Why would Beta not get Ferrandis?

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Edited Date/Time 8/27/2023 4:23pm

It seems like the obvious move. Beta is coming in with a new 450 team wanting to make a splash and Ferrandis is the only recent 450 champ without a ride. Hes been the clear 3rd best guy in the class outdoors for a while this year, he would get Beta guaranteed podiums.
 

I understand Bloss or Nichols as the 2nd guy on the team but they need a #1. Dylan is pissed off at the other manufacturers right now and feels like he has something to prove. Seems like a good match. I know he can be really picky and vocal about the bike, but if they want to get some wins they need a Dylan level rider. KTM went out and got Dungey and it sent the team on a massive upward trajectory, Beta would look a lot better getting some wins here and there and a ton of podiums vs always getting 6th-14th.

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Budget.

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1. They can't pay him

2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP... 

3. He'll be 30 next May, so his window is closing

4. He made enough money to pick a better bike and focus on results rather than a paycheck

5. He'll be more competitive on a "privateer" effort like MotoConcepts or HEP than on a Beta

To sum it up, they can't pay him and can't give him a competitive bike, why would he sign there? Might as well retire if that's the only option... 

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8/27/2023 4:27pm

So Motoconcepts or HEP has a bigger budget then a factory effort next year. Not a good sign for Beta 

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dv12.com wrote:
1. They can't pay him 2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP...  3. He'll be 30 next May, so his...

1. They can't pay him

2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP... 

3. He'll be 30 next May, so his window is closing

4. He made enough money to pick a better bike and focus on results rather than a paycheck

5. He'll be more competitive on a "privateer" effort like MotoConcepts or HEP than on a Beta

To sum it up, they can't pay him and can't give him a competitive bike, why would he sign there? Might as well retire if that's the only option... 

But other that that........

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8/27/2023 4:31pm
mb60 wrote:

So Motoconcepts or HEP has a bigger budget then a factory effort next year. Not a good sign for Beta 

You totally missed the point...

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8/27/2023 4:33pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2023 4:34pm
mb60 wrote:

So Motoconcepts or HEP has a bigger budget then a factory effort next year. Not a good sign for Beta 

Beta would be foolish to sink most of their operating budget on a top tier rider vs. spending that money on development. Gotta crawl before you can walk. Star, HEP, Motoconcepts didn't sign a top tier rider from the jump. It takes time and money to build.

WSX spent a ton on Kenny for star recognition and look how that panned out...

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It seems to be more about a competitive bike vs. a race budget? Am I wrong?

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mb60 wrote:

So Motoconcepts or HEP has a bigger budget then a factory effort next year. Not a good sign for Beta 

I believe Beta's budget is coming from Beta USA, not the manufacturer. 

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dv12.com wrote:
1. They can't pay him 2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP...  3. He'll be 30 next May, so his...

1. They can't pay him

2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP... 

3. He'll be 30 next May, so his window is closing

4. He made enough money to pick a better bike and focus on results rather than a paycheck

5. He'll be more competitive on a "privateer" effort like MotoConcepts or HEP than on a Beta

To sum it up, they can't pay him and can't give him a competitive bike, why would he sign there? Might as well retire if that's the only option... 

So, you are saying there is a chance??Silly

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8/27/2023 5:09pm

Clearly, he should sign with TM then, that will be the answer.

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mb60 wrote:

So Motoconcepts or HEP has a bigger budget then a factory effort next year. Not a good sign for Beta 

dv12.com wrote:

You totally missed the point...

Beta does not have the budget I get that . But 2 teams not getting money from the factory teams can. How did  Booko afford you ? 

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Who is likely to be with Kawasaki next year? I know i'm stoopid.

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mb60 wrote:

So Motoconcepts or HEP has a bigger budget then a factory effort next year. Not a good sign for Beta 

dv12.com wrote:

You totally missed the point...

mb60 wrote:
Beta does not have the budget I get that . But 2 teams not getting money from the factory teams can. How did  Booko afford you...

Beta does not have the budget I get that . But 2 teams not getting money from the factory teams can. How did  Booko afford you ? 

He’s not saying they can pay him either. He’s saying that they have a better bike. If you can’t get paid from either of the teams you might as well go with the one that will give you a more competitive bike. 

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Nairb#70 wrote:

Who is likely to be with Kawasaki next year? I know i'm stoopid.

AC and Anderson are both locked in at Kawi for next year.

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Is mitch evans out of contract this year.

If so kawai should hire dylan f

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8/27/2023 6:05pm

Ferrandis is younger than Mookie, ET, Barcia, Ando, Craig... etc

The fact that he's a champ and doesn't currently have a ride in mindblowing to me.

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The reason is simple. Beta is SX only team for ‘24. Dylan is great outdoors, but has no 450 SX results to speak of. Colt had some pretty decent results last season. Plus he’s much more of a fan favorite and probably a lot easier to work with while building a new bike and race team. 
 

If Beta was going outdoors only Dylan would be at the top of the list! 
 

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studworx wrote:

Ferrandis is younger than Mookie, ET, Barcia, Ando, Craig... etc

The fact that he's a champ and doesn't currently have a ride in mindblowing to me.

Alot of it has to do with timing im sure. If those other guys are signed threw 24 and dylan 23 there's only so many spots. Even tho I would sign Dylan over mookie and Craig, there already locked in for another year. Also tomac was sapost to retire so they might of planned of re signing Dylan until the tomac injury and comeback

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8/27/2023 7:13pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2023 7:15pm
studworx wrote:

Ferrandis is younger than Mookie, ET, Barcia, Ando, Craig... etc

The fact that he's a champ and doesn't currently have a ride in mindblowing to me.

BCA2010 wrote:
Alot of it has to do with timing im sure. If those other guys are signed threw 24 and dylan 23 there's only so many spots...

Alot of it has to do with timing im sure. If those other guys are signed threw 24 and dylan 23 there's only so many spots. Even tho I would sign Dylan over mookie and Craig, there already locked in for another year. Also tomac was sapost to retire so they might of planned of re signing Dylan until the tomac injury and comeback

Yea the timing is definitely what’s killing him. He’s in a weird spot where everybody is locked in to their contracts already. That said as much as it sucks, someone is definitely going to get hurt and hed be a great fill in until a contract spot opens up. That is if he doesn’t just go HEP or Motoconcepts. It is possible though as low of a chance as it is. 
 

On one of the podcasts weege had actually suggested that as rare as it is in our sport, with the way things worked out it could be possible he sits out a year and then signs next year once spots open up. I think that’s an absolute last case resort if someone doesn’t get injured, he goes to HEP or Motoconcepts, or he doesn’t just outright retire (which is a high probability). 

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8/27/2023 7:22pm

What about MXGP? Too late?

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I have no idea what Beta’s budget is for SX/MX.  I doubt anybody looked at an annual report.  If you know how to read an annual report a person might be able to get a feel for what the budget and plans are.  Reading an annual report is business 101 in profiling a company.  

At a simple level they might want to see how competitive they are before they throw money around.  I’d agree with the above walk before run comment.
 

 

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Nairb#70 wrote:

What about MXGP? Too late?

Not interested.

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8/27/2023 8:07pm
mb60 wrote:

So Motoconcepts or HEP has a bigger budget then a factory effort next year. Not a good sign for Beta 

No, but they have a proven bike that he could win on. 

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could he be a test rider for some team with wildcards? HRC test rider? yeah thats a bit wild but hey

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dan22 wrote:

could he be a test rider for some team with wildcards? HRC test rider? yeah thats a bit wild but hey

Based off of how he was chasing settings during outdoors, I'm not sure he's very good at testing. And besides that, HRC already has Trey Canard who is good at testing.

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studworx wrote:

Ferrandis is younger than Mookie, ET, Barcia, Ando, Craig... etc

The fact that he's a champ and doesn't currently have a ride in mindblowing to me.

Yep. He is also faster then all of them around a MX track.

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Im 99,9% sure Husky doenst have anyone outdoors 24 even they have couple riders on payroll but they will find excuse to miss racing part. 

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A few weeks ago, one of the managers at Star said they're trying to work something out, but they needed to see some results.

Hopefully he gets a good ride this year.

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Im 99,9% sure Husky doenst have anyone outdoors 24 even they have couple riders on payroll but they will find excuse to miss racing part. 

Was Pourcel on a Outdoors only deal with Husky in (one of?) his last season of US Racing?

Has Mookie ever got to the outdoors during his Husky ride?

Is RJ Hampshire down to ride the 450s for Husky next year?

Just questions. 

I do hope Ferrandis gets a ride, but eventually, things will no longer line up with both a Riders Wishes and Expectations, and Teams Wishes and Expectations.

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Pop Shmoke wrote:
It seems like the obvious move. Beta is coming in with a new 450 team wanting to make a splash and Ferrandis is the only recent...

It seems like the obvious move. Beta is coming in with a new 450 team wanting to make a splash and Ferrandis is the only recent 450 champ without a ride. Hes been the clear 3rd best guy in the class outdoors for a while this year, he would get Beta guaranteed podiums.
 

I understand Bloss or Nichols as the 2nd guy on the team but they need a #1. Dylan is pissed off at the other manufacturers right now and feels like he has something to prove. Seems like a good match. I know he can be really picky and vocal about the bike, but if they want to get some wins they need a Dylan level rider. KTM went out and got Dungey and it sent the team on a massive upward trajectory, Beta would look a lot better getting some wins here and there and a ton of podiums vs always getting 6th-14th.

"The obvious move"...

L.O.L.

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