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When I get my Stark on a hitch hauler behind my cool motovan, I'm going to have to beat the women off with a stick.
A stick won't be effective enough. You're gonna need a taser.
A tether is a must. They have them on trials bikes for safety in case the bike gets away from the rider and trials bikes do like 10mph in 1st-4th. Even a 60hp version is way to much for average riders. A 450 is pushing appox. 54hp so we can't act like 60hp isn't insane
How many riders are going to dial down the power on these things? Smart riders do it for track/conditions but the average joe is going to set that shit to 80hp and send it regardless of skill.
Starks are the equivalent of a fast af 450 so allowing anyone with no experience on one of these is just asking for a hospital visit.
Don’t tell me what to do.
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Yah I think You might get some people running the max setting and it not working out well. But why would You not turn the power down to the level its most fun??? Nobody else will know but the rider. So they will be ripping around on the bike that everybody knows is a HP monster. Its up to them to tell anybody what HP level they are on. If its too high to be fun, who wouldn't turn it down?
Right now anybody can go buy a 450 or a number of other things that could kill them without any restrictions. Let's say if I had never ridden before. I'm 6'9" and 270-320 pounds depending on what I ate most recently. If I walk into a dealer , my size. What beginner bike do I buy?? With a Varg I could buy a bike that my skills could evolve with. Start out on the lower power settings. And have a great chassis to learn on. And then turn up the power as I feel comfortable. And not have to buy another bike right away as I get better. And also not have to relearn the chassis , etc. What do I buy to learn on in a gas version? Yes people could get hurt. And some will. But I believe that overall it should make it easier for an adult to learn on. and progress as they get better. Perhaps Stark will develop a setting for beginners that will sense a whisky throttle type movement and dull the response down.
I could list off a long list of things that You could kill yourself with. But not many would read it. The Varg and other electric powered bikes allow for a type of control over the power that is not possible with gas power. That can make the bikes both safer and higher performing.Maybe I have more faith in people than I should. Overall I feel like electric can do more good than harm. But I also think that some education could go a long way in preventing issues like injuries , fires, etc. I suspect it will not be as steep of a learning curve as it was for people that went from a Horse to a motorcycle. You gain a lot more control over power delivery. But You also have the ability to go faster, faster.
Do we get rid of everything that could be misused that would cause injury?
Ittl mostly be taking al the undergarments off the horns.
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How the hell can somebody spill such bulls..t in public and everybody around him keeps a straight face! I‘d be on the floor laughing and pissing my pants…
Here's a pro rider riding the Varg on a pro national track.
He got to ride it for 30 min, then jumped back on his 350, let's just say he did not need time to adjust to the novelty and had good fun and great time with it.
^ I came here to post this. Alex Martin sure likes the Varg.
Guy Martin and others going 'round and 'round on the beach :
https://youtu.be/BxTAEaXv7FY
Crazy he was two seconds faster on the varg than his own bike! A stock varg even.
For the lazy: Alex was 2 secs a lap faster at Millville after 5 laps on the Stark than his relatively stock (pipe and wheels) Gas Gas 350 that he has been riding there for a few months. Alex liked the torque but was uncomfortable jumping the Stark due to its reactiveness in the air.
Conditions were deep and loamy, similar to national prep. He used the bike with 50, 60, and 80 hp maps, and actually found all 80 hp usable due to the deep soil prep.
I got one ride on my Stark and then a week later tried to start it up and it started smoking! So, less than one hour and it is fried. The one hour was good fun though!
That's an expensive hour!
How is Stark's customer service?
Dirt BIke (Dec issue) did a "ride impression", not a full test of the Varg for two days. They liked it, said there is a big learning curve to riding it.
The big deal killer. At Glen Helen, a charge with a pro riding the bike lasted 40 minutes. That means you can get a practice and one moto out of it. Better have an extra battery for it. Even charging at 220, there's a 2 hour recharge time. LOL.
This ain't no long term test, two days is nowhere close to properly evaluating a bike in the real world. 2 days of "new thrill, gee whiz, this is great" don't cut it.
We are about to find out. I am sure they are going to try their best to claim I caused the problem, however I can't figure out how anyone could cause this issue. Everything was fine on it. Bike was all good until it was not.
Like all consumer products, it needs to be idiot proof, they may need to improve their product!
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I'm honestly impressed that a pro got 40min out of it at Glen Helen, that's a pretty brutal track for a battery to have to withstand and that's better than I would have guessed.
I do have to question this supposed steep learning curve though, everyone who has ridden my Varg has been comfortable on it almost immediately, and I had zero issues getting used to it. I think a lot of these magazine guys way overstate the differences from bike to bike and saying there is a steep learning curve with the Stark is a little bit ridiculous IMO.
I'd be suicide for them to not cover it under warranty. New company, new technology.... people need to know they're not gonna get f****ked if they buy one of these things. It sure as hell would hurt sales if they don't take care of you....image is everything.
We'll see how many start having issues now that these hit the public. Again....this is why a real-world, hard-core, objective long term test by a legitimate publication (like MXA) needs to be done.
I think it's under 2 years warranty? From the handful cases I've seen online, Stark had reacted in a matter of days and at no charge at all for their customer. Let's see how that works out for you, fingers crossed.
Hope so. The big question is who fixes it and how do they troubleshoot this issue? I would expect something with the battery caused the issue. Maybe, they have a rep out here in Socal who can look at it.
For an example check out this guy vids. I'm not saying you got the same issue, just that there are real cases where Stark customer service resolved issues at hand quite quickly.
First vid, his Stark got a serious issue making it unrideable
Second vid, Stark troubleshooting the Varg over the air
3rd vid, Stark fixed his bike
Obviously first vid "My varg got a problem" gets 300 k views while "Stark fixed my bike" gets 20 k views
Pro rider on pro track gets 40 min range? Did not expect that much, that sounds terrific! So average Joe rider is gonna get 1h or more in the same conditions.
In short you're saying the major downside of an electric bike is that you have to charge it? Wow, thanks for the heads up, you should definitely spread the word so that no one gets tricked by this!
Yeah, what a shame a battery can't be filled with a jug in a matter of seconds.
Yeah, and what a shame you have to wait a little longer to ride a bike that can't hit a false neutral on a jump face and send you hurtling into the surgical center.
You don't get faster in plaster.
I am curious to hear from Varg owners how they schedule their charge at the track.
You could probably get 2 or 3 20 min motos without the need to charge so just charge once during lunch break and be done with it, go back for another 2 or 3 motos in the afternoon.
It may be more practical to charge after each moto, like if you ride 20 min and charge 40 min (220 V) you should be able to start each moto with close to full range and be able to ride all day?
"You could probably get 2 or 3 20 min motos without the need to charge..."
That depends on the type of track you ride and your skill level.
With all electric bikes it will likely be a case of if you aren't riding it you're charging it.
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