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Not true. People would like to believe that because we've been hoodwinked to believe that robots are perfect. As someone who has spent the better part of 30 years designing automation systems, emphatically not true. A robot typically might have 3 components, electrical, hydraulic, and or pneumatic. A slight change in air pressure or a seal that leaks will yield different results. A change in voltage might effect the performance of the hydraulic pump, a sketchy ground may allow perfect results 98 out of 100 cycles, and sometimes only less than 1% will it cause erratic result. I could go on and on. I will tell you that I have a passport with every space stamped because people around the globe could not figure out why a system went 3000 cycles perfect and then 1 cycle shit. Then I had to jump on a plane to go diagnose and repair. Same with our cars and bikes, they have intermittent issues. The most difficult problems to diagnose. I will say however, that a properly designed and proper working system outperforms a human every time.
You say that but we will all be here for the next round of component video drops
30 years in manufacturing and you don’t think quality control would catch a bunch of shit welds from the drunk guy, shit can his ass and find someone way more professional about their trade to do the job? My current bike is a TM which is about as hand made as any dirt bike is going to get and I can 100% assure you that every aspect of that bike whether it be the frame, gear box or the rear shock is top notch.
I’m just so upset that they didn’t reveal more. I’m going to put on a public display of my anger thru interpretive dance!
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Thats not even a word.
I’m glad someone got it 😂
Saw this posted on FB, too good not to share.
Ask James if that is a word.
One thing about Triumph I am interested in/ optimistic about is this is an English company. England has some of the best engine/transmission companies in the world. It’s the land of F1 engines/ transmissions etc.
Thus I’m very curious to see what they come up with in the engine department. They know what they are up against. They have access to pretty much the BEST engine folks in the world. This has a shot at being a very strong 250F in the motor department. And, Dave Arnold knows chassis stuff. Like really knows chassis stuff.
So… spit it out. Show us what you got!
Let’s all just get worked over a bike most of us aren’t going to buy.
You are under the misunderstanding that every weld is inspected on a manufacturing line!
How many hypotheticals are you going to present?
"But what if the guy is hungover? And what if the bike doesn't get inspected!?" Surely you understand that Triumph isn't some fly by night company, right? Or do you just prefer robots take every job imaginable away from humans? I can print a picture of a painting off my computer through my printer or I could buy the hand painted version. I know which one I would put more value in even if at the end of the day I have the same picture on my wall.
"But what if the guy is hungover?"
I pointed out that a skilled welder will have off days, if they are hungover the probability of them producing weld defects is higher.
"And what if the bike doesn't get inspected!?"
Every weld on every bike will not be inspected, if you worked in manufacturing you would understand not every part is inspected, when parts are inspected not every defect is detected, if you were a welder you would understand some defects can't be detected by visual inspection, Triumph will not be X-Raying and ultrasonic and destructive testing every weld.
"Surely you understand that Triumph isn't some fly by night company, right?"
Triumph is not a fly by night company, but just like every other manufacturer they do not have perfect manufacturing and quality systems, if they did why would they ever recall any product they sold...
https://www.arfc.org/motorcycles/triumph/recalls.aspx
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/owners/recalls
No manufacturing process is perfect, a skilled welder and a robotic welder will both produce defects, some may be detected, some may not and some defects may get to customers. Some defects will not be noticed by customers, some may be safety critical and catastrophic and they will be noticed. If you've worked in manufacturing you will understand this.
"Or do you just prefer robots take every job imaginable away from humans?"
That's not going to happen, but if it does I pledge loyalty to our AI/robotic overlords.
I’ll just say my curiosity is beyond peaked
And Ricky
Actually it is, its in the urban dictionary.
Maybe it describes some of the posters on this forum!
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If you are a "skilled" tradesman then it doesn't matter if you are hung over. I was a precision grinder years ago and if I couldn't hold a 0.0001 tolerance hung over, I'd quit.
LOL, good catch! Man I must’ve stared at that for like 30 seconds
I doubt you are perfect and have never made a mistake.
Chase Sexton, Eli Tomac and Jett Lawrence are all skilled professional motocross racers, but they makes mistake all the time!
It doesn't matter what your skill is or how skilled you are, mistakes happen.
And computers have notoriously never failed. Now I see your point!
This video gives me the impression this project is behind schedule. A piece meal presentation like this is atypical for Triumph, but it’s a novel product so the roll out may be a huge tease intentionally. Still, the omission of plastics tells me Triumph still hasn’t settled on the design. A missing engine, more concerningly, tells me the are deciding between prototypes. I applaud them for bringing in the heavyweights to build and test the bike, but I’m a little worried that there may be too many cooks in the kitchen. They’ve made it very clear that they want to avoid the cannondale mistake of bringing a bike to market prematurely and would like to arrive with a competitive bike from day one instead of a work in progress that will be sorted out by gen 2. That’s quite a task and has plenty of pitfalls along the way.
Either way, I hope it shows up on time and is a good bike.
I'm gonna give my 2 cents here, I think the biggest thing here between hand welding these frames and robot welding them is the variation in the welding. There is a higher probability of a human not producing the same weld frame after frame. I work in an automotive factory where everything is welded with Yaskawa robot welders and 95% of the time they are spot-on perfect. I would 100% rather have a frame that's been thrown in a robot and had a QC pass, rather than a special-build frame by the boys at rework that make 18 an hour that just know how to hold a mig stick and they don't know what the knobs on their welder do
I feel this bike might be the Cannondale MX400 of this generation
I have a made in England motorcycle and it’s hard to tell what is worse, the handmade “craftsmanship” or the poorly executed aluminum welding that caused many early frames to crack.
The good part is that these bikes won’t be made in England.
To be fair, we can turn out a shit job over here just like any other country, and it's disappointing.
We've (England) got some bodge jobs out there but also produce and supply some of the undisputed best motorsport parts for top level motorsports all around the world.
Unfortunately, like most places we have good and bad 👍
I’m not complaining, it’s just a fact.
I’ll die with the bike, I just wish it had less character.
T595 / 955i, I assume?
I love a good shear wave
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