Monster Energy pulling out of GNCC

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10/29/2024 9:16am Edited Date/Time 10/29/2024 9:34am
JazzyJJ wrote:
Remove smoking from the equation and it's not as black and white as you make it seem. Sorry, you're just wrong here. Nicotine as a major component...

Remove smoking from the equation and it's not as black and white as you make it seem. Sorry, you're just wrong here. 

Nicotine as a major component of addiction in cigarettes has been reported to play protective roles in some pathological processes. It is reported that activation of the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor also has a cardioprotective effect. 

and

However, studies have found that the main components of cigarettes that causes cancer and cardiovascular disease are oxidizing chemicals and toxic organic chemicals [9,10].

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006291X19322120….

 

Many studies have investigated the relationship between smoking and increased cardiovascular risk, but few investigate nicotine and cardiovascular risk in humans.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7308884/#:~:text=Nicotine%20pr…).

truck wrote:
Just stop..... tell me you're addicted to Zyn without telling me..... you think maybe some of this nonsense about nicotine being good for you might be...

Just stop..... tell me you're addicted to Zyn without telling me..... you think maybe some of this nonsense about nicotine being good for you might be coming from the people still getting rich off of it?

Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors activated as part of normal body function are responding to acetylcholine, not nicotine. Nicotine does not occur naturally in the human body and the only reason the name is given to the receptor is because of the history of the research involved with it.  Activating these receptors to an extreme with a different substance doesn't produce the same results as activating them with naturally occurring substances. Making this argument would be similar to arguing that heroin is good for you because the receptors that it hits have some benefit in normal human functioning. True, but irrelevant. 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4363846/

"Nicotine adversely affects many organs as shown in human and animal studies. Its biological effects are widespread and extend to all systems of the body including cardiovascular, respiratory, renal and reproductive systems. Nicotine has also been found to be carcinogenic in several studies. It promotes tumorigenesis by affecting cell proliferation, angiogenesis and apoptotic pathways."

JazzyJJ wrote:
I've never used a zyn in my life and have smoked single digit cigarettes, nice try. What you posted is a meta study that takes results based...

I've never used a zyn in my life and have smoked single digit cigarettes, nice try. 

What you posted is a meta study that takes results based largely on smoking, which we can all agree is horrible for you regardless of what you're smoking. Recent research on low dose usage points to what I posted above and the benefits that can be observed. 

It's the opposite of that. The whole point of the review is to look at the effects of nicotine independent of smoking. Many of the studies are highly controlled animal studies done in a lab with pure nicotine. They aren't giving the mice cigarettes to smoke. 

Did you get to the point in the review that you posted where it listed who the funding came from? 

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I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get...

I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get the eyeballs on it that SX/MX coverage does. Even though the majority of people that visit this website race off-road more than moto for their personal preferences, they don't care to watch it or digest it in such a committed way.

I have a theory for this. 99.999% of us here will never ride a Supercross track, SX is a spectacle and the only thing you can really do is watch it, talk about it, analyze it, etc. And it's in a format that easy to follow while you're at the event or watching from home. It's digestible and easy to view. Pro Motocross to a lesser nature, considering we all do it, but the vast majority of us will never race the national layout of the tracks. There's a certain separation that makes it interesting.

Off-road events like GNCC are more participation based than viewership based. Any of us can wander up, race the AM race, and be on the same track and in the same conditions as these guys. Don't get me wrong, a Stu Baylor, Johnny Girroird, etc are insanely gnarly, but I think being able to compete alongside them in a sense lessens the effect they have on fans. They're popular, don't get me wrong, but they don't create the draw the top SX, MX, and MXGP racers do.

Lastly, you can go do it. Most fans that are interested in GNCC can go race it, so there's less likely hood they're going to go back and watch it. On top of that, it's a very hard style of racing to follow from a viewership standpoint. The events are blast to go to and particiapte in, hang out with your buddies, and view. To sit at home and watch though? Not really.

Any content we do around these forms of off-road racing are a tenth of the views we get from SX, MX, and MXGP. And it costs just as much to produce.

3strokemx wrote:
Did Vitalmx do anything special or take the same stale offroad racing content and try to introduce it to a larger audience? Part of the problem is...

Did Vitalmx do anything special or take the same stale offroad racing content and try to introduce it to a larger audience?

 Part of the problem is the length of the race and the distance of the course, so it makes it logistically a great challenge to document.  

However, getting cameras into the interesting sections instead of just the fields would be a good start. 
Could also be interesting to use a graphic with time gaps or map to help visualize the race even when riders are not in the same shot.
Also on bike cameras for the pro riders could give some nice footage as prove by the Nat. Enduro series.

I just pulled these out of my ass. I'm sure some professionals could come up with really good ideas.

 

Regarding camera's, they actually do this now and the coverage is not too bad really. In the early rounds with the trees still not fully "leafed" they will use a drone to follow the lead riders. They will also show the time gaps for the leaders in XC1 / XC2 classes, as well as speak about the overall leader board.

I like your idea of a live feed from the riders POV, would make for some interesting coverage.

Agree with your point about the length of the events, it makes things difficult - but I think RacerTV does do a decent job covering these live. They bring in guests to the video feed and do an on-air interview while talking about the race. 

 

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10/29/2024 9:34am
SPYGUY wrote:

Let's join hands and pray that the ATV numbers continue to fall.

Can you imagine SX or Pro MX racing the day after ATV's ruined the track?

Always hated this when I raced Gncc”s… 80% of the track is beatdown quad double ruts.. pick a rut👍

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GNCC would be a million times more enjoyable to watch if we can see the passes of the top guys. I watch all the racertv recap videos plus the onthepipepodcast videos and they very rarely catch passes from the leaders. Cameras on the bikes or riders for the top guys would be awesome. 

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10/29/2024 1:02pm
SPYGUY wrote:

Let's join hands and pray that the ATV numbers continue to fall.

Can you imagine SX or Pro MX racing the day after ATV's ruined the track?

sandman768 wrote:

Always hated this when I raced Gncc”s… 80% of the track is beatdown quad double ruts.. pick a rut👍

I was at Steel City when they had the Quad national on Saturday and the Men's and women's Nationals on the same weekend. I don't remember when the women's class ran that weekend. But the Quads pushed all the soft dirt to the outsides of the corners and it was strange to see such flat hardpacked corners instead of ruts building up.  It changed how the track was ,compared to the other times I went there. And there were a lot of complaints.

When a trail or track is wide enough for them to be able to slide, they will smooth the ruts and bumps out of corners.  

 

In my personal riding area, I've found my SXS is less hard on the trails and jumps than an MX bike.  It gets rutted and bumpy quickly with bikes. But the SXS slides and almost packs the surface down. Like it develops into hardpack when I drive the SXS a lot . And when there are bikes on it , they tear it up and its a deep loam.   If trails/tracks are built to work with all types of vehicles they can work better than if  You build for bikes and then drive the SXS's that re 10 times the weight. 

 

I can understand the reasoning that was posted about sponsors not wanting to deal with the negative perception that some people have of people that ride dirtbikes.  If You have the option of sponsoring something that has the same positives as MX/SX without the negative perceptions , That could be enough of a reason for some brands to skip sponsoring MX. 

 

I was working with a local MX team, that went from sponsoring riders to helping bring sponsors into pro moto. They were helping Jimmy Albertson and  some riders out and talking with other teams. I did mock ups for them for so many different companies.  Apple , Dunkin Donuts, ,Gillette ,The NE patriots, the Marines, some gum brands, beer, etc.   I did renderings of bikes for every proposal. And then when there was any interest shown they did a more extensive proposal with team clothing and truck designs as well.  They got some support from the Marines at one point and worked out a deal with the NE pat's so the team ran NE patriots graphics  for a little while too. 

When they sent the proposals , they had a giant binder of stats ,charts and images. This was back around 2006-2011ish. I'm sure its different now.  I had a bad injury that resulted in not working with them anymore. So I'm not sure what happened with them. They came really close with a few big companies . But   never got the big single title sponsor they wanted. And went away as far as being a team themselves. They still had local offices for a longtime. From what I remember they were saying that the marketing guys for those big companies were looking for bigger returns , and spending bigger amounts of money than a Pro MX/SX team would provide them. So it was not that sponsoring a team would not provide them with a lot of bang for the buck. It was that a lot of them were spending bigger for much bigger bangs. And it was not worth the time to do something with MX. They felt like if they  were able to find a company with people that had a passion for MX that they could have made it work. But at he time,  MX/SX was too big and too small at the same time.  

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Mx391 wrote:
GNCC would be a million times more enjoyable to watch if we can see the passes of the top guys. I watch all the racertv recap...

GNCC would be a million times more enjoyable to watch if we can see the passes of the top guys. I watch all the racertv recap videos plus the onthepipepodcast videos and they very rarely catch passes from the leaders. Cameras on the bikes or riders for the top guys would be awesome. 

They might be nervous of the liability of having the interactions between the Leaders and the Lappers on video 🤣

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10/29/2024 2:00pm
ML512 wrote:
I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get...

I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get the eyeballs on it that SX/MX coverage does. Even though the majority of people that visit this website race off-road more than moto for their personal preferences, they don't care to watch it or digest it in such a committed way.

I have a theory for this. 99.999% of us here will never ride a Supercross track, SX is a spectacle and the only thing you can really do is watch it, talk about it, analyze it, etc. And it's in a format that easy to follow while you're at the event or watching from home. It's digestible and easy to view. Pro Motocross to a lesser nature, considering we all do it, but the vast majority of us will never race the national layout of the tracks. There's a certain separation that makes it interesting.

Off-road events like GNCC are more participation based than viewership based. Any of us can wander up, race the AM race, and be on the same track and in the same conditions as these guys. Don't get me wrong, a Stu Baylor, Johnny Girroird, etc are insanely gnarly, but I think being able to compete alongside them in a sense lessens the effect they have on fans. They're popular, don't get me wrong, but they don't create the draw the top SX, MX, and MXGP racers do.

Lastly, you can go do it. Most fans that are interested in GNCC can go race it, so there's less likely hood they're going to go back and watch it. On top of that, it's a very hard style of racing to follow from a viewership standpoint. The events are blast to go to and particiapte in, hang out with your buddies, and view. To sit at home and watch though? Not really.

Any content we do around these forms of off-road racing are a tenth of the views we get from SX, MX, and MXGP. And it costs just as much to produce.

We need to get Justin Hoeft on this coast and have him throw someone’s bike off a cliff. That would boost the viewership. 

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sandman768 wrote:

The energy drink phenomenon cannot last forever…I mean…. who the hell drinks this poison? 

Back to the Future: might be an opportunity for Coors and Camel to market their wares as "nutritional supplements" to do an end run on the...

Back to the Future: might be an opportunity for Coors and Camel to market their wares as "nutritional supplements" to do an end run on the advertising restriction regs.

Vintage moto at its finest. 👍

To be fair studies have allegedly been done that say a beer or two after exertion is beneficial with recoverySmile

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sandman768 wrote:

The energy drink phenomenon cannot last forever…I mean…. who the hell drinks this poison? 

Back to the Future: might be an opportunity for Coors and Camel to market their wares as "nutritional supplements" to do an end run on the...

Back to the Future: might be an opportunity for Coors and Camel to market their wares as "nutritional supplements" to do an end run on the advertising restriction regs.

Vintage moto at its finest. 👍

To be fair studies have allegedly been done that say a beer or two after exertion is beneficial with recoverySmile

It's not the potential benefits I'm referring to, I just find it amusing that the US Gubmint decided to make it illegal for "vice" products to be advertised where certain demographics might be exposed to them but their replacements may also potentially pose significant health risks.

Might be time to lobby to get things changed so they can have the 2025 Coors SuperDuperStarterCross Series promotional material printed before A1. 🤔

Besides, the alcohol and tobacco girls were much hotter than the painted plastic ones they trot out nowadays. 🤘 And my studies have shown you stood a much better chance of wanting to smoke a Camel a few hours after splitting a 12-pack of Coors with one of them than wanting to vape some CBD after sharing some Monster with one. 😄

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Back to the Future: might be an opportunity for Coors and Camel to market their wares as "nutritional supplements" to do an end run on the...

Back to the Future: might be an opportunity for Coors and Camel to market their wares as "nutritional supplements" to do an end run on the advertising restriction regs.

Vintage moto at its finest. 👍

To be fair studies have allegedly been done that say a beer or two after exertion is beneficial with recoverySmile

It's not the potential benefits I'm referring to, I just find it amusing that the US Gubmint decided to make it illegal for "vice" products to...

It's not the potential benefits I'm referring to, I just find it amusing that the US Gubmint decided to make it illegal for "vice" products to be advertised where certain demographics might be exposed to them but their replacements may also potentially pose significant health risks.

Might be time to lobby to get things changed so they can have the 2025 Coors SuperDuperStarterCross Series promotional material printed before A1. 🤔

Besides, the alcohol and tobacco girls were much hotter than the painted plastic ones they trot out nowadays. 🤘 And my studies have shown you stood a much better chance of wanting to smoke a Camel a few hours after splitting a 12-pack of Coors with one of them than wanting to vape some CBD after sharing some Monster with one. 😄

Bring on the coconut water girls launching free microdoses to the upper deck! 🍄 

 

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10/30/2024 12:58am
NicNak wrote:
lol I feel like most the people that don’t drink monster also don’t drink Mountain Dew or eat shitty food. Rarely, (can’t recall a time tbh)...

lol I feel like most the people that don’t drink monster also don’t drink Mountain Dew or eat shitty food. Rarely, (can’t recall a time tbh) do I meet someone with a healthy active nutrition program that includes monster 

Off topic here but nothing wrong with the odd Monster/Mcdonalds etc in moderation. 

80/20 rule with eating and plenty of rest and excersise. 

It’s not rocket since. Half the guys that stave themselves of some treats etc wouldn’t even no the difference if they had a few can of monster a month. 

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What pro MX/SX look like without energy drink dough 🤔

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NicNak wrote:
lol I feel like most the people that don’t drink monster also don’t drink Mountain Dew or eat shitty food. Rarely, (can’t recall a time tbh)...

lol I feel like most the people that don’t drink monster also don’t drink Mountain Dew or eat shitty food. Rarely, (can’t recall a time tbh) do I meet someone with a healthy active nutrition program that includes monster 

Off topic here but nothing wrong with the odd Monster/Mcdonalds etc in moderation. 80/20 rule with eating and plenty of rest and excersise. It’s not rocket since. Half...

Off topic here but nothing wrong with the odd Monster/Mcdonalds etc in moderation. 

80/20 rule with eating and plenty of rest and excersise. 

It’s not rocket since. Half the guys that stave themselves of some treats etc wouldn’t even no the difference if they had a few can of monster a month. 

I have a different perspective. 

80/20 is a great ratio to go by with almost everything. I don’t do absolutes.

When it comes to foods likes this, I go by “the more consistent I prune, the better I will feel and function” rule. The sky is the limit.

Every time you exposure the internal environment to something not cool, it resets a clock to some extent. 

The benefits of keeping a clean gut biome compound.

I don’t recommend living in fear in the event a Big Mac does find its way in, but tightening up the ratio over time is a wise move.


Ps. I don’t see it as staving from treats. I see it as fueling my race car. Most of the time. And I notice the consequences when I stray. Almost instantly.

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Team403 wrote:

What pro MX/SX look like without energy drink dough 🤔

Makes room for coconut water dough

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3strokemx wrote:
Maybe Monster is pulling out because the GNCC crowd has transcended the image they are targeting?    Quad numbers are down, no more SxS racing, started e-bicycle...

Maybe Monster is pulling out because the GNCC crowd has transcended the image they are targeting? 
   Quad numbers are down, no more SxS racing, started e-bicycle racing, now they are banning pitbikes................  
 

SPYGUY wrote:

Let's join hands and pray that the ATV numbers continue to fall.

Can you imagine SX or Pro MX racing the day after ATV's ruined the track?

Sure can at the local level…my usual track had a full weekend only for quads. Completely f…d the track up. 

10/30/2024 5:30am
3strokemx wrote:
Maybe Monster is pulling out because the GNCC crowd has transcended the image they are targeting?    Quad numbers are down, no more SxS racing, started e-bicycle...

Maybe Monster is pulling out because the GNCC crowd has transcended the image they are targeting? 
   Quad numbers are down, no more SxS racing, started e-bicycle racing, now they are banning pitbikes................  
 

SPYGUY wrote:

Let's join hands and pray that the ATV numbers continue to fall.

Can you imagine SX or Pro MX racing the day after ATV's ruined the track?

PNWMXer wrote:

Sure can at the local level…my usual track had a full weekend only for quads. Completely f…d the track up. 

Our local race series allows a handful of quads to race on bike race days totally ruining the track.  I wonder if they realize how many riders like me don’t race with them because of this.

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truck wrote:
Just stop..... tell me you're addicted to Zyn without telling me..... you think maybe some of this nonsense about nicotine being good for you might be...

Just stop..... tell me you're addicted to Zyn without telling me..... you think maybe some of this nonsense about nicotine being good for you might be coming from the people still getting rich off of it?

Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors activated as part of normal body function are responding to acetylcholine, not nicotine. Nicotine does not occur naturally in the human body and the only reason the name is given to the receptor is because of the history of the research involved with it.  Activating these receptors to an extreme with a different substance doesn't produce the same results as activating them with naturally occurring substances. Making this argument would be similar to arguing that heroin is good for you because the receptors that it hits have some benefit in normal human functioning. True, but irrelevant. 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4363846/

"Nicotine adversely affects many organs as shown in human and animal studies. Its biological effects are widespread and extend to all systems of the body including cardiovascular, respiratory, renal and reproductive systems. Nicotine has also been found to be carcinogenic in several studies. It promotes tumorigenesis by affecting cell proliferation, angiogenesis and apoptotic pathways."

JazzyJJ wrote:
I've never used a zyn in my life and have smoked single digit cigarettes, nice try. What you posted is a meta study that takes results based...

I've never used a zyn in my life and have smoked single digit cigarettes, nice try. 

What you posted is a meta study that takes results based largely on smoking, which we can all agree is horrible for you regardless of what you're smoking. Recent research on low dose usage points to what I posted above and the benefits that can be observed. 

truck wrote:
It's the opposite of that. The whole point of the review is to look at the effects of nicotine independent of smoking. Many of the studies...

It's the opposite of that. The whole point of the review is to look at the effects of nicotine independent of smoking. Many of the studies are highly controlled animal studies done in a lab with pure nicotine. They aren't giving the mice cigarettes to smoke. 

Did you get to the point in the review that you posted where it listed who the funding came from? 

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No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for...

No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for Monster.  I'm big fan of all forms of motorcycle racing, and I gotta admit, I wasn't aware of Monster's sponsorship of GNCC.

LungButter wrote:
You're not completely wrong but.... GNCC is also the biggest off road series and maybe even race series in the world as far as participation numbers...

You're not completely wrong but.... GNCC is also the biggest off road series and maybe even race series in the world as far as participation numbers.  I bet it's not even close honestly.  They get over a thousand racers at every round I think.

They also have pretty good Live coverage on their YouTube Channel and do get coverage from a lot of moto media outlets.

It's not like it's some complete unknown series that gets no attention.

Kind of off topic but I'm actually a believer that companies within moto should be pouring more money into sponsoring GNCC and other off road series because the folks there are the ones who actually buy parts and gear and bikes and tires etc. etc.  Compare that to the crowd going to a Pro Motocross or Supercross race and probably 50% of them ain't gonna spend shit within the actual industry, especially Supercross attendees.

So this begs the question since we've got JT$s attention, why don't companies like Fly/Western Powersports spend more money on these off road racers & series' that are actually the ones buying their shit?

ML512 wrote:
I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get...

I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get the eyeballs on it that SX/MX coverage does. Even though the majority of people that visit this website race off-road more than moto for their personal preferences, they don't care to watch it or digest it in such a committed way.

I have a theory for this. 99.999% of us here will never ride a Supercross track, SX is a spectacle and the only thing you can really do is watch it, talk about it, analyze it, etc. And it's in a format that easy to follow while you're at the event or watching from home. It's digestible and easy to view. Pro Motocross to a lesser nature, considering we all do it, but the vast majority of us will never race the national layout of the tracks. There's a certain separation that makes it interesting.

Off-road events like GNCC are more participation based than viewership based. Any of us can wander up, race the AM race, and be on the same track and in the same conditions as these guys. Don't get me wrong, a Stu Baylor, Johnny Girroird, etc are insanely gnarly, but I think being able to compete alongside them in a sense lessens the effect they have on fans. They're popular, don't get me wrong, but they don't create the draw the top SX, MX, and MXGP racers do.

Lastly, you can go do it. Most fans that are interested in GNCC can go race it, so there's less likely hood they're going to go back and watch it. On top of that, it's a very hard style of racing to follow from a viewership standpoint. The events are blast to go to and particiapte in, hang out with your buddies, and view. To sit at home and watch though? Not really.

Any content we do around these forms of off-road racing are a tenth of the views we get from SX, MX, and MXGP. And it costs just as much to produce.

VitalMTB exists and covers DH racing, which I think has the same GNCC problem - not sure what the ROI on that coverage is though. The VItal Raw I like to watch looks pretty inexpensive to produce hah.

 

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10/30/2024 7:19am
LungButter wrote:
You're not completely wrong but.... GNCC is also the biggest off road series and maybe even race series in the world as far as participation numbers...

You're not completely wrong but.... GNCC is also the biggest off road series and maybe even race series in the world as far as participation numbers.  I bet it's not even close honestly.  They get over a thousand racers at every round I think.

They also have pretty good Live coverage on their YouTube Channel and do get coverage from a lot of moto media outlets.

It's not like it's some complete unknown series that gets no attention.

Kind of off topic but I'm actually a believer that companies within moto should be pouring more money into sponsoring GNCC and other off road series because the folks there are the ones who actually buy parts and gear and bikes and tires etc. etc.  Compare that to the crowd going to a Pro Motocross or Supercross race and probably 50% of them ain't gonna spend shit within the actual industry, especially Supercross attendees.

So this begs the question since we've got JT$s attention, why don't companies like Fly/Western Powersports spend more money on these off road racers & series' that are actually the ones buying their shit?

ML512 wrote:
I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get...

I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get the eyeballs on it that SX/MX coverage does. Even though the majority of people that visit this website race off-road more than moto for their personal preferences, they don't care to watch it or digest it in such a committed way.

I have a theory for this. 99.999% of us here will never ride a Supercross track, SX is a spectacle and the only thing you can really do is watch it, talk about it, analyze it, etc. And it's in a format that easy to follow while you're at the event or watching from home. It's digestible and easy to view. Pro Motocross to a lesser nature, considering we all do it, but the vast majority of us will never race the national layout of the tracks. There's a certain separation that makes it interesting.

Off-road events like GNCC are more participation based than viewership based. Any of us can wander up, race the AM race, and be on the same track and in the same conditions as these guys. Don't get me wrong, a Stu Baylor, Johnny Girroird, etc are insanely gnarly, but I think being able to compete alongside them in a sense lessens the effect they have on fans. They're popular, don't get me wrong, but they don't create the draw the top SX, MX, and MXGP racers do.

Lastly, you can go do it. Most fans that are interested in GNCC can go race it, so there's less likely hood they're going to go back and watch it. On top of that, it's a very hard style of racing to follow from a viewership standpoint. The events are blast to go to and particiapte in, hang out with your buddies, and view. To sit at home and watch though? Not really.

Any content we do around these forms of off-road racing are a tenth of the views we get from SX, MX, and MXGP. And it costs just as much to produce.

vtnewb wrote:
VitalMTB exists and covers DH racing, which I think has the same GNCC problem - not sure what the ROI on that coverage is though. The...

VitalMTB exists and covers DH racing, which I think has the same GNCC problem - not sure what the ROI on that coverage is though. The VItal Raw I like to watch looks pretty inexpensive to produce hah.

 

Monster is pouring a lot of money into the US downhill series and is now the title sponsor

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Cigarette and alcohol sponsership is healthier than these energy drinks.  Great that they put so much into mthe sport, but for waht?  No athlete novice to pro drinks this poison swill

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Surprised no one's mentioned PRIME. Just ask any 7-13 yr old what's cool and that's what they'll tell you. Monster's demographic has changed.

Not sure where this stuff even came from, so not a fan but that's the reality I see having young kids.

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Surprised no one's mentioned PRIME. Just ask any 7-13 yr old what's cool and that's what they'll tell you. Monster's demographic has changed.Not sure where this...

Surprised no one's mentioned PRIME. Just ask any 7-13 yr old what's cool and that's what they'll tell you. Monster's demographic has changed.

Not sure where this stuff even came from, so not a fan but that's the reality I see having young kids.

PRIME is the Paul bros poison.

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To be fair studies have allegedly been done that say a beer or two after exertion is beneficial with recoverySmile

It's not the potential benefits I'm referring to, I just find it amusing that the US Gubmint decided to make it illegal for "vice" products to...

It's not the potential benefits I'm referring to, I just find it amusing that the US Gubmint decided to make it illegal for "vice" products to be advertised where certain demographics might be exposed to them but their replacements may also potentially pose significant health risks.

Might be time to lobby to get things changed so they can have the 2025 Coors SuperDuperStarterCross Series promotional material printed before A1. 🤔

Besides, the alcohol and tobacco girls were much hotter than the painted plastic ones they trot out nowadays. 🤘 And my studies have shown you stood a much better chance of wanting to smoke a Camel a few hours after splitting a 12-pack of Coors with one of them than wanting to vape some CBD after sharing some Monster with one. 😄

Bring on the coconut water girls launching free microdoses to the upper deck! 🍄 

 

This man is a genius and we need to protect him at all costs. 🤣

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SPYGUY wrote:

Let's join hands and pray that the ATV numbers continue to fall.

Can you imagine SX or Pro MX racing the day after ATV's ruined the track?

PNWMXer wrote:

Sure can at the local level…my usual track had a full weekend only for quads. Completely f…d the track up. 

Our local race series allows a handful of quads to race on bike race days totally ruining the track.  I wonder if they realize how many...

Our local race series allows a handful of quads to race on bike race days totally ruining the track.  I wonder if they realize how many riders like me don’t race with them because of this.

Its sort of a good and bad with the quads, if conditions are good they make the track worse. If its a mudfest they do make some of these trails rideable by getting rid of that top layer of thick nasty shit. 

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It was a good run.  It's not just the moto industry.  Our company sales are down 32% (capital equipment).  Companies are struggling.  

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PNWMXer wrote:

Sure can at the local level…my usual track had a full weekend only for quads. Completely f…d the track up. 

Our local race series allows a handful of quads to race on bike race days totally ruining the track.  I wonder if they realize how many...

Our local race series allows a handful of quads to race on bike race days totally ruining the track.  I wonder if they realize how many riders like me don’t race with them because of this.

AMetts wrote:
Its sort of a good and bad with the quads, if conditions are good they make the track worse. If its a mudfest they do make...

Its sort of a good and bad with the quads, if conditions are good they make the track worse. If its a mudfest they do make some of these trails rideable by getting rid of that top layer of thick nasty shit. 

I'm the same. I've always felt like the people bitching about quads are no different than the Karens yelling at me for jetting my bike in my driveway at an average time of day.  Fuck off, it's like 15 min of noise. 

Do they mess up some ruts? Yes. WGAF, everyone rides the same thing. I look at it as more money for the track, local shops, etc. Everyone wins except the Karens.   

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Madmax31 wrote:

It was a good run.  It's not just the moto industry.  Our company sales are down 32% (capital equipment).  Companies are struggling.  

This is how i thought the discussion would go when i posted the topic, instead of how shit they are for you😂

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A lot of moto-involved companies are downsizing right now. With news like this the rumor might be true..Monster might actually be done with 450 Kawi and...

A lot of moto-involved companies are downsizing right now. With news like this the rumor might be true..Monster might actually be done with 450 Kawi and PC Teams.

PC and Factory Kawi are both Monster supported teams in 2025 FYI

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It's not the potential benefits I'm referring to, I just find it amusing that the US Gubmint decided to make it illegal for "vice" products to...

It's not the potential benefits I'm referring to, I just find it amusing that the US Gubmint decided to make it illegal for "vice" products to be advertised where certain demographics might be exposed to them but their replacements may also potentially pose significant health risks.

Might be time to lobby to get things changed so they can have the 2025 Coors SuperDuperStarterCross Series promotional material printed before A1. 🤔

Besides, the alcohol and tobacco girls were much hotter than the painted plastic ones they trot out nowadays. 🤘 And my studies have shown you stood a much better chance of wanting to smoke a Camel a few hours after splitting a 12-pack of Coors with one of them than wanting to vape some CBD after sharing some Monster with one. 😄

Bring on the coconut water girls launching free microdoses to the upper deck! 🍄 

 

TalinH112 wrote:

This man is a genius and we need to protect him at all costs. 🤣

Nothing to fear Sir 🫡

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Cigarette and alcohol sponsership is healthier than these energy drinks.  Great that they put so much into mthe sport, but for waht?  No athlete novice to...

Cigarette and alcohol sponsership is healthier than these energy drinks.  Great that they put so much into mthe sport, but for waht?  No athlete novice to pro drinks this poison swill

You're not even close with both statements.

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