Shell rotella equivalent

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adamw21 3/1/2022 3:07pm
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crusher773 wrote:
Amsoil has several that are actually an upgrade guys. I'm a dealer and been getting tons of business off of Rotella being empty. Lots of feedback...
Amsoil has several that are actually an upgrade guys. I'm a dealer and been getting tons of business off of Rotella being empty. Lots of feedback that they aren't going back because their trucks get better mileage with Amsoil. Anybody can hit me up be glad to set you up with a discount and it just drop ships to your door.
Sandusky26 wrote:
You should become a Rotella dealer and hook us up.
crusher773 wrote:
Why would I want to do that? I can actually get Amsoil and it's a far superior product line.
This isn’t a oil debate could care less for amsoil and their thirsty sellers makes the product seem bad when you have to cram it down peoples throats
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rohleder644 3/1/2022 3:21pm
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So what exactly are you asking? What is an “equivalent” oil? What is it about the several suggested oils that don’t cut it for you. What are your parameters exactly?
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Broseph 3/1/2022 3:39pm
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crusher773 wrote:
Why would I want to do that? I can actually get Amsoil and it's a far superior product line.
As the great Mark Twain once tweeted:
“There are three types of lies: Lies, damned lies, and sales pitches disguised as honest opinions on Vital.”
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Bruce372 wrote:
In stock everywhere I've been in California recently
I haven’t seen a bottle in over a month, weird.

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adamw21 3/1/2022 4:57pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
In stock everywhere I've been in California recently
JM485 wrote:
I haven’t seen a bottle in over a month, weird.
Same here. Got my hands on a bucket tho
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H.E.penyypacker432 3/1/2022 5:09pm
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can buy a gallon of it for 14 bucks at Home Depot. I just bought four of them for my "work truck"
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Looks like T4 is available on Amazon. About twice the normal price though.
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adamw21 3/1/2022 5:16pm
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Broseph wrote:
Looks like T4 is available on Amazon. About twice the normal price though.
Got a bucket for 64$
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crusher773 3/1/2022 5:33pm
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crusher773 wrote:
Why would I want to do that? I can actually get Amsoil and it's a far superior product line.
Broseph wrote:
As the great Mark Twain once tweeted:
“There are three types of lies: Lies, damned lies, and sales pitches disguised as honest opinions on Vital.”
I don't do sales pitches I was just offering an alternative to the question asked. I wasn't cramming it down anyone's throat either. Just trying to help.
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We’ve been buying Supertech or Delvac for the trucks lately because Rotella has been hit or miss on availability.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
You should become a Rotella dealer and hook us up.
crusher773 wrote:
Why would I want to do that? I can actually get Amsoil and it's a far superior product line.
adamw21 wrote:
This isn’t a oil debate could care less for amsoil and their thirsty sellers makes the product seem bad when you have to cram it down...
This isn’t a oil debate could care less for amsoil and their thirsty sellers makes the product seem bad when you have to cram it down peoples throats
Here is a guy offering you an alternative American product WITH A DISCOUNT that supports American racing because you can't find it that other regular Rotella users are liking apparently and you kick him in the nuts.

Makes sense.

Makes sense of a lot around here really. #patriots
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Broseph 3/1/2022 6:34pm
3/1/2022 6:34pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2022 6:35pm
crusher773 wrote:
Why would I want to do that? I can actually get Amsoil and it's a far superior product line.
Broseph wrote:
As the great Mark Twain once tweeted:
“There are three types of lies: Lies, damned lies, and sales pitches disguised as honest opinions on Vital.”
crusher773 wrote:
I don't do sales pitches I was just offering an alternative to the question asked. I wasn't cramming it down anyone's throat either. Just trying to...
I don't do sales pitches I was just offering an alternative to the question asked. I wasn't cramming it down anyone's throat either. Just trying to help.
We’re all good, man. Just having some fun. It’s an oil thread after all!
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Broseph 3/1/2022 6:44pm
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crusher773 wrote:
Why would I want to do that? I can actually get Amsoil and it's a far superior product line.
adamw21 wrote:
This isn’t a oil debate could care less for amsoil and their thirsty sellers makes the product seem bad when you have to cram it down...
This isn’t a oil debate could care less for amsoil and their thirsty sellers makes the product seem bad when you have to cram it down peoples throats
Heggo wrote:
Here is a guy offering you an alternative American product WITH A DISCOUNT that supports American racing [i]because you can't find it[/i] that other regular Rotella...
Here is a guy offering you an alternative American product WITH A DISCOUNT that supports American racing because you can't find it that other regular Rotella users are liking apparently and you kick him in the nuts.

Makes sense.

Makes sense of a lot around here really. #patriots
The amount of mental gymnastics it took to arrive at your conclusory hashtag truly bottles the mind.
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captmoto 3/1/2022 6:49pm
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JM485 wrote:
I haven’t seen a bottle in over a month, weird.
Not in the 2 SoCal one in Scottsdale, AZ. I've been in.
Rotella is not a miracle oil, it's not the oil it was 5 years ago, it's just cheap and that's what matters the most here.

No motorcycle oils but this site is pretty detailed and what I looked at showed that the car oils out there are what they claim to be. There are some pretty obscure oils out there.

Regarding Amsoil, a friend of mine has a KTM with 220 hours on it. He decided to have the motor opened up and refreshed. His mechanic called to confirm that the motor had never been opened up. He thought there was a problem but his mechanic said the thing looked new inside. YMMV. I still would rather change oil every 6-8 hours than spend Amsoil prices.

ETA,
https://pqia.org/
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Broseph 3/1/2022 6:53pm
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JM485 wrote:
I haven’t seen a bottle in over a month, weird.
captmoto wrote:
Not in the 2 SoCal one in Scottsdale, AZ. I've been in. Rotella is not a miracle oil, it's not the oil it was 5 years...
Not in the 2 SoCal one in Scottsdale, AZ. I've been in.
Rotella is not a miracle oil, it's not the oil it was 5 years ago, it's just cheap and that's what matters the most here.

No motorcycle oils but this site is pretty detailed and what I looked at showed that the car oils out there are what they claim to be. There are some pretty obscure oils out there.

Regarding Amsoil, a friend of mine has a KTM with 220 hours on it. He decided to have the motor opened up and refreshed. His mechanic called to confirm that the motor had never been opened up. He thought there was a problem but his mechanic said the thing looked new inside. YMMV. I still would rather change oil every 6-8 hours than spend Amsoil prices.

ETA,
https://pqia.org/
Could you describe what you mean by “it’s not the oil it was 5 years ago”?
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Castrol GTX is all you need for dirt-bikes.
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Super tech makes a 15w-40 oil, I've ran it in my bikes without issue. Then I discovered the super tech 20w-50 full synthetic oil and have been running it instead. You can occasionally get it at $5 a quart!
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profeshenal125 3/1/2022 8:51pm
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wrc777 wrote:
Walmart has Valvoline 10w-40 for ATV/motorcycle for $4.50/quart. Synthetic for ~$8. I think the Honda GN4 is ~$6/quart and it lasts longer before shifting and clutch...
Walmart has Valvoline 10w-40 for ATV/motorcycle for $4.50/quart. Synthetic for ~$8. I think the Honda GN4 is ~$6/quart and it lasts longer before shifting and clutch action start feeling funny than Rotella. I have not tried the Valvoline, but I bet it works better than Rotella too.
Walmart had the best grease for greasing king pins on a trk. I,ve been to a few Walmart’s in diff states they dropped it. The grease was black in color. I use kastrol gtx reg oil for personal vehicles. That’s becoming hard to find also. I change oil every 1,200 mi. I don’t care for that % of synthetic molicuel oil.
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toomanykaws 3/1/2022 9:14pm
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Got a 2.5 gallon Rotella at Home Depot for $32
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toomanykaws 3/1/2022 9:16pm
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JM485 wrote:
I haven’t seen a bottle in over a month, weird.
captmoto wrote:
Not in the 2 SoCal one in Scottsdale, AZ. I've been in. Rotella is not a miracle oil, it's not the oil it was 5 years...
Not in the 2 SoCal one in Scottsdale, AZ. I've been in.
Rotella is not a miracle oil, it's not the oil it was 5 years ago, it's just cheap and that's what matters the most here.

No motorcycle oils but this site is pretty detailed and what I looked at showed that the car oils out there are what they claim to be. There are some pretty obscure oils out there.

Regarding Amsoil, a friend of mine has a KTM with 220 hours on it. He decided to have the motor opened up and refreshed. His mechanic called to confirm that the motor had never been opened up. He thought there was a problem but his mechanic said the thing looked new inside. YMMV. I still would rather change oil every 6-8 hours than spend Amsoil prices.

ETA,
https://pqia.org/
Broseph wrote:
Could you describe what you mean by “it’s not the oil it was 5 years ago”?
Gov and EPA regulations, oil companies had to remove many of the good ingredients in oils. Especially from many of the Diesel grades.
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BigBoreFan58 wrote:
Castrol GTX is all you need for dirt-bikes.
Sand motos + no diesel oil = crank life reduced by half.

Ask me how I know.
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Broseph 3/1/2022 9:30pm
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captmoto wrote:
Not in the 2 SoCal one in Scottsdale, AZ. I've been in. Rotella is not a miracle oil, it's not the oil it was 5 years...
Not in the 2 SoCal one in Scottsdale, AZ. I've been in.
Rotella is not a miracle oil, it's not the oil it was 5 years ago, it's just cheap and that's what matters the most here.

No motorcycle oils but this site is pretty detailed and what I looked at showed that the car oils out there are what they claim to be. There are some pretty obscure oils out there.

Regarding Amsoil, a friend of mine has a KTM with 220 hours on it. He decided to have the motor opened up and refreshed. His mechanic called to confirm that the motor had never been opened up. He thought there was a problem but his mechanic said the thing looked new inside. YMMV. I still would rather change oil every 6-8 hours than spend Amsoil prices.

ETA,
https://pqia.org/
Broseph wrote:
Could you describe what you mean by “it’s not the oil it was 5 years ago”?
toomanykaws wrote:
Gov and EPA regulations, oil companies had to remove many of the good ingredients in oils. Especially from many of the Diesel grades.
That didn’t happen with Rotella and Valvoline though. The latest specs allow the 40wt oils to carry the same amount of zddp the older oils did (and even carry the SN gas rating while doing so if I recall). For some reason Delo and Delvac backed off on their additives anyway. Not sure why.

Shell and Valvoline did not.

The additive package in Rotella looks as good as ever. CK-4 specifies increased shear and high temp stability. What’s not to like?

This website has all the details. Feel free to look up the different oils for yourself: https://pqia.org/
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I do not know what is worse, a thread on religion, politics, or a oil thread?? LOLSilly
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Good things come to he who waits.

And great things come to he who hustle! Smile


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Bruce372 wrote:
Good things come to he who waits. And great things come to he who hustle! :) [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/03/01/536172/s1200_20220301_215955.jpg[/img]
Good things come to he who waits.

And great things come to he who hustle! Smile


I’ll trade you some Amsoil.
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Bruce372 wrote:
Good things come to he who waits. And great things come to he who hustle! :) [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/03/01/536172/s1200_20220301_215955.jpg[/img]
Good things come to he who waits.

And great things come to he who hustle! Smile


That’s like gold !
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just looked it up at home depot by my work, 25 gallons in stock, going to have to go grab some
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Fouled Plug wrote:
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/shell-rotella-t-triple-protec…
adamw21 wrote:
Of course I can find it that’s not the issue. Buy shipping a gallon of oil or more is going to be crazy expensive. Seems as...
Of course I can find it that’s not the issue. Buy shipping a gallon of oil or more is going to be crazy expensive. Seems as if Devlac is the equivalent
TyRod wrote:
The main thing about Rotella T4 was that it had the JASO-MA2 rating as suggested for wet clutches in the manual. I haven't saw that on...
The main thing about Rotella T4 was that it had the JASO-MA2 rating as suggested for wet clutches in the manual. I haven't saw that on any other diesel formula when looking as well since I've had no issues with Rotella since I can't find it locally as well.
This may be because Shell was the only manufacturer who bothered to pay the $50,000 to have the oil tested and JASO certified. (I'm not sure if it's $50K... it may be $100K for all I know...)

Other oils might certainly perform as well, but never had the rating confirmed by testing.

Another thing to think about when buying truck oils, automotive oils, etc, is that we have wet clutches. Look for the ANSI label on the back and don't get anything farther down the alphabet than "SK." (SL, SN, etc.) Moto Tribology can correct me here, but I believe that's the acceptable level of friction modifiers. Anything higher than SK may cause your clutch to slip.
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Broseph 3/2/2022 9:02am
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adamw21 wrote:
Of course I can find it that’s not the issue. Buy shipping a gallon of oil or more is going to be crazy expensive. Seems as...
Of course I can find it that’s not the issue. Buy shipping a gallon of oil or more is going to be crazy expensive. Seems as if Devlac is the equivalent
TyRod wrote:
The main thing about Rotella T4 was that it had the JASO-MA2 rating as suggested for wet clutches in the manual. I haven't saw that on...
The main thing about Rotella T4 was that it had the JASO-MA2 rating as suggested for wet clutches in the manual. I haven't saw that on any other diesel formula when looking as well since I've had no issues with Rotella since I can't find it locally as well.
Falcon wrote:
This may be because Shell was the only manufacturer who bothered to pay the $50,000 to have the oil tested and JASO certified. (I'm not sure...
This may be because Shell was the only manufacturer who bothered to pay the $50,000 to have the oil tested and JASO certified. (I'm not sure if it's $50K... it may be $100K for all I know...)

Other oils might certainly perform as well, but never had the rating confirmed by testing.

Another thing to think about when buying truck oils, automotive oils, etc, is that we have wet clutches. Look for the ANSI label on the back and don't get anything farther down the alphabet than "SK." (SL, SN, etc.) Moto Tribology can correct me here, but I believe that's the acceptable level of friction modifiers. Anything higher than SK may cause your clutch to slip.
I think that’s partially true, but the heavier 40wt and 50wt oils aren’t ever considered “energy conserving” simply due to their weight. I believe this exempts them from needing those friction modifiers. But yeah, if you run 30wt and lower, this is a problem you might run into.

For example, see this page:
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/api-sn.php

The first column shows SN rated oils 30wt and under needing to have under 800ppm phosphorus. The center column labeled “other” is where the 40wt and above weights would fall. The max phosphorus value there is “NR”. Meaning there’s basically no upper limit.

Just one example of the heavier oils not needing to abide by the latest emissions regulations.
motoarmageddon 3/2/2022 8:59pm
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I ran Wesson oil in my TT500 never had a problem…should i keep using it?

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