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Those HRC red bikes were dialed !
Whatever setup they have is killing it. How you gonna be Jett when he's top 3 every single start
Yep, seems unbeatable, but I don't know what you mean about another bike. He's already on the 25.
Another brand.
With Hondas history of dropping-losing their top guys, the brothers will likely be on a different brand by 27-28.
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Honda usually waits until a guy is at least 26-27 before dropping them. Jett has a few years before he is that old.
The dad is mechanically minded and has a good eye for the bike, pair that with the countless hours he's watched his boys and you have a bike tailored for them, perhaps they have cracked the code of how a rider should ride a bike and how the bike should be for the rider.
You over estimate the dad.
He’s good but he’s non factory-Honda good.
I'm not saying he's doing all the wrenching himself, he's putting what he see's forward and the factory mechanics set it up, like a team.
Lars has spoken very highly of him and is very involved with the bike.
wait until HRC start using a scoop tyre
That bike looks like it was tailored and built specifically for Jett and built with his every dimension in mind.
Kinda like Kawi and RV.
Now no one can win on it because they don’t ride like him (or Tomac).
You’re right, but I think the cost of keeping the brothers, both base salary and the constant win bonuses, will probably drive Honda to push them out before then. The way Jett is performing now seems sustainable for 7-8 more years, he doesn’t ride on the edge like a lot of others have.. I’m sure Honda COULD pay them, but in the past they seem to find a “reason” to push top guys out when they’re expensive to keep. It’s a business..
Which begs the question…does winning directly correlate to sales and profitability??? Or do teams only want to win a little bit?
They want to win absolutely as much as the budget allows. Money matters always.
Jett has such a neutral riding style focus on his riding technique that he would be the same on every bike. There's nothing revolutionary about his bike. Honda has been setting up their bike very neutral and balanced for years. Seely, when at Factory Honda, had the best everyone-could-ride it kinda bike for years. The problem is that today, his competition is SO lost in their setup that their bikes is worse than stock. Tomac with his riding style and his out of this planet set up will never beat Jett in a 10+ races series with his bike and trying to outdo his best Tomac. Eli will never be better than he ever was by doing more of what he's doing. A broken clock is right twice a day so sometimes his package will work and he will be competitive, like moto 1 in Texas. Forks helped him on the choppy bumps & lack of traction. We saw in SX how he struggled in soft dirt and deep ruts... Same goes for Chase. Stop with the GNCC forks and the sag set at 95mm. Stop using the scoop tire on hard pack to start in front. You can't compete on the track against a guy better than you using the ridght tire even if you start in front of him. It works for Deegs cause he's head and shoulder above everyone else. Guys should ride on a bike that goes well on any dirt and terrain. That's what Jett and Hunter have. That's what Seely had at Honda. At this point, to beat Jett, you can't set up a bike to the liking of the riders. You have to set it up the way it should be working...
Did you think Eli's bike looked as bad in SMX as in SX? I thought his forked looked better (more hold up) then SX.
This may be a stupid question, but what are the hallmarks of how Tomac sets up his bike?
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Answer to question one is yes, to a point.
Honda answered the second question when RC went to Suzuki.
At the end of the day, end manufacturer has to decide how much more they are willing to pay for “brand awareness” within the demographics of the team’s audience.
I’d argue a win is less valuable now than it was in the past, as there are many more channels to get in front of said audience. But a winner also has built a brand on those new channels so signing them for access to their audience is valuable.
Maybe Honda is willing to pay more for longer now than they were in the past.
Super high in the rear to compensate for his abusive clutch and throttle use.
It has been spoken of plenty of times in here that the wierdo setups put your bike in a narrow window. Like chases super soft forks that dive under braking. It’s not strange that you will loose the front sometimes if you have a riding style that push the front end a lot and then pair it up with soft forks.
He have said that he struggle with his shock during SX, and that’s not strange that you will get a problem with your shock if you go to the extremes with the fork.
This is why some of us in here say that Chase should start focusing on riding his bike in a neautral way instead of banging his head against the wall and demanding the impossible out of the bike.
But as soon as we say that someone has to mention another guy with a wierdo setting from the past history that made it work.
But the relevant thing in this is if that guy had to face a competitor with a good setup and perfect riding style?. Chase and Eli are up against the most perfected rider to this date. And how are you gonna beat that guy by doing worse?.
Honda lost RC because they were chasing js7 and couldn’t afford to offer big contracts to both of them. By the time they figured out they had lost the js7 sweepstakes they had soured RC on racing for Honda.
Well said!
Neither of them were "great" starters before moving to that 450. They are pretty much 1,2 every start now. It's obviously on the rider to pull the start, but there is something going on with that bike to see that much improvement and consistency. They are rarely if ever outside the top 3-5.
Jett were often up there on the 250. But getting a holeshot on a crf250 in those days against a Star Yamaha or any other factory bike were a tough task at hand.
But as someone else said, if Honda has the technology why can’t the 250 guys start the same?.
They use the same electronics and im pretty sure that they use the same type of clutch.
And RC had that ACL issue and that used to be worse than it is now. They thought he would not be the same rider after the surgery.
Kawasaki has more of a history of letting Top guys go than Honda has. In my recent memory anyway.
RC and Stew left .
MC left because of the bike.
Sexton left because he wanted to. At the time he was not loving the bikes and I'm sure being a team mate with Jett and Hunter might have had something to do with it too.
Roczen left after some contract things. But at that time I would argue that Sexton was trending to be better than him most days, or very close in speed. Plus they had the Lawrence brothers. Imagine if they still had Sexton ,Kenny and the brothers! That would be a wild team.
Curious if Eli 2015 450 Honda was setup similar as he sets up his Yamaha today. Because no matter how good Jett is, he ain't beating Tomac when he goes 1min 20 sec over Dungey on that Honda.
1) The Honda 450s have something special going on with the starts and that is a HUGE advantage. Put Jett in 8th and he probably does not win Vegas. Put Hunter behind Eli on lap 1 and he probably does not beat him.
2) I love how Eli rides. So much fun to watch and so much fun to ride that way IMO. Eli is not changing at this point. Scoop tire may not be the smartest choice but he likes it so...
3) RC4 had a "weird setup" according to many. Enough said.
They had to work the 250's hard because they were underpowered compared to the Yamaha and kawi's, having to struggle off the start in the 250 class is what has made them so good on the 450’s.
Add being 30-40lbs heavier than his competition on that slower Honda. His starts were decent on a 250, they're great on a 450. Now Hunter, I don't have an explanation for lol
Respectful question, DV - how would you explain RC's setup all those years of championships? His bike was far from neutral, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
Would you attribute that to his just flat out refusal to lose if there was any way to win?
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