It’s now safe to say that Jett Lawrence was the fastest teenager our sport has ever seen.

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11/21/2023 6:26pm

I thought it would take Jett a year to acclimate to the 450 class; i was wrong.

Imagine, going 22-0 in your first 450 class champ, and barely being challenged, only 1 crash in 22 moto's, very few mistakes with "managing" 2-3 second gaps, no chokes in the last few races as the "undefeated" pressure mounted ..... 

New GOAT coming....good dude, great personality, good sense of humor, good family, good for the sport.

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11/21/2023 6:31pm
RACING wrote:

I'd go with Stew. 

 

agree but only between crashes....................Unsure

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IDK what people are so mad about. A 19 y/o had a perfect outdoor season in the premier class. That's insane. Sorry it didn't happen when...

IDK what people are so mad about. A 19 y/o had a perfect outdoor season in the premier class. That's insane. Sorry it didn't happen when we were all in our own teenage years (which, as everyone knows,THE best era of MX is always whatever era it was when one was a teenager), but I don't see how you can argue against it. He was the best in the world, in the premier class, period. He backed it up with a moto win at MXoN. Yes, other teenagers have shown absolutely blazing speed. Others have had insane races like Villo at Budds MXoN in 07 or Stew at Budds in 03. But no one did it over and over and over again like Jett, and definitely not in the premier class. Get over it folks, this is easily the most impressive year a teenager has ever had in our sport. 

Agreed.

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11/21/2023 8:22pm

James Stewart was and will always be the fastest teenager...ever...no doubt about it.

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11/21/2023 11:14pm

As far as teenagers, I think RC would have given Jett the most fits outdoors, but I still think Jett would have beaten The Goat if they had both been racing against each other Rookie seasons.  Jett is also one of the smartest young riders I've seen and had James Stewart and Jett Lawrence raced the Outdoors premier class their rookie seasons, I'd think there would be times James might have jumped out to a lead, but Jett would have Dogged him like a Bloodhound until Bubba had one of his spectacular yard sales with Kawasaki parts flying all over the place.   Rookie seasons in premier class Supercross, Jett would have smoked both of um, NO CONTEST!

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11/21/2023 11:42pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2023 11:48pm
decano51 wrote:

and Jett went to 450 MX at 19? 

studworx wrote:

You stated they were older… which they weren’t. Don’t try manipulate your argument lol

Yz450fkid wrote:
James debuted at 16 in 125. Raced 3 seasons and went 450 in sx at 19 and a few weeks. Ricky debuted at 17. Raced 2...

James debuted at 16 in 125. Raced 3 seasons and went 450 in sx at 19 and a few weeks.

Ricky debuted at 17. Raced 2 full season. Then 3rd sx season went up to 450/250 at 19. Then dropped back down for mx then went back up at 20. He raced 2.5 seasons of lites class and didn't race 450mx till he was 20.

Jett debuted at 16. Raced 3.5 seasons of 125/250. Then went 450 at 19 in mx. 

So it's not as clear as you are trying to make out. Ricky was the oldest to race there last small class race. Jett was the oldest to race there 1st big bike race. All Raced there 1st 450 race at 19. 

Context is everything, while the ages are similar, Jett came in as a foreigner not being familiar with the tracks, competition and everything else that comes with that, unlike Stew and RC who were products of the ‘system’.
The added difficulties that comes with being a foreigner cannot be overstated. It’s got to be worth a couple of extra years imo. Which makes his accomplishments to date even more extraordinary.
Also remember Jett came in with little to no SX experience……

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Flatliner wrote:

Didnt reynard win his first national? bradshaw won a 250 supercross young.

I wouldn't compare Robbie Reynard to Jett Lawrence. Reynard was a bad dude, but cmon...

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11/22/2023 12:31am
Boomslang wrote:

James Stewart was and will always be the fastest teenager...ever...no doubt about it.

Fastest, yes. Based on current performance, Jett is #1.

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Maybe not the fastest, but definitely the smartest and most mature at that age. Barely did we see a young talent managing a race from the...

Maybe not the fastest, but definitely the smartest and most mature at that age. Barely did we see a young talent managing a race from the front like he did so far. He doesn't care if he smokes the field by 30 seconds and I think it's impressive to watch how he always finds an extra gear whenever we think someones closing in on him.
I truly believe we have never even seen Jett going 100% so far and I hope it doesn't stay like that for the next years..

In terms of just speed it's hard to argue against guys like Stew or Herlings who went all out every single moto and were only satisfied if they smoked the field by 50 seconds. What Jett does is more impressive though imo.

 

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I'm in two minds about this. Is he "really" managing these 3 - 5 second gaps?  If he really does have extra speed to spare why...

I'm in two minds about this.

Is he "really" managing these 3 - 5 second gaps?  If he really does have extra speed to spare why not eek out a 10-15 second gap and manage it from there?

Managing smaller leads is fine until you have a tip over and lose the lead...an average tip over it what...6 - 8 seconds?

Isn't Chase the answer to your question?

There is a limit. Rare the few who have managed to ride over it for long.

The smartest pushed it when they needed to and didn't when they didn't.

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As far as teenagers, I think RC would have given Jett the most fits outdoors, but I still think Jett would have beaten The Goat if...

As far as teenagers, I think RC would have given Jett the most fits outdoors, but I still think Jett would have beaten The Goat if they had both been racing against each other Rookie seasons.  Jett is also one of the smartest young riders I've seen and had James Stewart and Jett Lawrence raced the Outdoors premier class their rookie seasons, I'd think there would be times James might have jumped out to a lead, but Jett would have Dogged him like a Bloodhound until Bubba had one of his spectacular yard sales with Kawasaki parts flying all over the place.   Rookie seasons in premier class Supercross, Jett would have smoked both of um, NO CONTEST!

Jett hasn't even raced Premier class Supercross yet but ok

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11/22/2023 7:54am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2023 7:54am

I think this statement misses some context in the early 2000s and heavily discounts James racing a bike that was half the displacement of his competitors especially in 04/05. 
 

He was so good it didn’t seem to matter what bike he was on. Jett is amazing but how would his record look if he’d been on a CR125 and CR250 the last three years?

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11/22/2023 8:15am
IDK what people are so mad about. A 19 y/o had a perfect outdoor season in the premier class. That's insane. Sorry it didn't happen when...

IDK what people are so mad about. A 19 y/o had a perfect outdoor season in the premier class. That's insane. Sorry it didn't happen when we were all in our own teenage years (which, as everyone knows,THE best era of MX is always whatever era it was when one was a teenager), but I don't see how you can argue against it. He was the best in the world, in the premier class, period. He backed it up with a moto win at MXoN. Yes, other teenagers have shown absolutely blazing speed. Others have had insane races like Villo at Budds MXoN in 07 or Stew at Budds in 03. But no one did it over and over and over again like Jett, and definitely not in the premier class. Get over it folks, this is easily the most impressive year a teenager has ever had in our sport. 

That all good and all, except the fact he was 20. 

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Sebastian Torttelli imo was fastest big bike rider ever as a teenager.  But he crashed alot . Got hurt alot . He was at his fastest while a teen and got slower as time went on .  Because of being always injured.     Js7 was the fastest small bike rider teen .     Then there are other rider who if you are picking on pure raw speed are ahead of jett, who never even won championship s . Ie . RR17 ,Bradshaw   etc .  Jett is definitely in the conversation for best ever teen rider tho .   

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11/22/2023 8:23am

It's always difficult to compare different era. From Marty Smith to Ronnie Lechien to Damon Bradshaw et Sir James Stewart of course, all have been mega fast teenager. I'd say it's now safe to say that Jett Lawrence is the most consistant teenager our sport has ever seen... 

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Flatliner wrote:

Didnt reynard win his first national? bradshaw won a 250 supercross young.

EuroGuy39 wrote:

I wouldn't compare Robbie Reynard to Jett Lawrence. Reynard was a bad dude, but cmon...

We are talking speed . RR 17 . Was nt  consistent ,was hurt alot . Had bad arm pump problems. But on his day no one could touch him including RC4 .    There's a few riders have been like him . Like Tallon Voland . he was nt a teen at the time . But when he was on .he was unreal fast  , he was all over the place doing it . But there was time s when he was the fastest mx rider in the world.   But could crash out next race or just not have it. 

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11/22/2023 8:31am

Fastest teenager will always be debatable, but the guy has had a year to remember for sure.

Stack it against other 450 rookie years and it's decent!  

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11/22/2023 8:53am

Remember that one time stew raced a 250f?

……..Gone!! In a different time zone..

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11/22/2023 9:25am

Remember that one time stew raced a 250f?

……..Gone!! In a different time zone..

Yeah, that was actually crazy to watch. I watched it on TGO and they showed the gap to second...........................................................................................................................Lol.

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11/22/2023 10:40am

No one can compare riders from today to say the 80s, even 70s,

the bikes are so much different for one, I mean, what would a 18,19 year old Lechien, Johnson, etc. do on todays equipment.

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Just stop it...

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Maddog55 wrote:
No one can compare riders from today to say the 80s, even 70s, the bikes are so much different for one, I mean, what would a...

No one can compare riders from today to say the 80s, even 70s,

the bikes are so much different for one, I mean, what would a 18,19 year old Lechien, Johnson, etc. do on todays equipment.

But that kinda proves the statement correct. With 2023 tech Jett is the fastest teen we’ve seen. Jett 2023 is going a lot faster then 2003 Bubba. 

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11/22/2023 12:58pm
Flatliner wrote:

Didnt reynard win his first national? bradshaw won a 250 supercross young.

EuroGuy39 wrote:

I wouldn't compare Robbie Reynard to Jett Lawrence. Reynard was a bad dude, but cmon...

brimx153 wrote:
We are talking speed . RR 17 . Was nt  consistent ,was hurt alot . Had bad arm pump problems. But on his day no one...

We are talking speed . RR 17 . Was nt  consistent ,was hurt alot . Had bad arm pump problems. But on his day no one could touch him including RC4 .    There's a few riders have been like him . Like Tallon Voland . he was nt a teen at the time . But when he was on .he was unreal fast  , he was all over the place doing it . But there was time s when he was the fastest mx rider in the world.   But could crash out next race or just not have it. 

Pretty much what I was going to say,

 

Winning your first national is still special.

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If you ever saw James Stewart smoke the entire field of 250 4t on a 125 2t then you know 

BlastPastBUBBAscrub

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11/22/2023 1:29pm
HonDawg17 wrote:

Where do I pay to remove the daily Jett Lawrence threads???

This whole forum has turned into fondling Jett’s balls and pushing electric bullshit.

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11/22/2023 1:32pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2023 1:32pm
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If you ever saw James Stewart smoke the entire field of 250 4t on a 125 2t then you know 

If you ever saw James Stewart smoke the entire field of 250 4t on a 125 2t then you know 

BlastPastBUBBAscrub

Bubba raced a weak field his entire lite’s career 

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11/22/2023 1:38pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2023 1:46pm
spimx wrote:
If you ever saw James Stewart smoke the entire field of 250 4t on a 125 2t then you know 

If you ever saw James Stewart smoke the entire field of 250 4t on a 125 2t then you know 

BlastPastBUBBAscrub

decano51 wrote:

Bubba raced a weak field his entire lite’s career 

He raced multiple national and world champions, and he gave them a 125cc advantage to boot. 
 

James Stewart raced 31 125 nationals. He won 28. All three of those losses were mechanical DNFs. 

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11/22/2023 1:45pm

Racer X forgot that James Stewart existed...wtf. I'm convinced Stewart could have easily beat Jett in the NOW 250 class on his KX125. Not even close.

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11/22/2023 1:51pm

Remember that one time stew raced a 250f?

……..Gone!! In a different time zone..

kxking wrote:

Yeah, that was actually crazy to watch. I watched it on TGO and they showed the gap to second...........................................................................................................................Lol.

After the race (Glen Helen) he said something to the effect "riding this 250F is like cheating!"  It was the only time he ever raced a 250F - It was the final national of '06 and the next year he was 250 (2-stroke) full time.

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