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4/11/2022 11:51am
Moto Nomad wrote:
Do we really need razor-sharp footpegs? The danger of having two spiky weapons on either side of the bike is obvious. I remember when metal fenders...
Do we really need razor-sharp footpegs? The danger of having two spiky weapons on either side of the bike is obvious. I remember when metal fenders were considered dangerous.
I think people are using “Razor Sharp” here literally, and these pegs are not incredibly comparable to a cutting edge. I think having sharp pegs is important to the amount of grip needed to maintain control in the conditions. I acknowledge the risk it poses, but there are plenty of measures that could be taken by riders/teams to mitigate this risk.
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4/11/2022 11:53am
MxRewind wrote:
Was deano also the one that got a foot peg to the leg back at Glenn Helen back on 250s? If so him and the pegs...
Was deano also the one that got a foot peg to the leg back at Glenn Helen back on 250s? If so him and the pegs just don’t like eachother
Yes that was Dean.
4/11/2022 11:59am
Moto Nomad wrote:
Do we really need razor-sharp footpegs? The danger of having two spiky weapons on either side of the bike is obvious. I remember when metal fenders...
Do we really need razor-sharp footpegs? The danger of having two spiky weapons on either side of the bike is obvious. I remember when metal fenders were considered dangerous.
I think people are using “Razor Sharp” here literally, and these pegs are not incredibly comparable to a cutting edge. I think having sharp pegs is...
I think people are using “Razor Sharp” here literally, and these pegs are not incredibly comparable to a cutting edge. I think having sharp pegs is important to the amount of grip needed to maintain control in the conditions. I acknowledge the risk it poses, but there are plenty of measures that could be taken by riders/teams to mitigate this risk.
What measures for example?
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4/11/2022 12:00pm
What a bummer. This season has been Deathcross to the max. It’s a bummer too because the field is always busted up and unhealthy heading into the outdoors.

I really feel like we would be better served at this point to let the dudes who want to race SX only do it and start building an outdoors only series.

MX and SX are totally different sports that require separate skills sets. I know the old school people will hate this but it is what it is, I’d rather see a full healthy gate at round 1 of MX than a beaten and battered gate who just went through 17 rounds of war with most not making it through unscathed.
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4/11/2022 12:06pm
Timo wrote:
Could have been saved if we actually wore protective riding gear instead of skin tight clothes made for gymnastics...
Really? What gear is available that is going to protect your ass from a razor sharp footpeg? I'll wait...
lol Chainmail


Was that his only injury? Hope he's back in time for MX!
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4/11/2022 12:11pm
Yes. Stainless underwear would protect us from hungry footpegs.
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4/11/2022 12:46pm
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a crash, yet idiotically sharp foot pegs are perfectly legal.

I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t care less if the guy lined up next to me has a gopro on his head, however I’m not super thrilled with the idea they have knife edge pegs on their bike that could cut me in the event of a pile up.
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rbspecial138
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4/11/2022 2:20pm
What measures for example?
Thicker material, different material (synthetic leather type)
Foam inserts between layers, plastic inserts between layers, compression shorts with padding, even more extreme measures like hockey breezers could be used to create a garment that offers more protection. I agree that footpegs present a clearly dangerous area of the bike, but these are choices that gear companies, riders, and consumers are all part of.
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4/11/2022 2:32pm
JM485 wrote:
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a...
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a crash, yet idiotically sharp foot pegs are perfectly legal.

I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t care less if the guy lined up next to me has a gopro on his head, however I’m not super thrilled with the idea they have knife edge pegs on their bike that could cut me in the event of a pile up.
How do you suggest the powers that be regulate the sharpness of a foot peg?
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4/11/2022 2:38pm
It’s the only answer!


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4/11/2022 2:47pm Edited Date/Time 4/11/2022 2:52pm
JM485 wrote:
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a...
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a crash, yet idiotically sharp foot pegs are perfectly legal.

I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t care less if the guy lined up next to me has a gopro on his head, however I’m not super thrilled with the idea they have knife edge pegs on their bike that could cut me in the event of a pile up.
You ride dirt bikes and your big concern is getting cut by footpegs?

Typical over reaction. Where were all you people before this weekend saying pegs are too sharp?

Maybe we need to go to belt drives as well instead of chain and sprockets cause those teeth are sharp!

Better yet why don’t these guys all just race in VR so no one gets injured.
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4/11/2022 2:53pm
Damn Deano, hoping you heal up soon. Glad you’re on the mend.
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4/11/2022 3:05pm Edited Date/Time 4/11/2022 3:09pm
JM485 wrote:
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a...
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a crash, yet idiotically sharp foot pegs are perfectly legal.

I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t care less if the guy lined up next to me has a gopro on his head, however I’m not super thrilled with the idea they have knife edge pegs on their bike that could cut me in the event of a pile up.
This is a discussion that needs to be had and a spec needs to be enforced.

No external sharp edges. PERIOD.

Anyone know why there are "balls" on the ends of your levers?
Why your racing exhaust has a radiused cap?
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4/11/2022 3:27pm Edited Date/Time 4/11/2022 3:27pm
JM485 wrote:
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a...
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a crash, yet idiotically sharp foot pegs are perfectly legal.

I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t care less if the guy lined up next to me has a gopro on his head, however I’m not super thrilled with the idea they have knife edge pegs on their bike that could cut me in the event of a pile up.
TeamGreen wrote:
This is a discussion that needs to be had and a spec needs to be enforced. No external sharp edges. PERIOD. Anyone know why there are...
This is a discussion that needs to be had and a spec needs to be enforced.

No external sharp edges. PERIOD.

Anyone know why there are "balls" on the ends of your levers?
Why your racing exhaust has a radiused cap?
So sprockets are out to and brake discs? Where was the out cry for dull pegs before this weekend?

Make the pegs dull and guys feet will slip off the pegs and tear their knees and ankles up.

It was a million to one incident.
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4/11/2022 3:47pm
soggy wrote:
So sprockets are out to and brake discs? Where was the out cry for dull pegs before this weekend? Make the pegs dull and guys feet...
So sprockets are out to and brake discs? Where was the out cry for dull pegs before this weekend?

Make the pegs dull and guys feet will slip off the pegs and tear their knees and ankles up.

It was a million to one incident.
My point was mainly to point out the absurdity and inconsistency in safety protocols, not to call for the ban on sharp foot pegs. Gopros “could” hurt you and are illegal, sharp pegs can hurt others but are legal was the gist of it.

That said, I don’t think this was a million to one incident at all, especially considering it’s happened before. I tend to air on the side of “less is more” when it comes to regulation in general because it tends to become overbearing (looking at you government. . .), but I also think some thought needs to be put into how sharp these pegs really need to be and maybe have some kind of understanding between teams and riders that crazy sharp may not be the best idea from a common sense standpoint. There probably isn’t ever going to be a “standard” that can be followed, but if you’re having to put tennis balls over them in the pits so nobody loses a shin that might be a clue that they’re a bit on the excessively sharp side.
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4/11/2022 3:56pm
JM485 wrote:
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a...
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a crash, yet idiotically sharp foot pegs are perfectly legal.

I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t care less if the guy lined up next to me has a gopro on his head, however I’m not super thrilled with the idea they have knife edge pegs on their bike that could cut me in the event of a pile up.
Sawfish wrote:
How do you suggest the powers that be regulate the sharpness of a foot peg?
It's pretty easy, don't allow them to be filed to a razor's edge, like they are now.
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4/11/2022 4:00pm Edited Date/Time 4/11/2022 4:01pm
JM485 wrote:
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a...
It’s incredible to me that we ban GoPros based off very little, if any, real world data that suggests they could cause additional injury in a crash, yet idiotically sharp foot pegs are perfectly legal.

I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t care less if the guy lined up next to me has a gopro on his head, however I’m not super thrilled with the idea they have knife edge pegs on their bike that could cut me in the event of a pile up.
TeamGreen wrote:
This is a discussion that needs to be had and a spec needs to be enforced. No external sharp edges. PERIOD. Anyone know why there are...
This is a discussion that needs to be had and a spec needs to be enforced.

No external sharp edges. PERIOD.

Anyone know why there are "balls" on the ends of your levers?
Why your racing exhaust has a radiused cap?
soggy wrote:
So sprockets are out to and brake discs? Where was the out cry for dull pegs before this weekend? Make the pegs dull and guys feet...
So sprockets are out to and brake discs? Where was the out cry for dull pegs before this weekend?

Make the pegs dull and guys feet will slip off the pegs and tear their knees and ankles up.

It was a million to one incident.
Sharp edges on brake discs are considered unsafe. Check your disc edges and see if they've been made smooth at the factory.

You can't have the outer-edges of the pegs NOT be filed sharp...? If you do you'll slide off of them? Really? Stock pegs are that bad when they're new?

No worries. I guess we'll disagree on this.
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4/11/2022 4:01pm
Timo wrote:
Could have been saved if we actually wore protective riding gear instead of skin tight clothes made for gymnastics...
Really? What gear is available that is going to protect your ass from a razor sharp footpeg? I'll wait...
Kevlar briefs …. or boxers. …?
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4/11/2022 4:32pm
Fuck me! I get dizzy and weak just listening to him describe his injury… and then someone posts a picture of his hammy that he ruined at Glen Helen. Sick Get well soon Deano. The racing is better with you out there!
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4/11/2022 4:45pm
soggy wrote:
So sprockets are out to and brake discs? Where was the out cry for dull pegs before this weekend? Make the pegs dull and guys feet...
So sprockets are out to and brake discs? Where was the out cry for dull pegs before this weekend?

Make the pegs dull and guys feet will slip off the pegs and tear their knees and ankles up.

It was a million to one incident.
JM485 wrote:
My point was mainly to point out the absurdity and inconsistency in safety protocols, not to call for the ban on sharp foot pegs. Gopros “could”...
My point was mainly to point out the absurdity and inconsistency in safety protocols, not to call for the ban on sharp foot pegs. Gopros “could” hurt you and are illegal, sharp pegs can hurt others but are legal was the gist of it.

That said, I don’t think this was a million to one incident at all, especially considering it’s happened before. I tend to air on the side of “less is more” when it comes to regulation in general because it tends to become overbearing (looking at you government. . .), but I also think some thought needs to be put into how sharp these pegs really need to be and maybe have some kind of understanding between teams and riders that crazy sharp may not be the best idea from a common sense standpoint. There probably isn’t ever going to be a “standard” that can be followed, but if you’re having to put tennis balls over them in the pits so nobody loses a shin that might be a clue that they’re a bit on the excessively sharp side.
I dunno how you would govern it. And a peg that isn’t as sharp could be more dangerous for the rider because they can’t control the bike as well. Pretty sure you want sharp pegs when your blitzing whoops so you don’t lose a foot off the peg. That would be ugly. On top of that there is no evidence that a peg that was 25 % less sharp or whatever would have caused less damage. It would still be sharp enough to cut and instead of slicing it would have more tendency to tear the skin rather then cut through it which could be worse.
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No spokes , No sprockets. , No hot exhaust, No Jumps. , No Whoops , No sharp Pegs , No 450s , No tuff blocks
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OR Racer46 wrote:
No spokes , No sprockets. , No hot exhaust, No Jumps. , No Whoops , No sharp Pegs , No 450s , No tuff blocks
Right? And no gas, that stuff is flamable. And then we can't have electric bike either as we can't risk anyone getting electrocuted.

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4/11/2022 7:24pm
Just texted a little w/Dean: he’s in good spirits.

If tomorrow goes well, maybe he can go home soon.
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4/11/2022 9:11pm
Motoxdoc wrote:
Fuck me! I get dizzy and weak just listening to him describe his injury… and then someone posts a picture of his hammy that he ruined...
Fuck me! I get dizzy and weak just listening to him describe his injury… and then someone posts a picture of his hammy that he ruined at Glen Helen. Sick Get well soon Deano. The racing is better with you out there!
Ironic username you have there
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4/11/2022 11:14pm
Switch wrote:
Ironic username you have there
Of all the docs there are, very few deal with bloody messes. That’s one reason I’m not a surgeon. It’s funny, if I’m there in real time I have no problem switching into gear and rendering first aid in an emergency. But when I look at pictures or footage of horrific accidents of people that did not die and I have time to think about it, I have a way of putting myself in their boots and feeling their pain. That’s what racing MX for 44 years, breaking more then, 30 bones and sustaining multiple abrasions, contusions and lacerations gives you…a sort of physical empathy. Now if my screen name was MotoXsurgeon that would be ironic.
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Switch wrote:
Ironic username you have there
Motoxdoc wrote:
Of all the docs there are, very few deal with bloody messes. That’s one reason I’m not a surgeon. It’s funny, if I’m there in real...
Of all the docs there are, very few deal with bloody messes. That’s one reason I’m not a surgeon. It’s funny, if I’m there in real time I have no problem switching into gear and rendering first aid in an emergency. But when I look at pictures or footage of horrific accidents of people that did not die and I have time to think about it, I have a way of putting myself in their boots and feeling their pain. That’s what racing MX for 44 years, breaking more then, 30 bones and sustaining multiple abrasions, contusions and lacerations gives you…a sort of physical empathy. Now if my screen name was MotoXsurgeon that would be ironic.
So what is your medical training and qualifications? What area of medicine do you practice?
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4/12/2022 9:33am
Bruce372 wrote:
So what is your medical training and qualifications? What area of medicine do you practice?
I didn’t go to med school and I don’t practice in an area of medicine. Like Dr G, I’m a Chiropractor.
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4/12/2022 9:42am
Actually sounds pretty serious. More of a tear than a cut. Difficult to stich and keep infection out. Hope he heals up 100%.
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Yeah the infection part worries me, ugh!
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Timo wrote:
Could have been saved if we actually wore protective riding gear instead of skin tight clothes made for gymnastics...
Really? What gear is available that is going to protect your ass from a razor sharp footpeg? I'll wait...
toroP wrote:
Kevlar briefs …. or boxers. …?
Thick leather, ballistic nylon, kevlar plates, lots of things are better than 0.5mm polyester...

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