If You Could Change One AMA Rule

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4/6/2024 11:56pm

Bring back the 80's catapult Miller High life supercross "Longest jumper"

Remember back in the Pontiac Silverdome, think it was around 80 to 84, Some dude jumped from the Beginning of the jump, out of a sharp/short  left hander 5 feet from the turn,. Landed right on the left turn berm that was at least 2 thousand feet. Ok maybe 200 feet. but it was something nobody did on a 2 stroke in those days. He sent it, Big time to collect $500 bucks.

 Wish I could find my pics of it.

Amazing; Evil Knievel shit..

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4/7/2024 12:08am
bvm111 wrote:

Why would you want to limit the 250 two stroke to run unmodified against hyper modified 4 strokes? 

TeamGreen wrote:

This is something that’s done right in Canada: a 250 is a 250. 

Richy wrote:
Canada, Australia, UK, most of Europe, etc... "we're just not there yet" this far down the line is a pathetic, cop out, 'nothing' response. Nobody made...

Canada, Australia, UK, most of Europe, etc... "we're just not there yet" this far down the line is a pathetic, cop out, 'nothing' response.

Nobody made Honda and Kawi stop making two strokes. KTM and Yamaha happily and profitably continue. It's their own choice in both cases. Neither have a right to restrict the others use of their own product or a teams/riders choice or budget of engine package. Honda hasn't earned any appeasement or a right to say other people can't race.

I'm absolutely beating on this dead horse right now, again, I know, but fter all this time fans STILL want this change and they will try all this gimmicky bullshit without just giving people what they want.

You are forgetting AMA Pro Supercross and AMA Pro Motocross are controlled by the manufacturers, not amateur riders or the fans.

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TeamGreen wrote:

This is something that’s done right in Canada: a 250 is a 250. 

Richy wrote:
Canada, Australia, UK, most of Europe, etc... "we're just not there yet" this far down the line is a pathetic, cop out, 'nothing' response. Nobody made...

Canada, Australia, UK, most of Europe, etc... "we're just not there yet" this far down the line is a pathetic, cop out, 'nothing' response.

Nobody made Honda and Kawi stop making two strokes. KTM and Yamaha happily and profitably continue. It's their own choice in both cases. Neither have a right to restrict the others use of their own product or a teams/riders choice or budget of engine package. Honda hasn't earned any appeasement or a right to say other people can't race.

I'm absolutely beating on this dead horse right now, again, I know, but fter all this time fans STILL want this change and they will try all this gimmicky bullshit without just giving people what they want.

You are forgetting AMA Pro Supercross and AMA Pro Motocross are controlled by the manufacturers, not amateur riders or the fans.

Not forgetting, but I appreciate your point 👍

I don't want to turn this into one of those threads, but it seems crazy half of the manufacturers made a decision to stop making them, so nobody can use them, or those manufacturers will throw their toys out of their pram 🤯

Even Beta could show up with a two stroke.

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TeamGreen wrote:

This is something that’s done right in Canada: a 250 is a 250. 

Richy wrote:
Canada, Australia, UK, most of Europe, etc... "we're just not there yet" this far down the line is a pathetic, cop out, 'nothing' response. Nobody made...

Canada, Australia, UK, most of Europe, etc... "we're just not there yet" this far down the line is a pathetic, cop out, 'nothing' response.

Nobody made Honda and Kawi stop making two strokes. KTM and Yamaha happily and profitably continue. It's their own choice in both cases. Neither have a right to restrict the others use of their own product or a teams/riders choice or budget of engine package. Honda hasn't earned any appeasement or a right to say other people can't race.

I'm absolutely beating on this dead horse right now, again, I know, but fter all this time fans STILL want this change and they will try all this gimmicky bullshit without just giving people what they want.

You are forgetting AMA Pro Supercross and AMA Pro Motocross are controlled by the manufacturers, not amateur riders or the fans.

You don’t think the manufacturers have any say in Canada, Australia, UK and most of Europe?

Don’t forget the actual manufacturers, means Japan and Austria, as well the UK and Italy now, with Triumph and Beta, and soon with Ducati.

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4/7/2024 12:36am

Allow Stark bikes in 250 races with limited power. 

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Richy wrote:
Canada, Australia, UK, most of Europe, etc... "we're just not there yet" this far down the line is a pathetic, cop out, 'nothing' response. Nobody made...

Canada, Australia, UK, most of Europe, etc... "we're just not there yet" this far down the line is a pathetic, cop out, 'nothing' response.

Nobody made Honda and Kawi stop making two strokes. KTM and Yamaha happily and profitably continue. It's their own choice in both cases. Neither have a right to restrict the others use of their own product or a teams/riders choice or budget of engine package. Honda hasn't earned any appeasement or a right to say other people can't race.

I'm absolutely beating on this dead horse right now, again, I know, but fter all this time fans STILL want this change and they will try all this gimmicky bullshit without just giving people what they want.

You are forgetting AMA Pro Supercross and AMA Pro Motocross are controlled by the manufacturers, not amateur riders or the fans.

CPR wrote:
You don’t think the manufacturers have any say in Canada, Australia, UK and most of Europe? Don’t forget the actual manufacturers, means Japan and Austria, as...

You don’t think the manufacturers have any say in Canada, Australia, UK and most of Europe?

Don’t forget the actual manufacturers, means Japan and Austria, as well the UK and Italy now, with Triumph and Beta, and soon with Ducati.

You forgot Spain!

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4/7/2024 2:10am Edited Date/Time 4/7/2024 2:11am
Press516 wrote:

Eliminate the homologation rule.  Let bikes like TM race… 

jmo443 wrote:
That would be cool but also open the door to a private team of sorts to make something that no one could afford and have a...

That would be cool but also open the door to a private team of sorts to make something that no one could afford and have a bike better than a factory bike. Atleast that’s what I think it would do… If not I don’t see why they wouldn’t. 

True, so the homologation numbers should just be adjusted.

100 bikes would be a good number, no ?

(If so, then Fantic-Yamaha, Sherco, TM and maybe some more may want to play too)

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4/7/2024 4:38am Edited Date/Time 4/7/2024 4:39am

Reverse order gate picks based on SEASON points (not the nights qualifying times that ended so badly in the 70s).

I have a feeling that we are coming on a few years of Jett runaways, ala Mcgrath & Carmichael, and would like to head that off.

Perhaps, try it out in the first two heats of a Triple Crown to see if the racing is more interesting to the fans. I know the riders wont like it.

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4/7/2024 4:57am Edited Date/Time 4/7/2024 5:02am

I get where shimoda is coming from (given his bad starts) but staggered starts would mean the race is pretty much decided in qualy and you can actually rename supercross to startercross then

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You are forgetting AMA Pro Supercross and AMA Pro Motocross are controlled by the manufacturers, not amateur riders or the fans.

CPR wrote:
You don’t think the manufacturers have any say in Canada, Australia, UK and most of Europe? Don’t forget the actual manufacturers, means Japan and Austria, as...

You don’t think the manufacturers have any say in Canada, Australia, UK and most of Europe?

Don’t forget the actual manufacturers, means Japan and Austria, as well the UK and Italy now, with Triumph and Beta, and soon with Ducati.

You forgot Spain!

Is Bultaco making a comeback?!……Lo siento

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4/7/2024 6:06am
CPR wrote:
You don’t think the manufacturers have any say in Canada, Australia, UK and most of Europe? Don’t forget the actual manufacturers, means Japan and Austria, as...

You don’t think the manufacturers have any say in Canada, Australia, UK and most of Europe?

Don’t forget the actual manufacturers, means Japan and Austria, as well the UK and Italy now, with Triumph and Beta, and soon with Ducati.

You forgot Spain!

CPR wrote:

Is Bultaco making a comeback?!……Lo siento

Penton is!

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4/7/2024 9:19am
zehn wrote:

250 2T in the 250 class, stock from intake to exhaust port 

Why would this be needed?

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You forgot Spain!

CPR wrote:

Is Bultaco making a comeback?!……Lo siento

Penton is!

Yeah, no. 

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4/7/2024 11:11am Edited Date/Time 4/7/2024 11:12am
zehn wrote:

250 2T in the 250 class, stock from intake to exhaust port 

OW38B wrote:

Why would this be needed?

Because the factory teams get all pissy when privateers riding done up 2 strokes make their 4 strokes look bad off the starts.

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4/7/2024 11:13am

If you could CHANGE a rule, but to Vital that means reconstructing the entire series. 

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4/8/2024 7:23am

Instead of working for the AMA, he'd have a brighter future at  NASA telling people they lost the technology to go to the moon. 😂

Isn't that a wild interview with the NASA employee 

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PRO - Double the current points structure and pay points to the entire field both indoors and out. It ridiculous that someone builds a $$$ 250F, qualifies for a national, and comes out with no points. How do you market the current ROI to potential sponsors for the guys who need it most when 20-40 goes home with nothing.

AM: The AMA prohibition on helmet mount cameras is ridiculous. Enough with that one already.

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Nighttrain wrote:
125, 250, and Open classes for MX. 250 and Open for SX.  No special treatment for 4 strokes or rotary engines. Electric bikes can only race...

125, 250, and Open classes for MX. 250 and Open for SX.  No special treatment for 4 strokes or rotary engines. Electric bikes can only race Open class.

Love that idea. We’d have three mains.

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4/8/2024 11:14am
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    I'm with AP on this one. I also agree with Bloss. Regional 250 SX points should not count towards earning a top 100 National...
 

 

I'm with AP on this one. I also agree with Bloss. Regional 250 SX points should not count towards earning a top 100 National number.

I don't see why the regional 250 SX points are a problem.


Yeah, the riders are only competing against half the field of riders.  But, they are also only riding half the races.  So it's not like they have some huge advantage over 450 riders.

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mark_swart wrote:
PRO - Double the current points structure and pay points to the entire field both indoors and out. It ridiculous that someone builds a $$$ 250F...

PRO - Double the current points structure and pay points to the entire field both indoors and out. It ridiculous that someone builds a $$$ 250F, qualifies for a national, and comes out with no points. How do you market the current ROI to potential sponsors for the guys who need it most when 20-40 goes home with nothing.

AM: The AMA prohibition on helmet mount cameras is ridiculous. Enough with that one already.

Not everyone gets a trophy.

(F1, only the top 10 gets points, MotoGP only the top 15 get points)

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4/8/2024 11:31am

Starts on dirt, not grates, not concrete pads. Dirt. You race on dirt , you start on dirt. 

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4/8/2024 11:37am

You are forgetting AMA Pro Supercross and AMA Pro Motocross are controlled by the manufacturers, not amateur riders or the fans.

With teams like HEP being up front in the 450 class I don't think we need factory teams anymore. I don't think it matters if the manufactures get pissed off. We don't really need them in the way we may have 10 years ago. Privately built bikes are just as good as a factory bike. Even better in some cases i.e. Yamaha.

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4/8/2024 11:45am
nealb129 wrote:

Starts on dirt, not grates, not concrete pads. Dirt. You race on dirt , you start on dirt. 

Although it was funny watching idiots in amateurs 20+ yrs ago on cement pads sit there burning the hell out of their rear tire trying to "heat it up" or put some rubber down for a better start. I'll never forget one kid's dad had him burn through like 1/4in of knobbies and still ended up mid pack.  The start is half the race and it's sad to see today these guys have all these devices that takes so much of that talent and ability out of the equation.  

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-MAVERICK- wrote:
    I'm with AP on this one. I also agree with Bloss. Regional 250 SX points should not count towards earning a top 100 National...
 

 

I'm with AP on this one. I also agree with Bloss. Regional 250 SX points should not count towards earning a top 100 National number.

RichieW13 wrote:
I don't see why the regional 250 SX points are a problem. Yeah, the riders are only competing against half the field of riders.  But, they...

I don't see why the regional 250 SX points are a problem.


Yeah, the riders are only competing against half the field of riders.  But, they are also only riding half the races.  So it's not like they have some huge advantage over 450 riders.

Regional class. National number. 

They didn't count towards earning a top 100 for the longest time. 

Everyone gets a trophy.

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4/8/2024 1:21pm
zehn wrote:

250 2T in the 250 class, stock from intake to exhaust port 

OW38B wrote:

Why would this be needed?

chad_111 wrote:

Because the factory teams get all pissy when privateers riding done up 2 strokes make their 4 strokes look bad off the starts.

Sounds to me their bikes are slow.

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4/8/2024 1:52pm
OW38B wrote:

Why would this be needed?

chad_111 wrote:

Because the factory teams get all pissy when privateers riding done up 2 strokes make their 4 strokes look bad off the starts.

OW38B wrote:

Sounds to me their bikes are slow.

Pretty brain dead take, a built 250f is never going to compete fairly with a built 250 2T which were once the premier bikes. The whole point of 250 equivalence is to make for fair racing for both bikes and every other major organization that has equivalency rules restricts 250 2T bikes to stock everything from intake to exhaust port.

I mean sure if your goal is to make the 250 class a 2T class then let them run 60+ hp bikes but that would never fly with the current manufacturers

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4/9/2024 5:15pm

250 SX be a national class with all 17 rounds. No more east west. 
 

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4/9/2024 5:58pm

The stupid rule not allowing the use of helmet mounted cams. You cant tell me its not safe if you give the pro guys a pass that they can run them. 

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Production rule. The premier class in MX in the USA runs production based bikes. NHRA, MotoGP, MXGP, and F1 are huge because of prototypes, so is Dakar. Pretty sure Tony Bou's bike isn't production based either. Joe nobody at Creek flats raceway can build a bike ineligible for AMA's premier MX/SX class in this country. Doesn't make sense.

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