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Yep, I am not going to buy one but I really like following the progress. I am definitely interested in a Surron or something like it.
and whether we like it or not Elec mx bikes will be a big part of MX/SX down the road.
Yah most people have no clue what their bikes MPG's are. That is the point . But they may have an idea of how long they can ride on a tank. Or at least how often they have to top it off.
They could go out and ride through a tank and time it. If they thought it was going to be that close that it made a difference. Knowing if and when they need to recharge would give them an idea of if the bikes range would work or not. Since like you said its going to take longer to recharge the Electric bike. It is BECASUE of the longer time to recharge that a tank full type measurement makes sense. It eliminates more of the variables than giving a ridetime in minutes or hours would .
At some point batteries will hold multiple tankfulls of range. Realistically the guys riding for 6 Hours are not riding as hard as Tomac the entire time . So basing Your range on what He can do is ridiculous. If I went out trail riding I could ride for hours on a single 450 tank. But might run out in 45 minutes of MX track time. Same machine , different runtime in minutes, but I still knew that I would need to fill up for the second half of my moto's.
Bingo
Core? I am soft and fluffy 👍. Self Control, like posting about a electric bike in the proper sub forum, that would be self control. I mean, how Core are you?🤡
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There are Pros and Cons to them just like any bikes. If You just focus on the negative's without taking the good into account You are being biased. Just like if you do the opposite.
That Dust bike sounds like it might be a fun bike that is between a Varg and Sur-ron. I know that Electric will not work for everybody. I can see places that it will be amazing though and the many upsides are what excite me about electric powered MX bikes.
Many of the downsides of Electric were also present with the earlier Gas powered motorcycles. But without many of the upsides.
Range, weight , recharge time and Price are the big issues people have with Electric right now. Range will go up, weight, recharge time and price will come down. I agree that all of those things can be problems for a segment of people. But there are also local racers on bikes they put 25K plus into including the bikes. That ride ( 4) 6 lap motos per week . The guys who want it early will pay more for it. In another 10 years or so, MX could end up being much more affordable than it is now if electric MX bikes follow the path of every other form of tech.
A manufacturer like Stark could base a motorcycle off a bike like the Varg . And build it for the street by changing out wheels suspension and bodywork. Keep the frame and motor. And sell 10,000's to markets like india or other areas that short range transportation is needed.The overall number of bikes built off the same frame , motor and battery's would make them cost less per bike. Less R&D for a motor and trans if you develop the most extreme application first and then just downgrade from there.
I’m shocked….get it?
I might be wrong but I believe mpg has more to do with throttle opening than RPMs.
It’s an electric motocross bike and belongs in the moto forum where all things moto are discussed deal with it being in your face and quit throwing all your toys out the crib. I am core enough to like all things moto, maybe you should try it. Nice emoji’s…
If you have to tell people you are core, you ain’t core. People are going to have a different opinion, maybe even thrown in your face. Deal with it, Core guy👍⚡️
I can't wait for an MXA full blown test. I wonder why Stark hasn't coughed up a bike to them yet.
It will need one more tooth on the rear sprocket.
Does it still have only 6.5 kWh? That is less energy than one liter of gas. Even if the efficiency is three times better, that would still mean you have an equivalent of ca. two liters of gas in your tank...
I watched a vid on YouTube
He did say was a great bike but
Bloke was not that happy with the wheel almost touching the swingarm the chain guide was way to small for a decent size chain and as for the stand 😁
Anyway cover them in deep mud clay sand like the UK gets 8 months of the years with those two things your not going help your battery life
Down as there's not room for the wheel to go any further forward and varg don't maken another size as yet just tusk
The few of you complaining that "social media people" get their bikes first, Josh Hill was part of the early development of the darn bike alongside Seb, and if you havnt noticed (since you seem to pay so much attention in a product you clearly dislike), Josh is the freakin background photo on every Stark phone.
Not too far fetched to imagine they had an agreement regarding him receiving bikes...Who knows.
But, cool, you are winning. Shutting down yet another type of riding as "no one does that so it doesn't count".
Go touch grass please.
You do know that chains come in different lengths, right?
The efficiency is much higher than that. A ice dirt bike has terrible efficiency (also bc it was never a priority). Lower than 20%, while an electric drive train as simple (one set of gears and a chain) as the Vargs can have 90%.
This debate will only be settled by racing the bike and side by side comparisons with 450s.
And then it’s a personal choice: live with a limited range and the inconvenience of charging and have the fastest, most adaptable bike with very little maintenance or ride a standard bike which you can ride 24/7.
Pit Row
A longer chain fixes that!
Stark's CEO is claiming 15% efficiency for an ICE motocross bike...
https://electriccyclerider.com/2022/05/27/interview-with-stark-future-founder-ceo-anton-wass/
The 15% efficiency would be peak efficiency, at partial throttle openings and idle, an ICE engine's efficiency will be much lower.
Gasoline has 33.6 megajoules per liter, or 9.3 kWh, 450f's typically have 6.3 liter tanks, so 58.6 kWh per tank, at 15% efficiency that's 8.8 kWh.
Stark claims 95% electric motor efficiency...
so 6.5 kWh batter at 95% = 6.2 kWh.
They aren't the same, but while decelerating an ICE motocross bike is consuming fuel, while the Varg will be generating electricity.
Only real world side by side comparisons will show if the Stark's claim of equivalent range to a 450f fuel tank is true.
Alright guys, take a deep breath, it's ok if you don't like the Varg, it's ok if it doesn't suit your needs or way of riding, not everything in the entire universe has to be designed to your requirements.
Just enjoy whatever bike you're riding and let others get excited about this new bike, to each their own.
I mean there are some Yamaha guys, others like KTM better, whatever suits you. I've heard that in some dark corners of the world there are some people riding Harley Davidsons and even some poor souls that never swung a leg over a motorcycle 😱
Hakuna Matata.
Talking of Harleys (never thought I would be), I caught some of that Bagger racing series the other day... That's some wild shit 😂
Varg wise, I'm skeptical and naturally distrust these slick turtle neck guys with all the answers, but the thing obviously works (for some highly disputed period of time) and the Josh Hill videos have been cool.
I don't hate it, I'm just not sold yet and I'll never completely ditch petrol until I absolutely have to. Kind of a "from my cold dead VP jug" deal...
At peak torque E motors like Stark have around 88% efficiency. IC closer to 25%.
Consensus is Stark will have 15 to 20 minutes at most with a pro riding, IF the battery, inverter, or particularly the extremely sensitive and uncooled, rotor magnets do not overheat. There are indications from bikes in the wild that battery life may not be the range limiter under heavy use, but parts overheating and 5he bike going to 15% limit will be.
Of course none of the major Stark boosters, including the factory have any curiosity regarding the truth here.
@Goldmember you've got a new username!
He changed his user name because of all the BS he posted just to post the same BS again. That’s not how it’s done bro.
However, I love how put with things like „Consensus is…“ in front of the BS to give it some weight.
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I don't care if they lasted 3 hours on a charge, so I guess you could classify me as an Electric MX bike hater, because listening to that awful whiney noise they make and then hearing Ken Roczen at 1:12 into this video going through the whoops and listening to the rear wheel slapping around is pure awfulness. They look cool, but I'll NEVER! own one, because I don't want to ever be grouped in with the Soy Latte drinking Woke crowd that is pushing this Electric everything agenda. Can you imagine a gate full of these things at an AMA National. Good way to kill the sport.
^ Agreed ^
This same sounds are happening on ICE bikes but the exhaust note covers it up.
You will never have to worry about hearing a Stark on ICE bikes if it passes you.
*New AMA race class rule change:
450s have to weigh 242lbs minimum and the gas tank can only be 1.3 gallons.
Let’s do 30min +2 with a pro rider on a deep sand track.
It will have its own class, it will be a great fun bike for many and you will always have the haters.
However, many will switch because until they make their own class all the ICE owners will get real tired of never having a chance to get a holeshot.
How many Vargs have been delivered in the US.
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