No ride for Ferrandis?

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Andrew314 wrote:
I can’t believe there are 6 pages of this. Who really cares? Frenchy with that dirty mop on his head isn’t ever going to win another...

I can’t believe there are 6 pages of this. Who really cares? Frenchy with that dirty mop on his head isn’t ever going to win another 450 championship. He’s a 5-10 place guy on the best bike out there. Just let him go back to France in peace. 

1920 called and wants it’s xenophobic attitude back.

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Outdoors would be better with Ferrandis. 

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If Dylan went to TLD GasGas, he'd have to get out of his Thor contract, Bell contract, and Monster contract. Massive pay cut, the team pay...

If Dylan went to TLD GasGas, he'd have to get out of his Thor contract, Bell contract, and Monster contract. Massive pay cut, the team pay wouldn't be as high as those three deals.

Secondly, Dylan was actually supposed to be TLD's first 450 guy and was in negotiations with them...ended up moving to 450s with Star instead and Barcia got the spot with GasGas instead. There's a story that floated around about how the negotiations went and something that happened along the way. I won't post it because I haven't been able to confirm if it was true but if so, it sorta makes me think they wouldn't consider him in the future.

RACING wrote:

And you'll never ever put Ferrandis and Barcia under the same awning.

Boomslang wrote:

You may be surprised....

Weren't they under the same awning when they were both on star?

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10/27/2023 6:01am
RACING wrote:

And you'll never ever put Ferrandis and Barcia under the same awning.

Boomslang wrote:

You may be surprised....

JustMX wrote:

Weren't they under the same awning when they were both on star?

Barcia never rode for star. 

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10/27/2023 6:38am
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If dylan wanted to race bad enough he would be out there, if he is set on his price tag. So be it.  This is where...

If dylan wanted to race bad enough he would be out there, if he is set on his price tag. So be it.  This is where we are.  

UpTiTe wrote:

I don’t know his price tag, but half of Adam’s current contract is pretty low. 
 

 

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1 contract probably, but when we add on everything (monster, gear, etc), they are far from the middle class. (Thanks to Monster etc btw) That is...

1 contract probably, but when we add on everything (monster, gear, etc), they are far from the middle class. (Thanks to Monster etc btw)

That is why I think any top guy on a bad musical chair year should get rid of that ego and sign any incentive contract. We all root for underdogs anyway. 500k when you add everything or above is already fucking indecent in this world where 5 billion people have less than 500 bucks a month with zero wealth management thing. It is a sport of lucky people from day 1 so if you can take x amount, then take it Smile And if you are above that, then good for you.

He’s got a few million in the bank and could probably retire, he’s not going to risk life and limb for 150k, no matter how good the average worker thinks that is. 

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I hate to say this but….stay in shape and wait for one to a few SX races into the season and history tells us there will be a factory bike without a rider due to injury.  Despite what some say here he is still a top 5 MX 450 rider and maybe a SX podium on the right night.  Since the cost of the team and support is mostly already spent/committed, a team would be just plain stupid to not pick up rider of Dylan’s level for basically just the cost of the rider.  SX season would be about getting the bike out there just in the race and the focus could be getting ready for MX where he is a regular podium contender. If it were me then that sounds like a better option then a factory support ride….unless a team can find the $ he is worth.

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Shred wrote:
I hate to say this but….stay in shape and wait for one to a few SX races into the season and history tells us there will...

I hate to say this but….stay in shape and wait for one to a few SX races into the season and history tells us there will be a factory bike without a rider due to injury.  Despite what some say here he is still a top 5 MX 450 rider and maybe a SX podium on the right night.  Since the cost of the team and support is mostly already spent/committed, a team would be just plain stupid to not pick up rider of Dylan’s level for basically just the cost of the rider.  SX season would be about getting the bike out there just in the race and the focus could be getting ready for MX where he is a regular podium contender. If it were me then that sounds like a better option then a factory support ride….unless a team can find the $ he is worth.

…or the money he thinks he’s worth.

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10/27/2023 8:57am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2023 9:10am
UpTiTe wrote:

I don’t know his price tag, but half of Adam’s current contract is pretty low. 
 

 

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1 contract probably, but when we add on everything (monster, gear, etc), they are far from the middle class. (Thanks to Monster etc btw) That is...

1 contract probably, but when we add on everything (monster, gear, etc), they are far from the middle class. (Thanks to Monster etc btw)

That is why I think any top guy on a bad musical chair year should get rid of that ego and sign any incentive contract. We all root for underdogs anyway. 500k when you add everything or above is already fucking indecent in this world where 5 billion people have less than 500 bucks a month with zero wealth management thing. It is a sport of lucky people from day 1 so if you can take x amount, then take it Smile And if you are above that, then good for you.

UpTiTe wrote:
He’s got a few million in the bank and could probably retire, he’s not going to risk life and limb for 150k, no matter how good...

He’s got a few million in the bank and could probably retire, he’s not going to risk life and limb for 150k, no matter how good the average worker thinks that is. 

My post may have been misinterpreted as I totally agree with you, and the value shown by the employer is also a mark of respect (even 0k in a 2 rider team that open a 3rd spot is also a big effort and a mark of respect). I just think that with the extras (300k gear, 500k energy, 100k paris, 2 or 300k smx, and why not 200 or 300 with wsx etc) + bonus, even with no base salary or 150k, a rider of that caliber is still more in the 1 to 2 mill gross before tax depending on the results. Maybe he doesn't need it as much as 10 years ago but that is still some very decent money tbh, better than nothing, for me I would take a cut a season knowing next years could be better. That is also somewhat respecting money as we are not all that priviledged globally and many many jobs are also risky, for instance nobody cares about white collars but NY is the best place to have an heart attack, a truck driver deals with the road, mechanicals, etc, many construction jobs are sketchy on safety (i.e. thousands deaths to make the soccer world cup), etc etc.

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10/27/2023 9:06am
Andrew314 wrote:
I can’t believe there are 6 pages of this. Who really cares? Frenchy with that dirty mop on his head isn’t ever going to win another...

I can’t believe there are 6 pages of this. Who really cares? Frenchy with that dirty mop on his head isn’t ever going to win another 450 championship. He’s a 5-10 place guy on the best bike out there. Just let him go back to France in peace. 

you utter twat..

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10/27/2023 9:46am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2023 9:46am

Interesting how so many people seem to presume he really wants to race.

If you were independently wealthy but worked because you were good at what you did and got paid well but then got fired and the only job you could find paid you a fraction of what you were earning would you really bother? Especially if your job has a high risk of death or severe injury ?

Personally I’d invest my millions in US T bills right now and drink beer while I watch my wealth grow with zero risk to my health. 

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Question wrote:
My post may have been misinterpreted as I totally agree with you, and the value shown by the employer is also a mark of respect (even...

My post may have been misinterpreted as I totally agree with you, and the value shown by the employer is also a mark of respect (even 0k in a 2 rider team that open a 3rd spot is also a big effort and a mark of respect). I just think that with the extras (300k gear, 500k energy, 100k paris, 2 or 300k smx, and why not 200 or 300 with wsx etc) + bonus, even with no base salary or 150k, a rider of that caliber is still more in the 1 to 2 mill gross before tax depending on the results. Maybe he doesn't need it as much as 10 years ago but that is still some very decent money tbh, better than nothing, for me I would take a cut a season knowing next years could be better. That is also somewhat respecting money as we are not all that priviledged globally and many many jobs are also risky, for instance nobody cares about white collars but NY is the best place to have an heart attack, a truck driver deals with the road, mechanicals, etc, many construction jobs are sketchy on safety (i.e. thousands deaths to make the soccer world cup), etc etc.

These numbers are so far off. You think Dylan’s getting a personal energy drink deal worth $500k?! 😂😂

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10/27/2023 10:54am

Pourcel all over again 

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His wife just posted a pic on her story of him all geared up at 421 mx park, in North Carolina. Where phoenix honda rides often. The upside down bell helmet sitting on the table even looked like it might’ve had a red paint job already Sideways. Interesting.

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His wife just posted a pic on her story of him all geared up at 421 mx park, in North Carolina. Where phoenix honda rides often...

His wife just posted a pic on her story of him all geared up at 421 mx park, in North Carolina. Where phoenix honda rides often. The upside down bell helmet sitting on the table even looked like it might’ve had a red paint job already Sideways. Interesting.

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Like I have said before. He will end up with a good ride and the dude seems to work his ass off. Who cares where he is from. He is a great rider and fun to watch. 

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10/27/2023 12:14pm

Pourcel all over again 

Pourcel has one championship. How many does Dylan have?

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10/27/2023 12:26pm

Pourcel all over again 

Pourcel has one championship. How many does Dylan have?

Pourcel had a world championship, 2 sx titles and just missed out on back to back 250 mx titles all after suffering a crash that left him paralyzed for a time and lose of some of his intestinal  track causing major health issues for the rest of his life. Both guys were not as hard to deal with as people make it seem to be.

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Pourcel all over again 

Absolutely not. At all.

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His wife just posted a pic on her story of him all geared up at 421 mx park, in North Carolina. Where phoenix honda rides often...

His wife just posted a pic on her story of him all geared up at 421 mx park, in North Carolina. Where phoenix honda rides often. The upside down bell helmet sitting on the table even looked like it might’ve had a red paint job already Sideways. Interesting.

But his jersey is black and green. 

Does that mean he's gonna race AC's Kawi with Phoenix Honda's help?

Laughing

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Pourcel had a world championship, 2 sx titles and just missed out on back to back 250 mx titles all after suffering a crash that left...

Pourcel had a world championship, 2 sx titles and just missed out on back to back 250 mx titles all after suffering a crash that left him paralyzed for a time and lose of some of his intestinal  track causing major health issues for the rest of his life. Both guys were not as hard to deal with as people make it seem to be.

Not to hijack, crazy how he didn't end up with any factory ride in 2011, with how good he was in 09-10.

 

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Question wrote:
My post may have been misinterpreted as I totally agree with you, and the value shown by the employer is also a mark of respect (even...

My post may have been misinterpreted as I totally agree with you, and the value shown by the employer is also a mark of respect (even 0k in a 2 rider team that open a 3rd spot is also a big effort and a mark of respect). I just think that with the extras (300k gear, 500k energy, 100k paris, 2 or 300k smx, and why not 200 or 300 with wsx etc) + bonus, even with no base salary or 150k, a rider of that caliber is still more in the 1 to 2 mill gross before tax depending on the results. Maybe he doesn't need it as much as 10 years ago but that is still some very decent money tbh, better than nothing, for me I would take a cut a season knowing next years could be better. That is also somewhat respecting money as we are not all that priviledged globally and many many jobs are also risky, for instance nobody cares about white collars but NY is the best place to have an heart attack, a truck driver deals with the road, mechanicals, etc, many construction jobs are sketchy on safety (i.e. thousands deaths to make the soccer world cup), etc etc.

These numbers are so far off. You think Dylan’s getting a personal energy drink deal worth $500k?! 😂😂

Yup, I don't know if it can be 500k, maybe just a hundred but some numbers are also correct. I don't know the deals because everything is so ridiculously secret. Wasn't Alps deal a mill ? RedBull too ? Isn't a guy with 4 c-ships who do like 8 podiums in a year and not just a top 10 or top 15 getting a sort of a deal ? 30-50k googles ? 50-80 helmet ? 50-80 boots ? 100-200 gear ? Let us get some real numbers from agents instead of guessing based on rumors from x or x. 

How much did Jett get this year, 10 gross before tax and before agent and trainer ? (I don't believe the 13 spilled by Ryno)

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Yup, I don't know if it can be 500k, maybe just a hundred but some numbers are also correct. I don't know the deals because everything...

Yup, I don't know if it can be 500k, maybe just a hundred but some numbers are also correct. I don't know the deals because everything is so ridiculously secret. Wasn't Alps deal a mill ? RedBull too ? Isn't a guy with 4 c-ships who do like 8 podiums in a year and not just a top 10 or top 15 getting a sort of a deal ? 30-50k googles ? 50-80 helmet ? 50-80 boots ? 100-200 gear ? Let us get some real numbers from agents instead of guessing based on rumors from x or x. 

How much did Jett get this year, 10 gross before tax and before agent and trainer ? (I don't believe the 13 spilled by Ryno)

Those, from what I've read or heard on podcasts are all inflated.

 

No chance Astars is anywhere even approaching that.

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Flatliner wrote:

Those, from what I've read or heard on podcasts are all inflated.

 

No chance Astars is anywhere even approaching that.

You'd be surprised... total comp for his A-star deal could be over a million.

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Pourcel had a world championship, 2 sx titles and just missed out on back to back 250 mx titles all after suffering a crash that left...

Pourcel had a world championship, 2 sx titles and just missed out on back to back 250 mx titles all after suffering a crash that left him paralyzed for a time and lose of some of his intestinal  track causing major health issues for the rest of his life. Both guys were not as hard to deal with as people make it seem to be.

Flatliner wrote:

Not to hijack, crazy how he didn't end up with any factory ride in 2011, with how good he was in 09-10.

 

CP377 had to much trust in his agent and the pull of Kawasaki Japan in the Kawasaki USA team decisions. And Mike Fisher did what RV2 asked: do not bring another potential number 1 rider in the team and they went with Weimer...

The second time was maybe even worse, picking Millsaps - Hahn team above CP377. Will Hahn crashed in the third corner of his first practice lap at A1 and was out for the SX season... and the combination Hahn and injuries weren't flukes but safe bets...

Looking back at CP377 his career he should have signed that outdoor only contract with Geico Honda after his Pro Circuit time but both Valli Yamaha as Motoconcepts Yamaha where offering higher pay, and if I'm correct, he was a day away from signing with Valli Yamaha (where back than some former Pro Circuit people worked), but his agent called him with the message: let us go for Motoconcepts they are paying better and that is the same bike... Also stupid mistake because he trusted his agent and went along with what he said: "same bike" and rushed in signing. Afterwards it came clear he didn't test the MC Yamaha. Because that bike behavior was different then Valli Yamaha their bike.

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10/27/2023 4:07pm
Flatliner wrote:

Those, from what I've read or heard on podcasts are all inflated.

 

No chance Astars is anywhere even approaching that.

DunnySeat wrote:

You'd be surprised... total comp for his A-star deal could be over a million.

I'm calling Bs on that 

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Sounds like it went well today. 

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Doesn't look like retirement.

😁

Très bonne nouvelle. 

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