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Parents of children need to be watchful and remove their child from a track if it becomes dangerous.
Parents of minors need to set boundaries and punish their adolescents when their kid causes danger.
Track owners need to spend the money and have a track worker or track Marshal on site on a track when small kids are riding.
It appears that all three of these safety checks failed at once. Result - a precious child is gone from a family, and one fewer motocross facility exists for the tens of thousands of local riders and racers.
Motocross is a small sport, everyone needs to work together and use common sense, or else tracks will cease to exist…
Add Milestone to that list. The other one was in east SD county, it was named after the owners number. Like others have said, it was only a matter of time but sad it had to end this way.
Gorman is still closed due to well/pump issues.
Gonna miss Elsinore as it has always held a special place in my heart. My Grandpa and the Ekins would take me out there when I was barely old enough to comprehend what was even happening, all the way to when I took my son there for his first time on a track. Funny enough, as sketchy as it could be, Elsinore was the one track I never had a "Big one" at. Just always a nice, fun time there.
These tracks need to get their shit together when it comes to moderating the riff raff.
This is a shame, I shared the news with my grandma, and she told me that my dad rode at elsinore on his cr50. I’ve never been to elsinore, or any socal track but fox raceway for the national in 2022 and 2023. I have some hope that it may be able to reopen down the line in a few years, but i’m not sure. Bottom line is to employ flaggers that are fans of the sport that know when to use the flag and when not to, and everything else.
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AV Motoplex closed as well.
I5 is closed currently because of “water issues” and needing a new well.
Employing flaggers sounds like a good idea until you have to raise the price of admission to the track and the moto community would flip out and accuse the tracks of being money hungry gremlins praying on the moto community 🙄
Yep. This is the issue. Everyone wants "all the things" and then complains about track fees to ride regardless of costs of fuel , people, insurance etc. It's amazing to me any track is open basically anywhere in SoCal and really anywhere else.
I think Club tracks could be the answer, but then you only have some that hold up their end of the deal.
what you COULD do and this would also have people up in arms also but provides a solution is ask people to volunteer to flag (riders, friends, gf's etc) in exchange for a reduce track fee or free.
I have about 30 LACR tokens in my truck as I refuse to use them because I want to support them as much as possible. $50 a day per rider is far from unreasonable for a day at the track IMHO.
Kind of want to race the GP now to have one last go of it at LEMX but it kind of looked somewhat meh last year with the makeshift course. I thought it was at least a good start to eventually get the local politicians on board to let them race in the street again, even though the old route wouldn’t be possible because of new housing. Reality is the old GP is gone, one last new GP. Sad stuff I rode here when I was 10 a lot and started riding it again a couple years ago. Went twice last week. It sucked sometimes when it was too muddy or too dry but at least it was open. Condolences to the family that had a child taken too soon to what seems like negligent vehicular manslaughter if the story is what I originally heard. This was more than an accident, it was 100% preventable.
I'd rather pay an extra $10 then have someone's girl out there on her phone not paying attention.
Should've ripped the valve stems out, snapped the kid's spark plug insulator and removed the master link the first time he came back.
What is the back story on the incident for those of us who missed it?
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/rip-brooke-carlton
A club track would be a fantastic idea.
I will pay whatever to ride at a place that I know will be idiot-free. I think most dedicated riders and racers would also.
Anyone who thinks track fees are expensive has never gone skiing or golfing.
So true. Most will spend $100 at the bar then complain about track fees. I've yet to see a track owner pull up in a maybach
This particular case has nothing to do with flaggers or splitting practice. There were track employees on the scene that saw what happened and took the steps to correct it by getting the idiot on a 125 off of the kid's track. He went out of his way to sneak back onto that track twice and that's when the accident happened. Splitting practice, more flaggers, more signs, Brett Downey Foundation rules etc. wouldn't change a thing. Other than a pissed off dad that would grab the kid and get him off of the track, there would have to be a babysitter at every track watching everyone.
Sad deal for the family... horrible all the way around
...but apparently, Lake Elsinore MX Park management didn't eject the offender after repeated infractions. They had good cause and should have done exactly that.
If you break the rules multiple times at any other public sports facility in one day, they will escort you off the premises.
I am speculating that the person who caused this went on the Vet intermediate track and just transferred to the kids track that is right next to the IV track in the trees. I am at a loss to explain why LEMP staff did not follow up with this individual.
It is too late for this track now, I am hoping that other tracks take notice and realize how much they and their rider customers have to lose if there is not proactive rider and track management.
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I didn't have time to read it all, but it sounds like a 13yr old kid on a 250f snuck onto the kids track twice, and was kicked off both times by the track staff? And then he went back a 3rd time and this is when he killed the little girl?
Anyone have pics of the kids track? Is there a reason why this kid would want to be on it on his 250f?
Right, that’s what I said in my first post in this thread.
And again, has nothing to do with flaggers or signs or splitting practice.
It’s super flat. There’s a kids track on the other side, this was more of Stacyc track. No reason to be on it. Tragic all the way around.
Sad news.....same sad news that's been happening for decades. Some idiot has to ruin it for everyone else.
In all my 20 years of riding, only two tracks scared me: El Cajon Speedway (mainly the night sessions) and Lake Elsinore. Perris was occasionally sketchy.
If I was the parents of that poor girl, I would sue the living bejeezus out of every irresponsible party involved in her death. Completely and totally inexcusable on every level.
I am sorry this happen but in no way should the track be responsible for this or anything else that happens. Every one that enters the track knows the risk of what ever happens. If anyone should have been responsible it should have been the person that hit her.
Well you would only be suing your self and possibly the person that hit you in that case then.
The primary FACT is that her parents knowingly and intentionally put their child in harms way. The track did not force them to bring her to the track, , nor does the track imply that it is safe to ride there, nor did the track force them to knowingly sign a waiver that basically says they (the parents) are fully responsible for any injuries they or their child incurs at the track, period, end of story.
If you get run into on the highway, you certainly do not sue the City or State for allowing the road you got hit on to be placed there, nor do you sue the company that built the road etc. You only sue the person that hit you.
You are a moron of epic proportions. Please stay away from motocross tracks and go invest in a tennis racket or something.
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I would go smoke that little cunt who was on the wrong track AND his dad to start my therapy.
Unless you’re like Mr McDuff who would “sue the bejeezus out of anyone and everyone” his lawyer would go after. That’s cool Jeremy you do whatever you feel like you would need to do but like someone else said please stay away from motocross tracks. “Thank You” - Everybody
tell us you have no idea how our legal system actually works without telling us you have no idea how our legal system works
I have gone through several motocross related lawsuits, and have had to give depositions in several more.
you live in a nice little fantasy world.
do the motorcycles in your world love you back?
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