A helmet that knows when you've crashed...

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7/21/2023 10:40am
Zycki11 wrote:
Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding.  I also...

Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding.  I also mentioned that trail riding alone is dumb for obvious reasons.  So now we stand that I have admitted the helmet GPS Emergency system they incorporated is good for trail riders, and we have extra features such as riding analytics, and lap tracker. If you are turning laps how would this have benefited your analysis with the riders? Stop watches even with human error will be more accurate. So. what is the benefit? Again, these extras that you mentioned are the money grab. Just pay or $7.99 per month for information that is slightly accurate? I am sure you would have utilized the helmets technology during your tenure as a race owner Wink.

In all seriousness, the sport is amazing and I think everyone wants what is best for it.  I am not going to sit here and continue to argue this over and over.  I am excited for Washougal and the Jett vs. Chase battle and I hope everyone has a great weekend. 

So you admit that you can now see the value in this technology for some people but still want to call it a gimmicky money grab? How does that make sense?

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7/21/2023 10:42am
ML512 wrote:
Sometimes you peel off to the side of your group and something happens, sometimes you ride near camp to play around and stuff happens. Sometimes groups...

Sometimes you peel off to the side of your group and something happens, sometimes you ride near camp to play around and stuff happens. Sometimes groups get separated. Stuff happens and it’s an extra piece of mind that could potentially save someone’s life. You have a fairly stout opinion for someone who glanced at the article and the features, and made a claim calling it a money grab without even absorbing what the product does. There’s also riding analytics, a lap tracker and other things mentioned in the announcement that hasn’t even been brought up in this thread yet.

stremme12 wrote:
He clearly read the article from his small screen on his flip phone because a smart phone with more features and advancements was too much of...

He clearly read the article from his small screen on his flip phone because a smart phone with more features and advancements was too much of a money grab for him to purchase. 

Zycki11 wrote:

Interesting that you would take shot at someone just because they question a product

You kind of deserve it.

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7/21/2023 10:52am
Zycki11 wrote:

Interesting that you would take shot at someone just because they question a product

Interesting that you would take a shot at a company for providing a product that includes extra features to users that want them.

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7/21/2023 10:53am
Zycki11 wrote:
If you provide a product with nothing but bells and whistles to charge extra while the helmet protects the same? I question the concept. Why wouldn’t...

If you provide a product with nothing but bells and whistles to charge extra while the helmet protects the same? I question the concept. Why wouldn’t you provide something that is going to prevent head injury better? Not a gimmicky sales pitch 

Because not everybody who buys helmets ride MX tracks.  Lots of people riding trails, solo etc that could benefit from this technology.

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7/21/2023 11:09am
Zycki11 wrote:
Your miss understanding the point. How does this helmet help any further? It doesn’t send a signal for a downed rider(trail riding) and the only thing...

Your miss understanding the point. How does this helmet help any further? It doesn’t send a signal for a downed rider(trail riding) and the only thing it does is flash and say you took an impact buy a new me. 
 

If you provide a product that protects your head further and helps eliminate concussions I am on board. Anyone who races knows you take a ding here and there and when to replace a helmet. 

ML512 wrote:
Incorrect. It can dial emergency services, contact your emergency contact, track your location, and send out notifications when paired when your phone. Basically, if you go...

Incorrect. It can dial emergency services, contact your emergency contact, track your location, and send out notifications when paired when your phone. Basically, if you go trail riding, you have your phone in your riding pack and this system in the helmet. If you crash hard but are moving afterward, it sends a notification to whoever you listed as your emergency contact. If you crash hard and aren't moving...it contacts emergency services and sends out your location.

Zycki11 wrote:
I stand corrected on the "emergency" capabilities.  For a trail rider it makes sense..... I still argue that it is a bell and whistle concept that...

I stand corrected on the "emergency" capabilities.  For a trail rider it makes sense..... I still argue that it is a bell and whistle concept that is a money grab. 

Dude just go buy the helmet you want to buy and quiet down. 

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7/21/2023 11:22am
ML512 wrote:
Sometimes you peel off to the side of your group and something happens, sometimes you ride near camp to play around and stuff happens. Sometimes groups...

Sometimes you peel off to the side of your group and something happens, sometimes you ride near camp to play around and stuff happens. Sometimes groups get separated. Stuff happens and it’s an extra piece of mind that could potentially save someone’s life. You have a fairly stout opinion for someone who glanced at the article and the features, and made a claim calling it a money grab without even absorbing what the product does. There’s also riding analytics, a lap tracker and other things mentioned in the announcement that hasn’t even been brought up in this thread yet.

stremme12 wrote:
He clearly read the article from his small screen on his flip phone because a smart phone with more features and advancements was too much of...

He clearly read the article from his small screen on his flip phone because a smart phone with more features and advancements was too much of a money grab for him to purchase. 

Zycki11 wrote:

Interesting that you would take shot at someone just because they question a product

You need to stop digging.

7/21/2023 12:15pm
Zycki11 wrote:

Interesting that you would take shot at someone just because they question a product

Interesting that you would take shot at a product you know nothing about and have no intension of buying. 50gwtn

 

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7/21/2023 12:21pm

After seeing this I'm somewhat surprised LitPro or someone else hasn't tried to make their own helmet with GPS tracking. Makes sense, get GPS built in and not have to worry about where to stick the separate GPS device. Seems interesting concept, it'll be weird saying "I need to charge my helmet". 

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7/21/2023 12:32pm
Zycki11 wrote:
Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding.  I also...

Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding.  I also mentioned that trail riding alone is dumb for obvious reasons.  So now we stand that I have admitted the helmet GPS Emergency system they incorporated is good for trail riders, and we have extra features such as riding analytics, and lap tracker. If you are turning laps how would this have benefited your analysis with the riders? Stop watches even with human error will be more accurate. So. what is the benefit? Again, these extras that you mentioned are the money grab. Just pay or $7.99 per month for information that is slightly accurate? I am sure you would have utilized the helmets technology during your tenure as a race owner Wink.

In all seriousness, the sport is amazing and I think everyone wants what is best for it.  I am not going to sit here and continue to argue this over and over.  I am excited for Washougal and the Jett vs. Chase battle and I hope everyone has a great weekend. 

aeffertz wrote:
So you admit that you can now see the value in this technology for some people but still want to call it a gimmicky money grab...

So you admit that you can now see the value in this technology for some people but still want to call it a gimmicky money grab? How does that make sense?

$7.99 per month for helmet technology. Money grab

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7/21/2023 12:34pm
Zycki11 wrote:
I stand corrected on the "emergency" capabilities.  For a trail rider it makes sense..... I still argue that it is a bell and whistle concept that...

I stand corrected on the "emergency" capabilities.  For a trail rider it makes sense..... I still argue that it is a bell and whistle concept that is a money grab. 

Do you not think it cost fly more money to produce this helmet?  Of course it’s going to cost more. 

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7/21/2023 12:35pm
Falcon wrote:
I'm all for additional safety features. This is only pushing the envelope a bit, and those of us who don't need it can buy something else. ...

I'm all for additional safety features. This is only pushing the envelope a bit, and those of us who don't need it can buy something else. 

It would be my luck that the helmet would fall off my tailgate while I'm away at the concession stand, roll to a stop, send out the location to emergency services, and then I'd get billed for an ambulance ride that didn't even happen. Because it was a false alarm, my insurance doesn't cover it, and I'm out of pocket $30,000. There's only a 0.00000001% chance that would ever happen, but I'd be the guy. 

You’re not charged when 911 is dialed. And you’re not charged if no aid or services are rendered. 

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Zycki11 wrote:
Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding.  I also...

Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding.  I also mentioned that trail riding alone is dumb for obvious reasons.  So now we stand that I have admitted the helmet GPS Emergency system they incorporated is good for trail riders, and we have extra features such as riding analytics, and lap tracker. If you are turning laps how would this have benefited your analysis with the riders? Stop watches even with human error will be more accurate. So. what is the benefit? Again, these extras that you mentioned are the money grab. Just pay or $7.99 per month for information that is slightly accurate? I am sure you would have utilized the helmets technology during your tenure as a race owner Wink.

In all seriousness, the sport is amazing and I think everyone wants what is best for it.  I am not going to sit here and continue to argue this over and over.  I am excited for Washougal and the Jett vs. Chase battle and I hope everyone has a great weekend. 

aeffertz wrote:
So you admit that you can now see the value in this technology for some people but still want to call it a gimmicky money grab...

So you admit that you can now see the value in this technology for some people but still want to call it a gimmicky money grab? How does that make sense?

Zycki11 wrote:

$7.99 per month for helmet technology. Money grab

What product of theirs isn't a money grab? Should we criticize gear with a color that costs extra? I'm not really sure I understand the "money grab" jab at a for profit company.

7/21/2023 12:41pm

I’d rather die alone knocked out in the woods, than wear Fly

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7/21/2023 12:42pm
Zycki11 wrote:
Your miss understanding the point. How does this helmet help any further? It doesn’t send a signal for a downed rider(trail riding) and the only thing...

Your miss understanding the point. How does this helmet help any further? It doesn’t send a signal for a downed rider(trail riding) and the only thing it does is flash and say you took an impact buy a new me. 
 

If you provide a product that protects your head further and helps eliminate concussions I am on board. Anyone who races knows you take a ding here and there and when to replace a helmet. 

ML512 wrote:
Incorrect. It can dial emergency services, contact your emergency contact, track your location, and send out notifications when paired when your phone. Basically, if you go...

Incorrect. It can dial emergency services, contact your emergency contact, track your location, and send out notifications when paired when your phone. Basically, if you go trail riding, you have your phone in your riding pack and this system in the helmet. If you crash hard but are moving afterward, it sends a notification to whoever you listed as your emergency contact. If you crash hard and aren't moving...it contacts emergency services and sends out your location.

Magoofan wrote:
...and what happens when you're out where there is no cell coverage?   This is why I carry a Garmin InReach.  We're often out where there...

...and what happens when you're out where there is no cell coverage?

 

This is why I carry a Garmin InReach.  We're often out where there is no cell coverage. 

 

I never leave pavement without one.👍 

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7/21/2023 12:43pm

I’d rather die alone knocked out in the woods, than wear Fly

Cool story Bro👍

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7/21/2023 12:46pm

I’d rather die alone knocked out in the woods, than wear Fly

We would rather that also. 

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7/21/2023 12:52pm

Big improvements! The Swap video with JT$ explaining everything is fantastic.

This is the first moto helmet that offers any type of crash impact data for you, parents, or medical staff to see immediately.

I'm excited Fly certified to ECE 22.06, joining Leatt, Airoh, Klim, and Fox. The next helmet I buy will be ECE 22.06 certified and I definitely want this one!!!

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7/21/2023 12:56pm

I’d rather die alone knocked out in the woods, than wear Fly

Nothing is stopping you

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7/21/2023 12:59pm
Brad460 wrote:

As long as it doesn’t tell my wife…

GrapeApe wrote:
That's funny most in my group do not have their wives listed for the notifications, including me. All it will do is panic my family and...

That's funny most in my group do not have their wives listed for the notifications, including me. All it will do is panic my family and they won't know what to do. My riding buddies will know exactly where I am and what to do based on my location.

Yup, guilty here. Went one time to the ER early afternoon in the fall. Beautiful day so wearing a tank and shorts. They didn't think what I had was important so they let me sit for many hours. Pretty soon it got so cold that evening I had to call my daughter to bring a jacket. She spilt the beans, I think I was in more trouble for not telling that I went to the ER than the reason why I went to the ER.Unsure

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7/21/2023 1:00pm
For those of you wondering why it won't try to detect a concussion, that would classify this as a medical device and they'd have to validate...

For those of you wondering why it won't try to detect a concussion, that would classify this as a medical device and they'd have to validate it with the FDA.

We are lucky to be getting any data at all!
Concussions are diagnosed by a doctor. Event data may help with the diagnosis but cannot be the only factor.

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7/21/2023 2:01pm
Zycki11 wrote:
Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding.  I also...

Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding.  I also mentioned that trail riding alone is dumb for obvious reasons.  So now we stand that I have admitted the helmet GPS Emergency system they incorporated is good for trail riders, and we have extra features such as riding analytics, and lap tracker. If you are turning laps how would this have benefited your analysis with the riders? Stop watches even with human error will be more accurate. So. what is the benefit? Again, these extras that you mentioned are the money grab. Just pay or $7.99 per month for information that is slightly accurate? I am sure you would have utilized the helmets technology during your tenure as a race owner Wink.

In all seriousness, the sport is amazing and I think everyone wants what is best for it.  I am not going to sit here and continue to argue this over and over.  I am excited for Washougal and the Jett vs. Chase battle and I hope everyone has a great weekend. 

aeffertz wrote:
So you admit that you can now see the value in this technology for some people but still want to call it a gimmicky money grab...

So you admit that you can now see the value in this technology for some people but still want to call it a gimmicky money grab? How does that make sense?

Zycki11 wrote:

$7.99 per month for helmet technology. Money grab

Its for the cell signal and some of the features. You still get a bunch of features without paying the extra $$.  Just like a cell phone. You can use some of the features of a smartphone without a contract. But if you want all the features of your phone You have to pay a monthly fee. If You are arguing its money grab, than every product ever made is a money grab also.  Its an added feature that people can choose to buy or not buy. 

 

I'm not sure if it said  how the feature worked in the info I read, but it said it can also contact other riders that are wearing a helmet with the same tech. I don't know if that works on cell signal or if it could still work with a much shorter range helmet to helmet. If this version doesn't maybe a future one will. I like the idea, and I can see many other things that could be integrated into a smart helmet.  Like communication with a flagging system .  And lights that could light up under the visor to indicate when you are coming up on a downed rider. 

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7/21/2023 2:29pm

If my helmet doesn’t know, my body sure will. 
 

i applaud ingenious applications , but is the helmet as safe as my 6D?

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7/21/2023 2:31pm
Brad460 wrote:

As long as it doesn’t tell my wife…

Lmfao. Oh man this is so true and had me literally laughing out loud. 

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7/21/2023 2:35pm
Zycki11 wrote:
Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding.  I also...

Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding.  I also mentioned that trail riding alone is dumb for obvious reasons.  So now we stand that I have admitted the helmet GPS Emergency system they incorporated is good for trail riders, and we have extra features such as riding analytics, and lap tracker. If you are turning laps how would this have benefited your analysis with the riders? Stop watches even with human error will be more accurate. So. what is the benefit? Again, these extras that you mentioned are the money grab. Just pay or $7.99 per month for information that is slightly accurate? I am sure you would have utilized the helmets technology during your tenure as a race owner Wink.

In all seriousness, the sport is amazing and I think everyone wants what is best for it.  I am not going to sit here and continue to argue this over and over.  I am excited for Washougal and the Jett vs. Chase battle and I hope everyone has a great weekend. 

aeffertz wrote:
So you admit that you can now see the value in this technology for some people but still want to call it a gimmicky money grab...

So you admit that you can now see the value in this technology for some people but still want to call it a gimmicky money grab? How does that make sense?

Zycki11 wrote:

$7.99 per month for helmet technology. Money grab

Lol dude just admit you’re fucking wrong and move on. This is just sad at this point 

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7/21/2023 2:42pm
rstaichi wrote:
Looks like a cool idea, only negative is I’m assuming you need cell reception and of course a lot places we ride we don’t. But that’s...

Looks like a cool idea, only negative is I’m assuming you need cell reception and of course a lot places we ride we don’t. But that’s not a knock on them per se just the way it is. Riddell football helmets has something like this too. It tracks all your hits and how hard and where you hit it. I bought one for my kid but not because of that feature but because he has a goofy head and they scan your head for a custom fit. 
As far as safety goes only place I have seen that does helmet testing is Virginia Tech (https://helmet.beam.vt.edu/) but they don’t do full face helmets for dirt bikes of MTB. They say they don’t have a set up that can do closed faced helmets. I’ve been bugging them about it for over a year now and how there are so many that would want to see full face helmets testing and I just talked to them two weeks ago and they have a new design for it to work but have yet to build it because other stuff is taking priority. So maybe if others email too and ask them to get on it they will.

That is really good information about Riddell's custom fitment. My oldest son has a very oddly shaped head because of something that happened during birth and I've spent so much money on trying to find decently fitting motorcycle helmets. I actually stopped progressing him on a dirt bike because his speed (not very much of it) started to make me really worry about his helmet fitment. I wish the off-road helmet manufacturers could come up with some type of custom fitment tech for the consumer.

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7/21/2023 3:09pm
Zycki11 wrote:
If you provide a product with nothing but bells and whistles to charge extra while the helmet protects the same? I question the concept. Why wouldn’t...

If you provide a product with nothing but bells and whistles to charge extra while the helmet protects the same? I question the concept. Why wouldn’t you provide something that is going to prevent head injury better? Not a gimmicky sales pitch 

ML512 wrote:
Fly just dropped the new Formula helmet two years ago with the latest in safety technology they could develop and partner on. It's one of the...

Fly just dropped the new Formula helmet two years ago with the latest in safety technology they could develop and partner on. It's one of the best helmets on the market and they've added a new safety feature for those that find value in it. There is NO helmet on the market or in existence that can completely end the possibility of getting a concussion or a possible TBI. This allows a little extra safety layer for those situations, especially when someone is in a situation where no one is around to support them. It's $100 more than the standard Formula carbon and they have a range of helmets without the new Quin recorder. 

Zycki11 wrote:
I get it for trail riders again... and I have not stated that it should eradicate concussions. I made the point that it did not provide...

I get it for trail riders again... and I have not stated that it should eradicate concussions. I made the point that it did not provide any extra protection for your actual head and that it was a bell and whistle ploy and clearly I missed the emergency contact when I first read the information.  Even still, trail riding alone is idiotic and everyone who rides knows this.  

Well, it will provide extra protection for you. It can be a matter of seconds if you are out. If someone falls and is alone on a lap on a MX track, it can take several minutes before another rider comes by or your friend in the paddock realize you are out. 

I will argue the opposite from what you say. Just as any addition in safety to a helmet, it is not always applicable in 100% of the scenarios. 

So this addition, will make it safer to ride if you use it to its full potential.

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7/21/2023 3:12pm
zippytech wrote:
Wait till they make helmets that become unusable after a crash, that would suck out on the trails, not being able to put the helmet back...

Wait till they make helmets that become unusable after a crash, that would suck out on the trails, not being able to put the helmet back on.

Pretty much helmet made is safe for one severe crash and should be tossed afterwards. That's why you should always check your foam to see if it's cracked or indented after a crash. I doubt they would ever make crumple helmets if I'm reading your comment correctly. 

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7/21/2023 3:12pm
GrapeApe wrote:
That's funny most in my group do not have their wives listed for the notifications, including me. All it will do is panic my family and...

That's funny most in my group do not have their wives listed for the notifications, including me. All it will do is panic my family and they won't know what to do. My riding buddies will know exactly where I am and what to do based on my location.

Several of my riding friends have my wife's contact info in the event I am wrecked enough that I can't call. It's a good back up idea.

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