MXGP/AMA Combo Race Plans

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9/29/2022 10:19pm
Have an mxgp at glenn helen and let any America enter. Is it not what used to happen?
Brent wrote:
They did that already.

only 11 fans and a stray coyote showed up on race day.



lostboy819 wrote:
Laughing Laughing Laughing
And I bet the Coyote snuck in without paying Wink
Partial credit. When he tried to jump the fence it was just a painting on a brick wall. Luongo always gets his money.
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Won't happen.
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Only reading that there would be chance to race in Namur gave me semi...
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DeStouwer wrote:
Won't happen.
Not only wouldn't it happen, even if it did it wouldn't work.

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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Sounds like it will be a Ryder Cup type format .
My understanding is it would be a normal race for both series, paying points for both series kind of like the East/West shootout.
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9/30/2022 1:36am
One things for sure, the best of the best from all
Over the world should be racing each other more often.

I would agree MXON is a lot of fun, but it’s a team race & riders like TG don’t have a lot of reason to go full send mode their as won’t have the team support.

Would be awesome to have all the best in one place, either by combining the series in usa for a round, then Europe aswell.

Or making MXGP more worth while for the American factories, have like 3 MXGP round in US & have the top US riders racing MXGP instead.

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If they went back to having a GP round in the States like there was from the early '70s through late '80s, you would see them competing together. 500GP was at Carlsbad, 250 GP at Unadilla, and 125 GP at Mid-Ohio.
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I've been hoping this would happen for years now. I think there has to be only one set of points for the whole field, otherwise once...
I've been hoping this would happen for years now. I think there has to be only one set of points for the whole field, otherwise once a rider settles into "first MXGP," or "first AMA" they could just conserve and not race forward.
Use the normal points structure of both systems, but double the payouts because there’s twice the riders. That’ll incentivize the crap out of the riders..
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Gravel wrote:
Use the normal points structure of both systems, but double the payouts because there’s twice the riders. That’ll incentivize the crap out of the riders..
If they do this early in the season i'd say about 15 riders in MXGP and 15 in MX2 will make the trip. Doubling the payouts won't impact those numbers (since the travel is that expensive).

Imo it would be a massive event and if promoted well should have every mx fan worldwide tuned in to watch it. Only thing i don't really like is that it kind of devalues the MXoN.
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Gravel wrote:
Use the normal points structure of both systems, but double the payouts because there’s twice the riders. That’ll incentivize the crap out of the riders..
roninho wrote:
If they do this early in the season i'd say about 15 riders in MXGP and 15 in MX2 will make the trip. Doubling the payouts...
If they do this early in the season i'd say about 15 riders in MXGP and 15 in MX2 will make the trip. Doubling the payouts won't impact those numbers (since the travel is that expensive).

Imo it would be a massive event and if promoted well should have every mx fan worldwide tuned in to watch it. Only thing i don't really like is that it kind of devalues the MXoN.
For sure the guys who normally finish 15th and below would likely pass on a World Combined round, but the promoters gotta do something extraordinary to get the front runners to show up and put out a good effort.

What part of the season would work best for a double points race? Early season would give a potential early lead and put riders in conservative mode too soon. Late season would be interesting because it could cause a big swing in the lead, but it could decide the championship before the last rounds. Mid season would work best, IMO, because it would possibly cause a points shakeup but probably not lock down a championship.

How do I apply for the world combined motocross El Presidente job?

Hope the powers in charge can make this happen!
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Namur & Glen Helen would be awesome
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10/1/2022 7:08am Edited Date/Time 10/1/2022 8:30am
This concept of combined series races throws up a few conundrums, that would be a bit 'interesting' to sort out.

MX Sports at least has some purse - prize money. MXGP does not. So, will we see one part of the field get $$, the other part none?

I can't see Luongo wanting to give any of 'his' money to the MXGP riders - Or MX Sports riders. And, if MX Sports gave money to the GP riders, well, I can see that being embarrassing to Luongo / InFront.

But hey, it might just be a start to that POS Luongo ( and whatever company he's associated with) actually, Finally , offering some purse - prize money. The advent of WSX might at least be useful in getting that back.

Will points awarded to riders be as they finish, within the context of the whole field, or, within the context of 'their' series? It could make for BIG points changes in both series.

Those 2 points are just the tip of the iceberg.

Maybe, DC and Luongo will sort it out, to the benefit of the Riders and Teams, and, not just their companies?

That, I'd Truly love to see!

I can see the potential for Big $$$ to be made from such a race - one that effectively forces the USAs best riders and teams to attend, together with the best of the GPs - the numbers of GP riders some have put forward here is pretty commensurate with the numbers that attended the 'years ago' GPs, it's always been a Big expense to do OS races. Big $$$, in that you'd have something near to the level of MXdN, each year in the USA, and you can see in an instant the crowd numbers that attend every MXdN. Luongo - And DC - would surely love such a payday.

The track? Bloody hell I'd Love to see an Unadilla, with the decades gone by "full grassed" surface. It would be a track surface that, nowadays, would be quite 'different' for both the MXGP and MX Sports riders. So, No advantage to either cohort.

I'm not sure if that would be possible - does the US National track sit unused for the year, like it did way back when - well, No, there is the National there now (or, other events on the actual track?) , so, unless the National was earlier, or later, or, Not held at all as a separate event, and the track left to grow grass back, well, it's not likely.

Grass, instead of deeply plowed chocolate cake, would be something, wonderfully, Wonderfully different, in this day and age

Hey, I see the potential for a return (though it was a somewhat brief, time - Robgvx here could say how long, what with his walking through a glass partition just prior to a Canadian GP - to my dim recollection) of rounds of the World Championships of Motocross to both USA, and Canada. But, the US Teams seemed to think an SX just across(I think) the border into Canada was too much hassle and expense.........

There's always the insistence that the MXGP riders and Teams race in America, from so many posters.

Well, I'll put it that if there is a combined race to be held in the USA, there bloody well Should be the same sort of round that is back in Europe / Britain, or somewhere else that involves (serious levels of) Travel and its inherent expense and difficulties / challenges, for the US 'side'. But, I daresay my writing this will invoke Squeals of protest from many here.

What's good enough for the Goose, should be good enough for the Gander, as the old saying goes.
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If they actually did this, this would be the race of the year. MxDN would be a distant second. All of the healthy guys going at it would be what all of us moto guys want.
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Park Boys wrote:
If they actually did this, this would be the race of the year. MxDN would be a distant second. All of the healthy guys going at...
If they actually did this, this would be the race of the year. MxDN would be a distant second. All of the healthy guys going at it would be what all of us moto guys want.
I don't think so. What makes MXoN the stand out race of the year is the national team format, no matter who is out injured.
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I love the idea but the obvious problems are the age rule in MX2, differences in noise regs & different fuels.
The noise & fuel would need to be resolved for it to be fair.
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Fabulous. Points awarded as normal, but with twice as many of the world's best going at it for the same points in different series, points are at a premium.

If they do this, don't you HAVE to have one race on the MXGP circuit and one on the AMA circuit EVERY year?

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6/4/2023 11:19am

I missed this post the first time round, any word on how this idea is developing? Will we see something next year?

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How about I live in Australia, an Australian is leading Nationals and for love or money I can't watch. Might be worth fixing that no? Especially if Jett fulfills his potential 

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Let's imagine this happened this year, at RedBud on 4th July Weekend (due to MX Sports and Infront's relationship with RedBud after the last MXoN).

This is the dream of every motocross fan in the world, the best riders, all against each other, racing not only to win points, but also to be proud to say I am the fastest in the world.

This is the year of the privateer riders, isn't it? The best AMA privateers against the best MXGP privateers, let's say that in MX2 Jan Pancar (MX2 privateer) is 15th and Little Johnny from Alabama (AMA random privateer) is 16th, how can Luongo explain to Pancar that, after crossing the ocean to compete in a MX2 point race, spending a lot of money to get there, he doesn't get a penny while Little Johnny gets 1000 dollars from DC for being behind Pancar?

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6/4/2023 2:09pm
Mick 22 wrote:
Fabulous. Points awarded as normal, but with twice as many of the world's best going at it for the same points in different series, points are...

Fabulous. Points awarded as normal, but with twice as many of the world's best going at it for the same points in different series, points are at a premium.

If they do this, don't you HAVE to have one race on the MXGP circuit and one on the AMA circuit EVERY year?

Zero chance any race will be held anywhere other than America.

 

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6/4/2023 4:12pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2023 4:13pm
Mick 22 wrote:
Fabulous. Points awarded as normal, but with twice as many of the world's best going at it for the same points in different series, points are...

Fabulous. Points awarded as normal, but with twice as many of the world's best going at it for the same points in different series, points are at a premium.

If they do this, don't you HAVE to have one race on the MXGP circuit and one on the AMA circuit EVERY year?

Zero chance any race will be held anywhere other than America.

 

That would be my guess as well. I don't think there's any incentive for MX Sports to help put together a race in Europe. This could serve as a way of revamping the USGP, which has seen dwindling appearance in recent years, both in riders and fans.

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If DC makes a profit can I get a refund for last year's TV stream debacle?

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6/4/2023 5:48pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2023 5:49pm

There’s an easy solution to all this; hold the race in ‘neutral territory’. Somewhere like, hmmm I don’t know, maybe Australia? That’d be okay by me.

6/4/2023 6:08pm
CPR wrote:

There’s an easy solution to all this; hold the race in ‘neutral territory’. Somewhere like, hmmm I don’t know, maybe Australia? That’d be okay by me.

If the point is to get American riders included, why would you pick one of the farthest places in the globe away from the US?

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CPR wrote:

There’s an easy solution to all this; hold the race in ‘neutral territory’. Somewhere like, hmmm I don’t know, maybe Australia? That’d be okay by me.

If the point is to get American riders included, why would you pick one of the farthest places in the globe away from the US?

I think you may have missed my point, I wasn’t being serious …..but why does everything have to revolve around the US? It would actually be further for European riders to travel than Americans, if it was held in Australia.

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CPR wrote:

There’s an easy solution to all this; hold the race in ‘neutral territory’. Somewhere like, hmmm I don’t know, maybe Australia? That’d be okay by me.

Neutral my ass. Two of your finest are smoking our US boys!! That would be really awesome for Hunter and Jett to race at home! 

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CPR wrote:

There’s an easy solution to all this; hold the race in ‘neutral territory’. Somewhere like, hmmm I don’t know, maybe Australia? That’d be okay by me.

tahoefd wrote:

Neutral my ass. Two of your finest are smoking our US boys!! That would be really awesome for Hunter and Jett to race at home! 

Well there is that…..😂

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With all the injuries nowadays i dont think an extra race is a good idea, look at how many top level guys already cant make it through a season.

If they cut a couple races from the already up and running series to make way then maybe, but we know that wont happen.

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