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Yamaha has been developing and testing their electric trials bike for years now at a pro level. For sure they are not spending millions and flying ten engineers for a TrialGP in Europe to make a bitchin new trials bike, but actually most definitely using trials as a platform to test and develop. Lower publicity, but lot of the same type of applications in a new technology like this.
Kenichi Kuroyama has been the rider to compete with this bike for a while now. Results are pretty much the same as he had with the combustion engine four stroke Yamaha he was previously riding.
Any thoughts on this? I find this obvious and really, really interesting.
Fake news. Why bother with the bull shit MX in the header?
Typical of the misleading garbage the E industry is renowned for.
Yeah, the oil industry on the other hand is known for being honest and ethical 🤣
Because I think motocross is the reason for the whole project. There is absolutely no money for a company like Yamaha to be made in trials.
It's for corporate virtue signalling is my bet.
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MX is such a small percentage of Yamaha and the other Japanese brands. When Yamaha releases an electric MX bike, it will be after they have perfected or darn near perfected the electric motor and batteries for the gazallion other two wheeled scooter and street bikes they sell to third world countries.
Yes, you are probably right, it must be for research for other applications as I don't think Yamaha even sell a trials bike at the moment ?
( I could be wrong on that, or do they sell a Sherco or something badged as a Yamaha in Japan ?)
You are correct, they do not sell any trials bikes. They have a factory team competing in Japan, but they are all on prototype bikes.
Their factory four stroke bike has an engine that seems to be based on the current YZF250 motor.
Yamaha Europe is also partnered with a few companies on developing an E-MX bike.
It's even been featured on Vital.
Like all the other Japanese motorcycle companies, they are very large and diverse. They make e-bikes, e-golfcarts, robotic manufacturing equipment, golf clubs, A/V equipment, musical instruments etc. Yamaha is also home to an innovative "go fast stuff" research and development branch that's had its hands in just about every form going fast on wheels for decades.
What you’re currently witnessing are the Japanese manufacturers watching what market development looks like over the next few years. Stark, Sur Ron, etc are doing the dirty work for them, and if the market develops, they will enter it. Sur Ron is likely half the price of what Yamaha, Honda, etc E-Bikes will retail for, so they’ll not only need to know there is a market, but that there is a market willing to pay $10-12k for it. I’m sure it’ll happen eventually.
Considering how quick emtb are snapped up and the price they go for, I can’t imagine why there wouldn’t be a market for electric mx bikes at around the same price
Goldmember has arrived, waiting for RACING to show up too. If there's an electric moto thread, they both have to shit on it.
I'm sorry, but trials is just not the same without the sound of a wound-up two stroke at 10,000 RPMs.
Don't some of these electric trials bikes have a conventional clutch, so you can open the throttle and get the motor spinning , then dump the clutch and fly over some obstacle
( I agree a 2 stroke sounds better than a whizzing electric motor)
The Yamaha has a clutch and flywheel
Really can't see how or where I'm shitting on anything -and can't believe you say such a thing.
Mike said what he thought after Moto Verte's Stark test. The fact that a major magazine has two distinct mechanicals with brand new 13000$ bikes and what they say about it should be put under the rug? I can assure you I didn't go to Spain to sabotage the bikes.
Will they have fire protection insurance for these? Incase your battery fails.
This is the Epure Trials Bike with a Clutch, It is not possble to describe how much fun this bike is!
No I don't think anybody is saying it should be hidden. You just sounds as biased against them with the way you presented the issues as you claim the people who are more Pro electric.
I keep asking for more details on these massive issues you talked about and You get mad and give limited info . I think everybody would like to know more details about the issues they had, what caused them and how they were fixed.
I have thought that Yamaha might be the first to have a full sized Varg like MX bike. Out of the Japanese , they are some of the more willing to jump in early, or take a little more of a chance with new tech or segments. They have become a supplier of motors and controllers for MTB manufacturers , and make other electric stuff like another person posted.
The Yamaha branded EMTB's are some of the more affordable priced bikes when compared to others' with similar specs. At least the ones I've looked at. I think a company like Honda or Suzuki that has many vehicles they could adapt a powertrain to be almost modular to work on motorcycles, atvs, sxs's and cars . They could be able to make vehicles much less expensive than pretty much anybody. They might be able to make say 6 or fewer different motors that could be configured to power pretty much any vehicle they build. It could cut the number of parts they had to make down as far as powertrain. And they could be insanely profitable or offer less expensive options.
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You do know electric cars burn a lot less per sold car than fossile driven ones? Actually half as much.
Lithium fires are no joke though and should be taken seriously. On the other hand gasoline is pretty bad if it catches fire to.
Just like if Your gas bike catches fire there are policies. Gas vehicles catch fire more often per 100K sold ( that compares data on an more even level since there are fewer E vehicles than Gas/Diesel.)and are more of a fire risk. But anything can catch fire.
I thought Yamaha was leaning more towards the hydrogen combustion route working alongside Toyota? I thought the Japs weren't sold on electric
The difference being , internal combustion vehicles usually catch fire while being driven, or at least with the engine running, so there is someone around to do something about the fire.
Electric vehicles seem to catch fire while parked, switched off and unattended, like in car parks or a garage at someone's home when they are sleeping, or like the ship carrying new VW EVs that is burning in the English channel at the .moment.
I know which fire-starting mode I prefer.
I had to laugh hard on that one. Well done
I think that while being charged is the most common time for fire with most electric stuff. But its new being used at such a scale. And just like when electricity replaced kerosene for lighting there will be a learning curve. As people learn what to do to avoid fires they will become even fewer. At one point You could smoke while filling Your car up. And store gas in containers that would never be used these days.
Anybody buying an electric bike should research and learn as much as possible and they can avoid a lot of the common things people point out as problems. Or find out that electric just will not work for them.
Why do I expect the guy in the pic to suddenly morph into a Power Ranger...
100% Id rather be nowhere near a vehicle on fire lol
Yeah, it’s click bait but harmless
How long has it been since Alta first introduced the Redshift? Am I to believe that the big five don't have the engineering firepower to develop something equal or better? They really need to screw around with trials bikes and pee-wees to develop something comparable to a Stark?
What do the big 5 know that Alta and Stark didn't/don't? I am of the opinion that if Yamaha wanted to introduce an electric motocrosser, they could probably do so without having to screw around with trials.
I... along with others... Await a YZ350F .... or FX. It's the right thing to do.
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