The Deegan Bike Claim Story - Part 1, 2, and 3 | UPDATE: Brennan's Sponsor Responds | Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Deegan, Luce, and Walker

FlaNard wrote:

For anyone blaming “vitards” and our pitchforks for keeping this story alive feel free to read any of the comments on the last Racer X Instagram...

For anyone blaming “vitards” and our pitchforks for keeping this story alive feel free to read any of the comments on the last Racer X Instagram post regarding the story. Racer X, Pulp, and general mx media are getting absolutely DRAGGED right now. And yes, I forgot I followed Racer X on Instagram and now I don’t. Not cancel culture, just choosing to not support DC any longer.

Gungadin wrote:

Thanks for the heads up. The 'arm' is the stroke length. Increase the arm by 3 mm and the stroke increases 6 mm- 3 mm at...

Thanks for the heads up.

The 'arm' is the stroke length.

Increase the arm by 3 mm and the stroke increases 6 mm- 3 mm at each end.

R66 wrote:

If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong. There is a reason they call them “stroker cranks.” The distance the piston moves up and down...

If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong.
There is a reason they call them “stroker cranks.” The distance the piston moves up and down is determined by the offset of the big end of the rod from the center of the crank. The rod could be an inch longer and it would not change the displacement. You are confusing a “long rod” with a “stroker crank.” A long rod motor will have a different power characteristic because the longer rod, but it is still the same size motor.

ToolMaker wrote:

Yes, a long rod motor will also have a custom piston to have the wrist pin higher so the piston does not crash into the head...

Yes, a long rod motor will also have a custom piston to have the wrist pin higher so the piston does not crash into the
head or valves. And it does change the characteristics of the engine. But it does not change the distance from TDC to BDC.
TM

Camp332 wrote:

The next chapter begins.

New GoFundme by Brennan

EDIT: Campaign is no longer there. Link removed

GrapeApe wrote:

You have got to be fucking kidding me, what happened to his $17,500 cash? Wait, could it be . . . nah. That was his money...

You have got to be fucking kidding me, what happened to his $17,500 cash? Wait, could it be . . . nah. That was his money that he earned changing tires.

I hope everyone that contributes to this sob story understand this kid has been living full time at a training facility for 3 years. Yes, a full year before he raced the C class at LL's he was living full time at a training facility. Not long ago this forum would have said this is the kind of thing that is wrong with amateur motocross. Now those same people will contribute to this half-assed panhandling.

Down vote away, this story sucks and its getting worse.

8tensolutions wrote:

Yep. Agree 100%. He "lost" his bikes that were never his. The dealer loaned them to him and he can afford to live full time thousands...

Yep. Agree 100%. He "lost" his bikes that were never his. The dealer loaned them to him and he can afford to live full time thousands of miles from home to train and ride daily. He said himself he would return the bikes all clapped out and they would hand him new ones. Where is the ROI on that especially for a C rider (until this year) and the dealer appears to feel slapped in the face on this claiming thing and not having it discussed with him prior to happening....with his logos all over Brennans bike...and his son trains at Moto X too! The go fund me is comical at best.

Should he have gotten the bike? Yes, but his Dad said no go and lost their support anyway. Bad luck etc, but move on and if you are fast enough finding support won't be a problem.

Alternatively, take your $17,500 and go to Budds Creek this weekend and claim Deegan's bike again. It will actually be cheaper since Loretta's is the only one that is 200% (my understanding)

FreshTopEnd wrote:

If as Weege reports the father said that they would not claim the bike, this is over.

Neil GrabNgargle wrote:

Even if there is an element of coercion involved?

GrapeApe wrote:

You have got to be fucking kidding me, what happened to his $17,500 cash? Wait, could it be . . . nah. That was his money...

You have got to be fucking kidding me, what happened to his $17,500 cash? Wait, could it be . . . nah. That was his money that he earned changing tires.

I hope everyone that contributes to this sob story understand this kid has been living full time at a training facility for 3 years. Yes, a full year before he raced the C class at LL's he was living full time at a training facility. Not long ago this forum would have said this is the kind of thing that is wrong with amateur motocross. Now those same people will contribute to this half-assed panhandling.

Down vote away, this story sucks and its getting worse.

8tensolutions wrote:

Yep. Agree 100%. He "lost" his bikes that were never his. The dealer loaned them to him and he can afford to live full time thousands...

Yep. Agree 100%. He "lost" his bikes that were never his. The dealer loaned them to him and he can afford to live full time thousands of miles from home to train and ride daily. He said himself he would return the bikes all clapped out and they would hand him new ones. Where is the ROI on that especially for a C rider (until this year) and the dealer appears to feel slapped in the face on this claiming thing and not having it discussed with him prior to happening....with his logos all over Brennans bike...and his son trains at Moto X too! The go fund me is comical at best.

Should he have gotten the bike? Yes, but his Dad said no go and lost their support anyway. Bad luck etc, but move on and if you are fast enough finding support won't be a problem.

Alternatively, take your $17,500 and go to Budds Creek this weekend and claim Deegan's bike again. It will actually be cheaper since Loretta's is the only one that is 200% (my understanding)

Chappa wrote:

This was my train of thought, I hadn't seen it mentioned before. I am not sure anyone with minimal comprehension skills is denying the kid got...

This was my train of thought, I hadn't seen it mentioned before.

I am not sure anyone with minimal comprehension skills is denying the kid got screwed out of a bike.

To play devil's advocate, and not understanding sponsor's obligations and etiquette it would be interesting to hear from someone who can expand on 8tensolutions point.

I am sure there is a code of conduct or specific representation clauses that gives the dealer an out if the dealer feels their sponsored rider is not promoting themselves or their product in favourable ways.

Here you have a sponsored rider that from all accounts gets six bikes a year, admittedly trashes them, hands them back, and more magically appear. Sweet deal if you can get it. However, that comes with certain obligations and responsibilities. Going to the biggest race of the year, claiming a competitor's bike is not a good look for the sponsor. I would take that as a thanks guys, but your bike sucks and I can get a better bike and turn that into currency that you can't offer.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

ML512 wrote:

Chris (the dealer) said Matt is correct in the part that Chris contacted Matt Walker to tell him about the claim, not the other way around...

Chris (the dealer) said Matt is correct in the part that Chris contacted Matt Walker to tell him about the claim, not the other way around. So Chris is saying he knew about it before Matt.

Camp332 wrote:

The next chapter begins.

New GoFundme by Brennan

EDIT: Campaign is no longer there. Link removed

holyroller1 wrote:

Campaign not found. I looked earlier and it was definitely there and had donations. Looked very sketchy to me for some reason with the title "Dirbiker"...

Campaign not found. I looked earlier and it was definitely there and had donations. Looked very sketchy to me for some reason with the title "Dirbiker" or something like that.

I wonder if someone was trying to make a few bucks on this thing?

Camp332 wrote:

Thanks for the heads up. I edited my post. Maybe it was fraud.

holyroller1 wrote:

Campaign not found. I looked earlier and it was definitely there and had donations. Looked very sketchy to me for some reason with the title "Dirbiker"...

Campaign not found. I looked earlier and it was definitely there and had donations. Looked very sketchy to me for some reason with the title "Dirbiker" or something like that.

I wonder if someone was trying to make a few bucks on this thing?

Camp332 wrote:

Thanks for the heads up. I edited my post. Maybe it was fraud.

GrapeApe wrote:

Maybe his dad caught wind of what he was up to and made him rescind it? When I checked it Johnny Hopper had just donated $50...

Maybe his dad caught wind of what he was up to and made him rescind it?

When I checked it Johnny Hopper had just donated $50 lol

ML512 wrote:

Chris (the dealer) said Matt is correct in the part that Chris contacted Matt Walker to tell him about the claim, not the other way around...

Chris (the dealer) said Matt is correct in the part that Chris contacted Matt Walker to tell him about the claim, not the other way around. So Chris is saying he knew about it before Matt.

FastEddy wrote:

I see thanks. I got confused. :silly: Still wondering who told the dealer about the claim and got the dealer all worked up. If it wasn't...

I see thanks.
I got confused.
Still wondering who told the dealer about the claim and got the dealer all worked up.
If it wasn't anyone affiliated with Yamaha.
I know the dealer also owns a big car dealership.
And as everyone knows the Deegan's are also involved in auto racing and probably have plenty of ties in the auto industry too. Just a theory.

Kennyfreemoney wrote:

I listed to both parts, every minute. From what I gathered, it was Matt Walker and Brennan's dealer sponsor who forced him to rescind his claim...

I listed to both parts, every minute. From what I gathered, it was Matt Walker and Brennan's dealer sponsor who forced him to rescind his claim. Sure, a lot of other people may have been upset about it going through, but Walker and Dealer were the ones that "threatened"/strong armed him into backing off the claim.

a lot could've been handled differently, as most agreed in the interviews, but it came down to Walker and Dealer. Sounds like the dealer took Brennan's dad into a room and said "Drop the claim, or I'll drop you" and then proceeded to drop Brennan anyways.

R66 wrote:

If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong. There is a reason they call them “stroker cranks.” The distance the piston moves up and down...

If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong.
There is a reason they call them “stroker cranks.” The distance the piston moves up and down is determined by the offset of the big end of the rod from the center of the crank. The rod could be an inch longer and it would not change the displacement. You are confusing a “long rod” with a “stroker crank.” A long rod motor will have a different power characteristic because the longer rod, but it is still the same size motor.

ToolMaker wrote:

Yes, a long rod motor will also have a custom piston to have the wrist pin higher so the piston does not crash into the head...

Yes, a long rod motor will also have a custom piston to have the wrist pin higher so the piston does not crash into the
head or valves. And it does change the characteristics of the engine. But it does not change the distance from TDC to BDC.
TM

109 wrote:

Back in 2007/8 I had a crf250 built by Trevor Avery at Multitek that had a 10mm longer rod and a 10mm cylinder spacer between cylinder...

Back in 2007/8 I had a crf250 built by Trevor Avery at Multitek that had a 10mm longer rod and a 10mm cylinder spacer between cylinder and cases.

Everyone thought we were running a stroked motor. But it was still 249cc - just the rod was longer meaning the piston was further away from the crank. I believe this gave it more torque as it had more leverage but less over rev.

Or something like that.

ToolMaker wrote:

Yes, a long rod motor will also have a custom piston to have the wrist pin higher so the piston does not crash into the head...

Yes, a long rod motor will also have a custom piston to have the wrist pin higher so the piston does not crash into the
head or valves. And it does change the characteristics of the engine. But it does not change the distance from TDC to BDC.
TM

109 wrote:

Back in 2007/8 I had a crf250 built by Trevor Avery at Multitek that had a 10mm longer rod and a 10mm cylinder spacer between cylinder...

Back in 2007/8 I had a crf250 built by Trevor Avery at Multitek that had a 10mm longer rod and a 10mm cylinder spacer between cylinder and cases.

Everyone thought we were running a stroked motor. But it was still 249cc - just the rod was longer meaning the piston was further away from the crank. I believe this gave it more torque as it had more leverage but less over rev.

Or something like that.

ToolMaker wrote:

So I think there are many reasons and thought behind this. I think one of the reasons is that if you get the wrist pin further...

So I think there are many reasons and thought behind this. I think one of the reasons is that if you get the wrist pin further away from the crank pin, you straighten the down force. IF you think in the extreme, if it were 2 ft long, the angle would only change a few degrees as the crank turns. I know we're only talking a few inches in reality, but you are straightening the rod by making it longer. They have even made engines with an offset cylinder to affect this.
I'm sure other people will give a lot more reasons why it changes the output, this is just one.
TM

JJO741 wrote:

I have been away from the forums for a bit and came back having to a do A LOT of catching up to do. After listening...

I have been away from the forums for a bit and came back having to a do A LOT of catching up to do. After listening to all the interviews, videos, reading the rules, etc., it is complete bullshit Brennan does not have that motorcycle. I lost a tremendous amount of respect for many involved in this debacle. I’m glad people are pissed off about this because it will ensure that this kind of bullshit does not happen again.

ML, thank you for the hard work on this.

ToolMaker wrote:

So I think there are many reasons and thought behind this. I think one of the reasons is that if you get the wrist pin further...

So I think there are many reasons and thought behind this. I think one of the reasons is that if you get the wrist pin further away from the crank pin, you straighten the down force. IF you think in the extreme, if it were 2 ft long, the angle would only change a few degrees as the crank turns. I know we're only talking a few inches in reality, but you are straightening the rod by making it longer. They have even made engines with an offset cylinder to affect this.
I'm sure other people will give a lot more reasons why it changes the output, this is just one.
TM

ACBraap wrote:

Long rod cranks and spacer plates were pretty common on honda 250R’s in the two stroke quad racing era. In that case, IIRC, it was a...

Long rod cranks and spacer plates were pretty common on honda 250R’s in the two stroke quad racing era. In that case, IIRC, it was a different piston and cylinder design that worked great when coupled with the longer rod, and it was thought that the increased crankcase volume increased bottom end.

I think there was a spacer plate set up that was common in the McGrath era YZ250s too.

ToolMaker wrote:

So I think there are many reasons and thought behind this. I think one of the reasons is that if you get the wrist pin further...

So I think there are many reasons and thought behind this. I think one of the reasons is that if you get the wrist pin further away from the crank pin, you straighten the down force. IF you think in the extreme, if it were 2 ft long, the angle would only change a few degrees as the crank turns. I know we're only talking a few inches in reality, but you are straightening the rod by making it longer. They have even made engines with an offset cylinder to affect this.
I'm sure other people will give a lot more reasons why it changes the output, this is just one.
TM

ACBraap wrote:

Long rod cranks and spacer plates were pretty common on honda 250R’s in the two stroke quad racing era. In that case, IIRC, it was a...

Long rod cranks and spacer plates were pretty common on honda 250R’s in the two stroke quad racing era. In that case, IIRC, it was a different piston and cylinder design that worked great when coupled with the longer rod, and it was thought that the increased crankcase volume increased bottom end.

I think there was a spacer plate set up that was common in the McGrath era YZ250s too.

ToolMaker wrote:

I have a friend that builds long rod V8s. Being a 4t, I'm not sure how the increased crank volume would come into play there. I'm...

I have a friend that builds long rod V8s. Being a 4t, I'm not sure how the increased crank volume would come into play there. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of factors that people with more experience could fill us in. But I'm kind of interested now.
TM

ToolMaker wrote:

So I think there are many reasons and thought behind this. I think one of the reasons is that if you get the wrist pin further...

So I think there are many reasons and thought behind this. I think one of the reasons is that if you get the wrist pin further away from the crank pin, you straighten the down force. IF you think in the extreme, if it were 2 ft long, the angle would only change a few degrees as the crank turns. I know we're only talking a few inches in reality, but you are straightening the rod by making it longer. They have even made engines with an offset cylinder to affect this.
I'm sure other people will give a lot more reasons why it changes the output, this is just one.
TM

ACBraap wrote:

Long rod cranks and spacer plates were pretty common on honda 250R’s in the two stroke quad racing era. In that case, IIRC, it was a...

Long rod cranks and spacer plates were pretty common on honda 250R’s in the two stroke quad racing era. In that case, IIRC, it was a different piston and cylinder design that worked great when coupled with the longer rod, and it was thought that the increased crankcase volume increased bottom end.

I think there was a spacer plate set up that was common in the McGrath era YZ250s too.

ToolMaker wrote:

I have a friend that builds long rod V8s. Being a 4t, I'm not sure how the increased crank volume would come into play there. I'm...

I have a friend that builds long rod V8s. Being a 4t, I'm not sure how the increased crank volume would come into play there. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of factors that people with more experience could fill us in. But I'm kind of interested now.
TM

FlaNard wrote:

For anyone blaming “vitards” and our pitchforks for keeping this story alive feel free to read any of the comments on the last Racer X Instagram...

For anyone blaming “vitards” and our pitchforks for keeping this story alive feel free to read any of the comments on the last Racer X Instagram post regarding the story. Racer X, Pulp, and general mx media are getting absolutely DRAGGED right now. And yes, I forgot I followed Racer X on Instagram and now I don’t. Not cancel culture, just choosing to not support DC any longer.

ACBraap wrote:

Long rod cranks and spacer plates were pretty common on honda 250R’s in the two stroke quad racing era. In that case, IIRC, it was a...

Long rod cranks and spacer plates were pretty common on honda 250R’s in the two stroke quad racing era. In that case, IIRC, it was a different piston and cylinder design that worked great when coupled with the longer rod, and it was thought that the increased crankcase volume increased bottom end.

I think there was a spacer plate set up that was common in the McGrath era YZ250s too.

ToolMaker wrote:

I have a friend that builds long rod V8s. Being a 4t, I'm not sure how the increased crank volume would come into play there. I'm...

I have a friend that builds long rod V8s. Being a 4t, I'm not sure how the increased crank volume would come into play there. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of factors that people with more experience could fill us in. But I'm kind of interested now.
TM

R66 wrote:

There is a formula that can be applied to determine the optimum rod length based on the bore and stroke. There was an article about it...

There is a formula that can be applied to determine the optimum rod length based on the bore and stroke. There was an article about it in Hot Rod magazine years ago. It mentioned something about a longer rod making the piston stay at tdc a little longer than a shorter rod. Also said something about leverage.

prozach wrote:

I nice long rod definitely makes it easier to hit the sweet spot. But if your rod is too long, it can cause damage to the...

I nice long rod definitely makes it easier to hit the sweet spot. But if your rod is too long, it can cause damage to the cylinder when going full throttle if you're not careful. 🤷‍♀️

FlaNard wrote:

For anyone blaming “vitards” and our pitchforks for keeping this story alive feel free to read any of the comments on the last Racer X Instagram...

For anyone blaming “vitards” and our pitchforks for keeping this story alive feel free to read any of the comments on the last Racer X Instagram post regarding the story. Racer X, Pulp, and general mx media are getting absolutely DRAGGED right now. And yes, I forgot I followed Racer X on Instagram and now I don’t. Not cancel culture, just choosing to not support DC any longer.

UpTiTe wrote:

This is so much bigger than Vital, Thumper Talk has three threads going, and it all over Facebook with people who don’t post here.