 

3strokemx wrote:

AM Motocross, made in USA, quality is as good or better than Fly, pants are $150-$200.

Pop Shmoke wrote:
Canvas is made in the US too. Actually Michael leib did an entire podcast talking about the production and how he was able to make it...

Canvas is made in the US too. Actually Michael leib did an entire podcast talking about the production and how he was able to make it work here and how he makes gear for some other companies as well. Was a pretty good listen. 

Do you know which pod?

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Dunlop is owned by the Japanese company Sumitomo, they make more profit manufacturing overseas, just like many US owned companies.As @Soul Indigo said..."corporations are loyal...

Dunlop is owned by the Japanese company Sumitomo, they make more profit manufacturing overseas, just like many US owned companies.

As @Soul Indigo said...

"corporations are loyal to the quarterly report, not their employees, community, or customers."

That may have been a really bad move by Dunlop come 2025 Wink

He’s going after John Deere 1st. Not enough profit off there 1 mil dollar combines lol . So there building them ovr seas. 

U.S. Market Combines have always and will continue to be made at Harvester works in Moline… the only thing they’ve offshored lately is some cab production. 

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Maybe Dunlop is waiting for the tax perks for reopening up a manufacturing plant in the US under the new administration.

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11/12/2024 9:51am
UpTiTe wrote:

Americans have to willing to pay for the goods made here. 

 Are you willing to buy a $2,400 dollar IPhone? Or $150 jeans? 

MX558 wrote:

When Levi's were made in the US they weren't ever $150 so no we don't . It's just corporate greed is all 

UpTiTe wrote:
If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks.  Sure, corporate...

If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks. 

 Sure, corporate greed takes a bit of blame, but the American wage pushes it over the top. 

Renen gear is proudly made in the USA and they are competitive with all the top of the line gear from the big brands.

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11/12/2024 9:57am
MX558 wrote:

When Levi's were made in the US they weren't ever $150 so no we don't . It's just corporate greed is all 

UpTiTe wrote:
If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks.  Sure, corporate...

If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks. 

 Sure, corporate greed takes a bit of blame, but the American wage pushes it over the top. 

Rocketship wrote:

Renen gear is proudly made in the USA and they are competitive with all the top of the line gear from the big brands.

It’s not like they are an out of thin air start up, they had a solid infrastructure in place. 

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11/12/2024 10:04am
UpTiTe wrote:
If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks.  Sure, corporate...

If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks. 

 Sure, corporate greed takes a bit of blame, but the American wage pushes it over the top. 

Rocketship wrote:

Renen gear is proudly made in the USA and they are competitive with all the top of the line gear from the big brands.

UpTiTe wrote:

It’s not like they are an out of thin air start up, they had a solid infrastructure in place. 

Go check out Origin apparel/jeans. It can be done. 

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Maybe their really high end but the regular jeans were 35 bucks in 03 . So when they started making them out of US why didn't...

Maybe their really high end but the regular jeans were 35 bucks in 03 . So when they started making them out of US why didn't the price drop ? 

Because companies make decisions to make more money. Just cause they’re production cost drops doesn’t mean they have to pass it on to the customer. 

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11/12/2024 10:44am
MX558 wrote:

When Levi's were made in the US they weren't ever $150 so no we don't . It's just corporate greed is all 

UpTiTe wrote:
If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks.  Sure, corporate...

If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks. 

 Sure, corporate greed takes a bit of blame, but the American wage pushes it over the top. 

Rocketship wrote:

Renen gear is proudly made in the USA and they are competitive with all the top of the line gear from the big brands.

Yes but if they had to scale to the production of fly for example that means way more labor force/c suite and warehousing costs. I think these boutique made in USA brands can exist at a niche level because they aren’t trying to scale to massive levels increasing there overhead costs. 

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crt32 wrote:

Michelin in Ardmore, OK closed too; this country has to produce goods if it's going to prosper long term. 

UpTiTe wrote:

Americans have to willing to pay for the goods made here. 

 Are you willing to buy a $2,400 dollar IPhone? Or $150 jeans? 

If the wealth distribution stayed how it was 50-60 years ago people could afford those prices. Wages would be keeping up with inflation. Housing has quadrupled in cost and the average American wage hasn’t even doubled. The middle class is disappearing and the wealthy (top 20%) can’t support the economy. There’s no going back. It will continue to get worse. 

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11/12/2024 12:46pm
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https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/dunlop-racing-tire-factory-in-new-york-is-closing/ I feel really bad for the employees there as it sounds like it was very sudden.  I know they don't make the geomax line in...

https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/dunlop-racing-tire-factory-in-new-york-is-closing/

 

I feel really bad for the employees there as it sounds like it was very sudden.  I know they don't make the geomax line in the US but it will be interesting to see what supply is like next year as they shift production of all the former US made tires overseas.  I hope they have added capacity at the other plants.  

Paul333 wrote:

Hope they like a 20% tariff….

It’s coming 

 

They will pass the 20% on to consumers.

Try Forces U.S. production....

Think the price of a Dunlap is going to go down becuase they are paying $1 to some virtual slave in a third world shit hole? Hell no

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11/12/2024 1:56pm
UpTiTe wrote:

Americans have to willing to pay for the goods made here. 

 Are you willing to buy a $2,400 dollar IPhone? Or $150 jeans? 

MX558 wrote:

When Levi's were made in the US they weren't ever $150 so no we don't . It's just corporate greed is all 

UpTiTe wrote:
If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks.  Sure, corporate...

If Levi started making jeans here, they'd be 350 dollar pants. If Fly brought production to the US, their cheap pant would be 400 bucks. 

 Sure, corporate greed takes a bit of blame, but the American wage pushes it over the top. 

The "American wage" (hourly production wage) hasn't risen dramatically over product prices in the last several decades.  Executive compensation has.

Most Americans believe that the labor of everyone else is basically worthless and nearly no one has a job that is worthy of a living wage.  They also believe that they are one small break away from being one of the 1% financially, and right or wrong they don't want to risk having those 1% contribute more because they could be bajillionaires next month.  

 

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11/12/2024 4:29pm
crt32 wrote:

Michelin in Ardmore, OK closed too; this country has to produce goods if it's going to prosper long term. 

UpTiTe wrote:

Americans have to willing to pay for the goods made here. 

 Are you willing to buy a $2,400 dollar IPhone? Or $150 jeans? 

If the wealth distribution stayed how it was 50-60 years ago people could afford those prices. Wages would be keeping up with inflation. Housing has quadrupled...

If the wealth distribution stayed how it was 50-60 years ago people could afford those prices. Wages would be keeping up with inflation. Housing has quadrupled in cost and the average American wage hasn’t even doubled. The middle class is disappearing and the wealthy (top 20%) can’t support the economy. There’s no going back. It will continue to get worse. 

It's like we need 11 million people or so that don't mind working for peanuts hmmmmm...where would we get them from?

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11/12/2024 5:00pm
UpTiTe wrote:

Americans have to willing to pay for the goods made here. 

 Are you willing to buy a $2,400 dollar IPhone? Or $150 jeans? 

If the wealth distribution stayed how it was 50-60 years ago people could afford those prices. Wages would be keeping up with inflation. Housing has quadrupled...

If the wealth distribution stayed how it was 50-60 years ago people could afford those prices. Wages would be keeping up with inflation. Housing has quadrupled in cost and the average American wage hasn’t even doubled. The middle class is disappearing and the wealthy (top 20%) can’t support the economy. There’s no going back. It will continue to get worse. 

It's like we need 11 million people or so that don't mind working for peanuts hmmmmm...where would we get them from?

This is a bad take

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11/12/2024 5:11pm Edited Date/Time 11/12/2024 5:22pm
3strokemx wrote:

AM Motocross, made in USA, quality is as good or better than Fly, pants are $150-$200.

Pop Shmoke wrote:
Canvas is made in the US too. Actually Michael leib did an entire podcast talking about the production and how he was able to make it...

Canvas is made in the US too. Actually Michael leib did an entire podcast talking about the production and how he was able to make it work here and how he makes gear for some other companies as well. Was a pretty good listen. 

Do you know which pod?

I dont, it was about a year ago, Ill go back and try to find it. Funny enough now that I mention it… they had leib on the pulp show today and he talked a little bit about how he produces everything in the us. Weird how that happens. This time though he mostly talked about the replica jerseys hes doing with feld. Ill try to find the old show tho.  

11/12/2024 5:15pm
Pop Shmoke wrote:
Canvas is made in the US too. Actually Michael leib did an entire podcast talking about the production and how he was able to make it...

Canvas is made in the US too. Actually Michael leib did an entire podcast talking about the production and how he was able to make it work here and how he makes gear for some other companies as well. Was a pretty good listen. 

Do you know which pod?

Pop Shmoke wrote:
I dont, it was about a year ago, Ill go back and try to find it. Funny enough now that I mention it… they had leib...

I dont, it was about a year ago, Ill go back and try to find it. Funny enough now that I mention it… they had leib on the pulp show today and he talked a little bit about how he produces everything in the us. Weird how that happens. This time though he mostly talked about the replica jerseys hes doing with feld. Ill try to find the old show tho.  

There are no coincidences 

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11/12/2024 5:21pm
UpTiTe wrote:

Americans have to willing to pay for the goods made here. 

 Are you willing to buy a $2,400 dollar IPhone? Or $150 jeans? 

If the wealth distribution stayed how it was 50-60 years ago people could afford those prices. Wages would be keeping up with inflation. Housing has quadrupled...

If the wealth distribution stayed how it was 50-60 years ago people could afford those prices. Wages would be keeping up with inflation. Housing has quadrupled in cost and the average American wage hasn’t even doubled. The middle class is disappearing and the wealthy (top 20%) can’t support the economy. There’s no going back. It will continue to get worse. 

It's like we need 11 million people or so that don't mind working for peanuts hmmmmm...where would we get them from?

That's why companies setup factories in third world and developing countries.

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Do you know which pod?

Pop Shmoke wrote:
I dont, it was about a year ago, Ill go back and try to find it. Funny enough now that I mention it… they had leib...

I dont, it was about a year ago, Ill go back and try to find it. Funny enough now that I mention it… they had leib on the pulp show today and he talked a little bit about how he produces everything in the us. Weird how that happens. This time though he mostly talked about the replica jerseys hes doing with feld. Ill try to find the old show tho.  

There are no coincidences 

I believe this is the one. Lots of in depth info here, great listen. He really goes in depth on what its like getting into manufacturing and doing it in the us and the disadvantages and also some big advantages to that. I wish more guys would talk about the behind the scenes stuff more like michael does, he has near unlimited info that hell share when he gets going. 

 

 

Then funny enough on the pulp show today he had some more interesting things to say, his part starts at 2:59:42. Today he went in depth about how they created a replica jersey market with feld which did not exist previously which is going to give the riders and especially privateers more money that they were not earning before because nobody was selling rider jerseys. For a privateer this will definitely be a nice addition. He talked about how they needed to get licensing from the sponsors which was tough, but it gives them advertising on the jerseys for as long as the jerseys exist. This whole market did not exist so its extra money being brought into the sport which is awesome. 

 


 

11/12/2024 6:21pm
Pop Shmoke wrote:
I dont, it was about a year ago, Ill go back and try to find it. Funny enough now that I mention it… they had leib...

I dont, it was about a year ago, Ill go back and try to find it. Funny enough now that I mention it… they had leib on the pulp show today and he talked a little bit about how he produces everything in the us. Weird how that happens. This time though he mostly talked about the replica jerseys hes doing with feld. Ill try to find the old show tho.  

There are no coincidences 

Pop Shmoke wrote:
I believe this is the one. Lots of in depth info here, great listen. He really goes in depth on what its like getting into manufacturing...

I believe this is the one. Lots of in depth info here, great listen. He really goes in depth on what its like getting into manufacturing and doing it in the us and the disadvantages and also some big advantages to that. I wish more guys would talk about the behind the scenes stuff more like michael does, he has near unlimited info that hell share when he gets going. 

 

 

Then funny enough on the pulp show today he had some more interesting things to say, his part starts at 2:59:42. Today he went in depth about how they created a replica jersey market with feld which did not exist previously which is going to give the riders and especially privateers more money that they were not earning before because nobody was selling rider jerseys. For a privateer this will definitely be a nice addition. He talked about how they needed to get licensing from the sponsors which was tough, but it gives them advertising on the jerseys for as long as the jerseys exist. This whole market did not exist so its extra money being brought into the sport which is awesome. 

 


 

Thank you! I will consume these both.

I am curious about the manufacturing side of custom gear as I see no reason to pay $300 for the right to advertise a corporate commodity. 

I’ll also do my keep an open mind when listening about the replica jersey stuff. 

I currently see it as another cash grab by gatekeeper/middleman Feld. Somewhere in the ballpark of the GoPro/360Fly ordeal.

I also have sticking points when it comes a man paying to wear another man’s name on his back. 

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11/12/2024 6:40pm
Spooner wrote:
https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/dunlop-racing-tire-factory-in-new-york-is-closing/ I feel really bad for the employees there as it sounds like it was very sudden.  I know they don't make the geomax line in...

https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/dunlop-racing-tire-factory-in-new-york-is-closing/

 

I feel really bad for the employees there as it sounds like it was very sudden.  I know they don't make the geomax line in the US but it will be interesting to see what supply is like next year as they shift production of all the former US made tires overseas.  I hope they have added capacity at the other plants.  

Paul333 wrote:

Hope they like a 20% tariff….

It’s coming 

 

$40-50 billion in annual sales and you don’t think they’ve done the calculations? It’s a Japanese company. I’m sure they’ll find ways to mitigate the cost of tariffs. Some will come from a reduction in the cost the factory charges their US based distribution, the rest will be passed onto the consumer.


 

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Thank you! I will consume these both.I am curious about the manufacturing side of custom gear as I see no reason to pay $300 for the...

Thank you! I will consume these both.

I am curious about the manufacturing side of custom gear as I see no reason to pay $300 for the right to advertise a corporate commodity. 

I’ll also do my keep an open mind when listening about the replica jersey stuff. 

I currently see it as another cash grab by gatekeeper/middleman Feld. Somewhere in the ballpark of the GoPro/360Fly ordeal.

I also have sticking points when it comes a man paying to wear another man’s name on his back. 

While I agree with you I see no reason to purchase a replica jersey or where a major sports athletes jersey plenty of fans do and good for them. Doesn’t bother me any and it’s good to have people with different tastes. 

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Thank you! I will consume these both.I am curious about the manufacturing side of custom gear as I see no reason to pay $300 for the...

Thank you! I will consume these both.

I am curious about the manufacturing side of custom gear as I see no reason to pay $300 for the right to advertise a corporate commodity. 

I’ll also do my keep an open mind when listening about the replica jersey stuff. 

I currently see it as another cash grab by gatekeeper/middleman Feld. Somewhere in the ballpark of the GoPro/360Fly ordeal.

I also have sticking points when it comes a man paying to wear another man’s name on his back. 

soggy wrote:
While I agree with you I see no reason to purchase a replica jersey or where a major sports athletes jersey plenty of fans do and...

While I agree with you I see no reason to purchase a replica jersey or where a major sports athletes jersey plenty of fans do and good for them. Doesn’t bother me any and it’s good to have people with different tastes. 

Yea same I wouldnt wear one, but he brought up a good point about how plenty of people will buy the jerseys to get them signed in the pits and hang them up on their wall. I would do that and I’m sure a lot more ppl would as well. Plus theyre creating retro jerseys like bradshaw or bailey with the old sponsors and everything and getting one of those signed would be badass. I think its a pretty cool idea and its adding new dollars for something that previously didnt exist. Plus think of a guy like stank dog that had tons of fans at every race and is showing up in a pickup truck. If he can earn a few thousand extra dollars by people buying his jersey I think thats awesome. 

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Its all rather simple. 

If you are a U.S. company taking all the benefits of living/business in the U.S. then move all your production to some third world country = Penalized/Tariff/etc. 

Just like the rest of the world does it. 

Personally I call it treasonous but still. 

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11/13/2024 1:55pm
Paul333 wrote:
Its all rather simple. If you are a U.S. company taking all the benefits of living/business in the U.S. then move all your production to some third...

Its all rather simple. 

If you are a U.S. company taking all the benefits of living/business in the U.S. then move all your production to some third world country = Penalized/Tariff/etc. 

Just like the rest of the world does it. 

Personally I call it treasonous but still. 

It's not treasonous for Dunlop, they are owned by Sumitomo, a Japanese company.

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Paul333 wrote:
Its all rather simple. If you are a U.S. company taking all the benefits of living/business in the U.S. then move all your production to some third...

Its all rather simple. 

If you are a U.S. company taking all the benefits of living/business in the U.S. then move all your production to some third world country = Penalized/Tariff/etc. 

Just like the rest of the world does it. 

Personally I call it treasonous but still. 

It's not treasonous for Dunlop, they are owned by Sumitomo, a Japanese company.

It is if production was just in the U.S.A. and now it's not...

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crt32 wrote:

Michelin in Ardmore, OK closed too; this country has to produce goods if it's going to prosper long term. 

Yep, moving it to Mexico

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If we want to support American made companies we all need to be wearing Scott goggles, Renen or Canvas gear, running Hoosier tires and Yoshimura exhaust.  What are some other American made companies?

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Loftin79 wrote:
If we want to support American made companies we all need to be wearing Scott goggles, Renen or Canvas gear, running Hoosier tires and Yoshimura exhaust...

If we want to support American made companies we all need to be wearing Scott goggles, Renen or Canvas gear, running Hoosier tires and Yoshimura exhaust.  What are some other American made companies?

FMF

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Loftin79 wrote:
If we want to support American made companies we all need to be wearing Scott goggles, Renen or Canvas gear, running Hoosier tires and Yoshimura exhaust...

If we want to support American made companies we all need to be wearing Scott goggles, Renen or Canvas gear, running Hoosier tires and Yoshimura exhaust.  What are some other American made companies?

Bingo…

 

11/15/2024 4:29am
jarvinator wrote:

anybody running Hoosier tires? how are they?

They work great for a few races, then they fall off hard. I had a local seller of Hoosier so I use them , but now that he doesn't carry Hoosier, I am back to Dunlop. 

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