Vital Update on Deegan Bike Claim Story (interviews)

Iridereallyslow 8/15/2022 11:13am
8/15/2022 11:13am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 11:16am
Utah Moto wrote:
Any reason Ping and GLs video on the subject Hasn’t been posted on this site? Is Ping black listed from vital even though everyone said it...
Any reason Ping and GLs video on the subject Hasn’t been posted on this site? Is Ping black listed from vital even though everyone said it was a “mutual” ending?
It has been posted in one of these threads

edit: page 21 of the interview thread
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This sport always backs away from its written rules when someone has money, or threatens to pull money or resources away. Look at what happened to the amateur advancement rules way back when. I really think MXSPORTS, DC, ect sided with Deegan/Star/Walker when they realized they may be painting bad picture for them... the stars of the LL show. Too late now, but they are probably trying to find ways to respond to this, and its going to become conflicting stories from each side.
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DA498 wrote:
Heres a question to dealership guy, Why do you pull bikes from Brennan if theres no pressure from anyone?
ns503 wrote:
Ya, I'm pretty disappointed with Rallye. They've been supporting for quite a while around here. I drove by the place last weekend, likely around the time...
Ya, I'm pretty disappointed with Rallye. They've been supporting for quite a while around here. I drove by the place last weekend, likely around the time this shit was hitting the fan. I'm not exactly a customer customer but have bought some piddly odds & ends there over the years. Have some friends though that bought quite a few toys there of various types. I suspect maybe 5% of their customers would know what MX is. And maybe 1% would know what Lorretta Lynns is.
Great chance for Toys to step up and help him out.
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slowgti 8/15/2022 11:25am
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How long has it been since the incident?

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soggy 8/15/2022 11:28am
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This is all pretty black and white. A bike was claimed. Star didn’t want to give it up and started working too make sure it wasn’t. Everything else is just noise.

A poster said the claimee should be anonymous till after the bike has switched hands. Couldn’t agree more.
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DA498 wrote:
Heres a question to dealership guy, Why do you pull bikes from Brennan if theres no pressure from anyone?
ns503 wrote:
Ya, I'm pretty disappointed with Rallye. They've been supporting for quite a while around here. I drove by the place last weekend, likely around the time...
Ya, I'm pretty disappointed with Rallye. They've been supporting for quite a while around here. I drove by the place last weekend, likely around the time this shit was hitting the fan. I'm not exactly a customer customer but have bought some piddly odds & ends there over the years. Have some friends though that bought quite a few toys there of various types. I suspect maybe 5% of their customers would know what MX is. And maybe 1% would know what Lorretta Lynns is.
swordfish wrote:
Great chance for Toys to step up and help him out.
Yes.
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I don’t think the Deegans did anything wrong here they weren’t the ones yelling at the kid and father they weren’t the ones threatening to pull...
I don’t think the Deegans did anything wrong here they weren’t the ones yelling at the kid and father they weren’t the ones threatening to pull dealership or fight the engine guy . I’m sure if it was my kid going for a championship at Loretta’s and still has a race to go I would want to protect my kid also and wonder if this because the pass history at Southwick few months back . I think the main problem is it’s all it is Matt walker Yamaha and the dealer going after the kid and father .
jbrown15 wrote:
How can you say that without knowing what was said behind closed doors?
Door closes, tim and brian look at each other, "hmm should we be alone in this room with a 17 year old minor without his father?" Jesus fuckin christ
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FlaNard 8/15/2022 11:52am
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It’s honestly sad how obviously the people involved are just expecting this to blow over. Get everyone’s stories straight, smile for the camera and play it off like there is nothing to see. My guess? It’s not going to work. This also isn’t exactly a group of people known for their integrity and loyalty. Once things get too hot someone will sell the rest of you out. Since your actions were against a minor just blackballing him in motocross won’t protect you from repercussions if he chooses to force the issue. Remember, you’re big fish in a VERY small pond. And the water’s drying up.
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Correct. I in no way think Brennan looks worse after the engine builder interview. I expected stories to not line up fully all along. It’s been...
Correct. I in no way think Brennan looks worse after the engine builder interview. I expected stories to not line up fully all along. It’s been my overarching premise since post 1.

I think the engine builder did an excellent job of articulating his position, why stories (justifiably) wont match, and basically asked everyone for a bit of levity in this situation.

The engine builder was even man enough to want to apologize to Tim Cotter after all this. Yet we still see the forum dumping on the guy.

It was a hornets nest in the moment. Everyone, with exception of Brennan, probably wishes they’d acted differently. Things got said, leaked, story grew from there in the moment, and now after a few days to reflect, Derek Harris feels much different about it all - so should most of the mob. Good luck getting a refund on the pitchforks tho, the receipts were used to light the torch fires.

Heck, I bet at this point even Brennan wishes he’d done a few things differently. Like not drop the claim. Or maybe not, i dont expect adult level contrition from him. It took me 10+ years to look back when I was 17 and finally admit I could’ve acted differently in situations much less dynamic than this.

As of right now, EVERY party involved looks better than originally indicated with the exception of Matt Walker and Yamaha Donnie. They still got a deep hole to dig out of but we’ve yet to hear their side. And incredibly, ML is going to get them to talk.
Kmiller125 wrote:
Not trying to take everything you say apart but you don’t ever correctly address the entirety of what’s said, Derrick said now that he’s cooled off...
Not trying to take everything you say apart but you don’t ever correctly address the entirety of what’s said, Derrick said now that he’s cooled off he wishes he would have treated Tim differently in the moment only because he understands his stance as a promoter where he is coming from. He never said Tim was not in the wrong severely for inserting himself or going into a room to bully a minor. Tim was out of line and that’s apparent and Derek knows that. He just said he gets it from his perspective, it doesn’t forgive Cotters participation in the events any. Also if anything is certain after the interview it’s that they look as bad as initially thought or worse, it’s starting to narrow the truth down not the severity of the crime
Sore Loser wrote:
I interpreted it differently than you then I guess. Seemed to me that Derek didn’t feel Cotter or Deegan did anything wrong. When Matt Walker’s name...
I interpreted it differently than you then I guess. Seemed to me that Derek didn’t feel Cotter or Deegan did anything wrong.

When Matt Walker’s name was brought up tho, boy did things take a turn. Should be interesting to hear his version. He’s got the benefit of batting cleanup. But again, very deep hole to dig out of imo.
Hey Sore Loser
Your name wouldn’t happen to be Daniel would it?
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delonick347 8/15/2022 12:09pm
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ns503 wrote:
You just twisted his words.

'account doesn't match' does not equal 'completely different account'.

Sore Loser wrote:
Correct. I in no way think Brennan looks worse after the engine builder interview. I expected stories to not line up fully all along. It’s been...
Correct. I in no way think Brennan looks worse after the engine builder interview. I expected stories to not line up fully all along. It’s been my overarching premise since post 1.

I think the engine builder did an excellent job of articulating his position, why stories (justifiably) wont match, and basically asked everyone for a bit of levity in this situation.

The engine builder was even man enough to want to apologize to Tim Cotter after all this. Yet we still see the forum dumping on the guy.

It was a hornets nest in the moment. Everyone, with exception of Brennan, probably wishes they’d acted differently. Things got said, leaked, story grew from there in the moment, and now after a few days to reflect, Derek Harris feels much different about it all - so should most of the mob. Good luck getting a refund on the pitchforks tho, the receipts were used to light the torch fires.

Heck, I bet at this point even Brennan wishes he’d done a few things differently. Like not drop the claim. Or maybe not, i dont expect adult level contrition from him. It took me 10+ years to look back when I was 17 and finally admit I could’ve acted differently in situations much less dynamic than this.

As of right now, EVERY party involved looks better than originally indicated with the exception of Matt Walker and Yamaha Donnie. They still got a deep hole to dig out of but we’ve yet to hear their side. And incredibly, ML is going to get them to talk.
Kmiller125 wrote:
Not trying to take everything you say apart but you don’t ever correctly address the entirety of what’s said, Derrick said now that he’s cooled off...
Not trying to take everything you say apart but you don’t ever correctly address the entirety of what’s said, Derrick said now that he’s cooled off he wishes he would have treated Tim differently in the moment only because he understands his stance as a promoter where he is coming from. He never said Tim was not in the wrong severely for inserting himself or going into a room to bully a minor. Tim was out of line and that’s apparent and Derek knows that. He just said he gets it from his perspective, it doesn’t forgive Cotters participation in the events any. Also if anything is certain after the interview it’s that they look as bad as initially thought or worse, it’s starting to narrow the truth down not the severity of the crime
He also has never addressed who he is, what his skin in the game is or why he has completely geeked out in every single thread on this topic.
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startbuttonarmpump wrote:
Great job! we need more info.
I feel like we pretty much got all the info and the only thing left is everybody’s spin on it.
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Sore Loser wrote:
I interpreted it differently than you then I guess. Seemed to me that Derek didn’t feel Cotter or Deegan did anything wrong. When Matt Walker’s name...
I interpreted it differently than you then I guess. Seemed to me that Derek didn’t feel Cotter or Deegan did anything wrong.

When Matt Walker’s name was brought up tho, boy did things take a turn. Should be interesting to hear his version. He’s got the benefit of batting cleanup. But again, very deep hole to dig out of imo.
I was wondering why all your posts have been getting downvoted so much and now I see why lol. From watching the interview with Derek you didn't feel that he thought Cotter or Deegan did anything wrong? You should probably rewatch it. Derek said Cotter told him the claim "wasn't fair to Deegan." He clearly thought that was wrong to say. He also said Cotter took Brennen in the trailer alone for 10 minutes or so then Deegan walked into the trailer. So it was just Brennen, cotter, and Deegan in there for 20-25 minutes. It was also clear he didn't agree with that as well.
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GangGreen 8/15/2022 12:19pm
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The upcoming Yamaha Corporation “Press Release” will terminate all association with MotoX Compound ( Matt Walker ) and will inform us that Donnie Luce has been terminated as Amateur MX Off-road Coordinator.
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Trav138 8/15/2022 12:26pm
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GangGreen wrote:
The upcoming Yamaha Corporation “Press Release” will terminate all association with MotoX Compound ( Matt Walker ) and will inform us that Donnie Luce has been...
The upcoming Yamaha Corporation “Press Release” will terminate all association with MotoX Compound ( Matt Walker ) and will inform us that Donnie Luce has been terminated as Amateur MX Off-road Coordinator.
Hopefully they give the kid some bikes and apologize up and fucking down to him and his family.
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Mr. Afterbar 8/15/2022 12:28pm
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GangGreen wrote:
The upcoming Yamaha Corporation “Press Release” will terminate all association with MotoX Compound ( Matt Walker ) and will inform us that Donnie Luce has been...
The upcoming Yamaha Corporation “Press Release” will terminate all association with MotoX Compound ( Matt Walker ) and will inform us that Donnie Luce has been terminated as Amateur MX Off-road Coordinator.
I honestly hope someone is held accountable for this. I think the rule is a good idea for the most part and I’d hate to see it go away. Claiming someone’s insanely modified bike should be rejoiced.
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JazzyJJ 8/15/2022 12:31pm
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GangGreen wrote:
The upcoming Yamaha Corporation “Press Release” will terminate all association with MotoX Compound ( Matt Walker ) and will inform us that Donnie Luce has been...
The upcoming Yamaha Corporation “Press Release” will terminate all association with MotoX Compound ( Matt Walker ) and will inform us that Donnie Luce has been terminated as Amateur MX Off-road Coordinator.
That would be a good start.
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Jeremy Macduff 8/15/2022 12:35pm
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Conkey wrote:
If Walker went after his own CLIENT, that is pretty spineless.
gt80rider wrote:
Walkers name was already incredibly tarnished.... now it's utter garbage... And now DC is in the dog house, and deservedly so... Deep in the dog house...
Walkers name was already incredibly tarnished.... now it's utter garbage...

And now DC is in the dog house, and deservedly so... Deep in the dog house..!.. problem is- his monopoly... he's the race promoter, as well as the sanctioning body, as well as the largest media source... gonna be a long, hard, fall from grace for DC....
DC is not the sanctioning body. That is the AMA. It’s their rules. Unfortunately I don’t think there’s much recourse here for going after the “influencers” in this situation. Sucks for Brennan losing his sponsorship. That seems ultra chicken shit. That dealer is a giant cunt.
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seth505 8/15/2022 12:37pm
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"Sore loser", 1) ironic since everyone on the opposite side of Brennan comes off as a sore loser and 2) Obviously, was sent here to do damage control on everyone not named Matt Walker. Also Ironic because none of them will care if Walker takes the fall after him gargling their balls.
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GangGreen wrote:
The upcoming Yamaha Corporation “Press Release” will terminate all association with MotoX Compound ( Matt Walker ) and will inform us that Donnie Luce has been...
The upcoming Yamaha Corporation “Press Release” will terminate all association with MotoX Compound ( Matt Walker ) and will inform us that Donnie Luce has been terminated as Amateur MX Off-road Coordinator.
Yeah I think Walker is being set up to take the fall here. It doesn’t take rocket appliances to figure out that he was leaned on to persuade Brennan. He is also the trainer of the son of said dealer’s owner.

May the truth set you free Matt, be transparent or continue to be part of the problem.
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Spoken to Deegan, Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Bobby Reagan, Walker, and a few others so far. Donnie Luce is up next. Almost got the whole story here…hopefully done late tonight or early tomorrow…
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ML512 wrote:
Spoken to Deegan, Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Bobby Reagan, Walker, and a few others so far. Donnie Luce is up next. Almost got the whole story here…hopefully...
Spoken to Deegan, Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Bobby Reagan, Walker, and a few others so far. Donnie Luce is up next. Almost got the whole story here…hopefully done late tonight or early tomorrow…
Great work 👍
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ML512 wrote:
Spoken to Deegan, Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Bobby Reagan, Walker, and a few others so far. Donnie Luce is up next. Almost got the whole story here…hopefully...
Spoken to Deegan, Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Bobby Reagan, Walker, and a few others so far. Donnie Luce is up next. Almost got the whole story here…hopefully done late tonight or early tomorrow…
Who’s getting fired because to be honest dont care about their lies
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Utah Moto 8/15/2022 1:05pm
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ML512 wrote:
Spoken to Deegan, Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Bobby Reagan, Walker, and a few others so far. Donnie Luce is up next. Almost got the whole story here…hopefully...
Spoken to Deegan, Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Bobby Reagan, Walker, and a few others so far. Donnie Luce is up next. Almost got the whole story here…hopefully done late tonight or early tomorrow…
DA498 wrote:
Who’s getting fired because to be honest dont care about their lies
You know they are going to Try and paint themselves in a good light. It will be up to everyone to either believe them or call the BS. For me it ends with Deegan and Cotter being in a room alone with Brennan and an attorney. If they don’t admit to that then nothing else has credibility. If they do admit to that… nothing else has credibility
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ML... imo I think you're going to get a really spun version of the events from one side of this situation. It's CYA time and they know it. It will be a "he said... she said kinda thing"...

They should give him that bike... the exact one.
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For me personally. I put a lot of truth into Brennans story because of what GL and Ping put out. It doesn’t get much more “insider” than those two so if they were willing to come out and make the video they did.. I think this whole story holds water. If not they both have some crow to eat. Can’t wait for ML’s content.
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"Donnie says: "Why are you doing this? There's parts inside that motor you can't buy."

Question asked and answered.

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DA498 8/15/2022 1:30pm
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JDirt wrote:
"Donnie says: "Why are you doing this? There's parts inside that motor you can't buy."

Question asked and answered.

I guess that doesnt fall into the line of discouraging the claim either.
grimsypro 8/15/2022 1:33pm
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Utah Moto wrote:
For me personally. I put a lot of truth into Brennans story because of what GL and Ping put out. It doesn’t get much more “insider”...
For me personally. I put a lot of truth into Brennans story because of what GL and Ping put out. It doesn’t get much more “insider” than those two so if they were willing to come out and make the video they did.. I think this whole story holds water. If not they both have some crow to eat. Can’t wait for ML’s content.
Have you got a link to the gl ping interview can't find anything on it?
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Donkey Kong 8/15/2022 1:38pm
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IMO Matt Walker is just the attack dog from Deegan. Deegan knew Walker is a bit nutty and would react like this. Walker is just the tool Deegan used for the job. Especially since a Yamaha rep was with him during the sit down. Deegan and Yamaha needed Walker to do the threatening to shield themselves from liability.
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Utah Moto 8/15/2022 1:41pm
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Utah Moto wrote:
For me personally. I put a lot of truth into Brennans story because of what GL and Ping put out. It doesn’t get much more “insider”...
For me personally. I put a lot of truth into Brennans story because of what GL and Ping put out. It doesn’t get much more “insider” than those two so if they were willing to come out and make the video they did.. I think this whole story holds water. If not they both have some crow to eat. Can’t wait for ML’s content.
grimsypro wrote:
Have you got a link to the gl ping interview can't find anything on it?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChQ1SUrr7JL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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