STARK FUTURE VARG - An Electric Bike that is Faster and Lighter than a 450?

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Falcon 12/14/2021 7:47am
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I'm interested, especially since it looks like you can tune the engine characteristics. No engine braking for me, please!
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Silas444 12/14/2021 7:53am
12/14/2021 7:53am Edited Date/Time 12/14/2021 7:56am
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Maybe you need to move on from your coastal elite mentality
Bruce372 wrote:
I grew up on a farm in the North of England and own a home in the Midwest. So jog on mate
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I’m guessing that home in the Midwest is your second home away from Silicon Valley?
Holy crap, it's like it's the Spring of 1974 all over again and Honda just released the CR125 Elsinore. Most guys are delirious with joy, but a sad few are whining and bitching about how much they're going to miss wrenching on the Sachs transmissions of their suddenly obsolete Pentons.

Johnny Ringo, your capacity for narrow-mindedness and reflexive hostility is legendary around here - this, we know - but whether you're willing to acknowledge it or not, we all woke up to the future this morning. Well then, is it perfect? No, it is not. Is it everything we could hope for? No, it is not. Is it inexpensive? No, it is not. Is it The Future regardless? Yup.

Take heart, you can still head out to Pala or wherever with that guy who says he could never put up with an electric bike because he motos 8 hours straight 8 days a week, and you can sniff his spent VP exhaust fumes to your heart's content. He'll be your "huckleberry," so there's that. And should you become lonely out there at the track and find yourself curious where the rest of us have run off to, let me fill you in: we're all quietly riding at a host of newly formed private tracks whilst reveling in where this glorious sport is now headed.
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Bruce372 wrote:
I bet you guys have some great fisherman's tales. I don't believe the majority off riders put in more than an hour on a local track...
I bet you guys have some great fisherman's tales. I don't believe the majority off riders put in more than an hour on a local track day.

District races, 15 minutes practise and two 5 lap motos ain't gonna use a full charge.
BobPA wrote:
Depends on the track actually. Most of the tracks I ride allow open riding all day. Anywhere from 2-4 hours on the bike before the cardio...
Depends on the track actually. Most of the tracks I ride allow open riding all day. Anywhere from 2-4 hours on the bike before the cardio gives up.

I also ride a lot of off-road, but this model is not yet designed for that. The current capacity of electric bikes would be on the ragged edge of being able to complete a dual sport event (110 miles or so). No way they could finish a GNCC, nor a basic harescramble. But, the technology is not far off.

I am not against electric, not at all. Get off your imaginary high horse chief, would not want you to spill your cappuccino on this fine morning.
Bob , I was thinking the same thing. These would be fantastic for off road/GNCC/ AWRCS etc, mainly due to the tunability factor and complete lack of vibration . Just battery life is just a notch or two away.. Starting to get interesting, another reason to wish I was 32 again instead of 62 ,lmao !!
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SeaClassExpert 12/14/2021 8:00am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
Welcome to capitalism.

They can either adapt or not. Their choice.
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HonDawg17 12/14/2021 8:16am
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(as i'm still laughing) oh my god...you guys really think this is the future? HA. 1-2 hour charge? i can refuel a bike in 20 seconds or less and be on my way. 242 lbs?...it has to be lighter. Has to be able to change the power delivery. Have you guys never had a bar pad come off?, that "phone" they put there is going to fly off in a whoops section. Don't even get me started on the price tag, what a rip off. literally nothing is a positive. Nothing field proven, doesn't have engine sound. Doesn't have a clutch for throttle regulation, only twisting the throttle for response? give me a break.
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HonDawg17 12/14/2021 8:18am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
SeaClassExpert wrote:
Welcome to capitalism.

They can either adapt or not. Their choice.
i don't think you spelled communism correctly...
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HonDawg17 wrote:
(as i'm still laughing) oh my god...you guys really think this is the future? HA. 1-2 hour charge? i can refuel a bike in 20 seconds...
(as i'm still laughing) oh my god...you guys really think this is the future? HA. 1-2 hour charge? i can refuel a bike in 20 seconds or less and be on my way. 242 lbs?...it has to be lighter. Has to be able to change the power delivery. Have you guys never had a bar pad come off?, that "phone" they put there is going to fly off in a whoops section. Don't even get me started on the price tag, what a rip off. literally nothing is a positive. Nothing field proven, doesn't have engine sound. Doesn't have a clutch for throttle regulation, only twisting the throttle for response? give me a break.
Seriously ?? Dude ,did you even spend a couple minutes watching the vid ? Do you also suffer from other "premature" issues ????
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JK BRO 12/14/2021 8:24am
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Where's the real world testing? At least Alta produced an electric bike and gave average riders the chance to experience it first hand. This looks like some kickstarter BS.

All I see is some dude's that look like Esports shout casters telling me how awesome their bike is.

I'd rather spend my $100 reservation on a couple tri tips and some beer.
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hanzhonglboy1 12/14/2021 8:26am
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38special wrote:
1999, meet 2021: :sick: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/12/14/522847/s1200_99YZ.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/12/14/522848/s1200_2021_Stark.jpg[/img]
1999, meet 2021: Sick









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Turtle neck sweater with a blazer....Bold strategy Cotton.
aeffertz wrote:
Do you think the owners of KTM, Honda, Kawasaki, etc are packings dips, drinking cheap beer and wearing cut off t-shirts? Why are you even talking...
Do you think the owners of KTM, Honda, Kawasaki, etc are packings dips, drinking cheap beer and wearing cut off t-shirts?

Why are you even talking about fashion in this thread? Dizzy
based on my experience in my local series, they are. Fans are too based on what I see at the outdoors events.
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HonDawg17 12/14/2021 8:28am
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HonDawg17 wrote:
(as i'm still laughing) oh my god...you guys really think this is the future? HA. 1-2 hour charge? i can refuel a bike in 20 seconds...
(as i'm still laughing) oh my god...you guys really think this is the future? HA. 1-2 hour charge? i can refuel a bike in 20 seconds or less and be on my way. 242 lbs?...it has to be lighter. Has to be able to change the power delivery. Have you guys never had a bar pad come off?, that "phone" they put there is going to fly off in a whoops section. Don't even get me started on the price tag, what a rip off. literally nothing is a positive. Nothing field proven, doesn't have engine sound. Doesn't have a clutch for throttle regulation, only twisting the throttle for response? give me a break.
OldPro277 wrote:
Seriously ?? Dude ,did you even spend a couple minutes watching the vid ? Do you also suffer from other "premature" issues ????
It's okay you have a little man complex and need to lash out. But BRO, the bike has so much more negative than positive compared to what we currently have. If its not actually better in at least 75% of the checklist, its irrellevant.
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JK BRO 12/14/2021 8:33am
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Silas444 wrote:
Holy crap, it's like it's the Spring of 1974 all over again and Honda just released the CR125 Elsinore. Most guys are delirious with joy, but...
Holy crap, it's like it's the Spring of 1974 all over again and Honda just released the CR125 Elsinore. Most guys are delirious with joy, but a sad few are whining and bitching about how much they're going to miss wrenching on the Sachs transmissions of their suddenly obsolete Pentons.

Johnny Ringo, your capacity for narrow-mindedness and reflexive hostility is legendary around here - this, we know - but whether you're willing to acknowledge it or not, we all woke up to the future this morning. Well then, is it perfect? No, it is not. Is it everything we could hope for? No, it is not. Is it inexpensive? No, it is not. Is it The Future regardless? Yup.

Take heart, you can still head out to Pala or wherever with that guy who says he could never put up with an electric bike because he motos 8 hours straight 8 days a week, and you can sniff his spent VP exhaust fumes to your heart's content. He'll be your "huckleberry," so there's that. And should you become lonely out there at the track and find yourself curious where the rest of us have run off to, let me fill you in: we're all quietly riding at a host of newly formed private tracks whilst reveling in where this glorious sport is now headed.
I bet you believed we were going to have flying cars too.

Did your parents also tell you that you can do anything as long as you put your mind to it?
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OldPro277 12/14/2021 8:38am
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HonDawg17 wrote:
(as i'm still laughing) oh my god...you guys really think this is the future? HA. 1-2 hour charge? i can refuel a bike in 20 seconds...
(as i'm still laughing) oh my god...you guys really think this is the future? HA. 1-2 hour charge? i can refuel a bike in 20 seconds or less and be on my way. 242 lbs?...it has to be lighter. Has to be able to change the power delivery. Have you guys never had a bar pad come off?, that "phone" they put there is going to fly off in a whoops section. Don't even get me started on the price tag, what a rip off. literally nothing is a positive. Nothing field proven, doesn't have engine sound. Doesn't have a clutch for throttle regulation, only twisting the throttle for response? give me a break.
OldPro277 wrote:
Seriously ?? Dude ,did you even spend a couple minutes watching the vid ? Do you also suffer from other "premature" issues ????
HonDawg17 wrote:
It's okay you have a little man complex and need to lash out. But BRO, the bike has so much more negative than positive compared to...
It's okay you have a little man complex and need to lash out. But BRO, the bike has so much more negative than positive compared to what we currently have. If its not actually better in at least 75% of the checklist, its irrellevant.
At 6' 3"-- 215, I doubt that is my problem, lmao---- My issue with your comments , is that you obviously didn't even bother to watch the video (which is full of information) before you threw up your diatribe. The bike has an infinite amount of tunability ---including how much "engine braking" you can dial up, among many other attributes.

At least familiarize yourself with something before you bash it---particularly stating "problems" that aren't even there.. Makes you look a bit ridiculous
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colintrax 12/14/2021 8:40am
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HonDawg17 wrote:
i don't think you spelled communism correctly...
Grinning you should post more often, I need a good laugh.
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SonofThor32 12/14/2021 8:52am
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FGR01 wrote:
charge lasts 1-moto? So, if I am racing 2 classes/4 motos..... I obviously don't have 1-2 hrs between every moto to sit there charging. So I...
charge lasts 1-moto?

So, if I am racing 2 classes/4 motos.....

I obviously don't have 1-2 hrs between every moto to sit there charging. So I suppose I buy 3 spare batteries at about $8K/each and do a massive bike tear down between every moto?

Oh, and we're going to have a sea of generators going all day long at MX races? That will be enjoyable. Now the noise is in the pits instead of on the track, Or are we going to expect track owners to install electrical supply and distro capable of charging all these bikes... when most MX tracks are in BFE where clean porta-shitters are too much to expect.

Sorry to buzz kill Bros, but electric bike might be a good option for training on your home tracks and that's about it. Stop all the "new dawn for the sport" talk.

Let's not forget, the California ban on gas powered tools also includes portable generators.
Not to mention, electric motors like this need a cool-down period. So the theory of just carrying 3K worth of batteries and just throwing in a new battery when one depletes and keep on riding is not happening either. While the tech is cool, this is not yet practical for an average day at the track, between charging batteries, cooling motors, not happening. For backyard fun or having as a rad novelty toy to play with on practice days this would be cool.

With no knowledge of ergonomics, suspension and handling performance, I am surprised folks are throwing money towards them already, must have a lot more money to play with than I do. The large HP claims are amazing, but that doesn't mean anything if it handles like crap. I appreciate the optimism, but I think we are getting a few feet ahead of ourselves here.
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twotwosix 12/14/2021 9:07am
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GUEST: ERIC PERONNARD/STARK VARG

PulpMX talks to Eric Peronnard about his involvement with the new Stark e-motorcycle, how it is to ride one, when they’re available and more. Then touch on some of the things he promotes, whether the World SX has a future, ESPN and SX and more.

http://pulpmx.com/podcast/guest-eric-peronnard-stark-varg/




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Pop Shmoke 12/14/2021 9:07am
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This thing is only 20hp less than a 600cc sportbike lol.
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dcg141 12/14/2021 9:18am
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Wonder if they will run into the same direct issues that Tesla did. Some states allow it and others don’t. Many states have not been tested as Tesla has not tried. Not street legal may factor in but SXS’s have VIN numbers and most states require a dealer to sell them. Gotta wonder if this a company that’s built to sell as I think Alta was. Looks like a solid product.

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MiguelT. 12/14/2021 9:38am
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Pop Shmoke wrote:
This thing is only 20hp less than a 600cc sportbike lol.
doest even come close..., 600cc 4 cylinder is 130 to 150 hp..
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spimx 12/14/2021 9:40am
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You probably have to buy a little generator and charge it between motos
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jjavaman 12/14/2021 9:44am
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HonDawg17 wrote:
It's okay you have a little man complex and need to lash out. But BRO, the bike has so much more negative than positive compared to...
It's okay you have a little man complex and need to lash out. But BRO, the bike has so much more negative than positive compared to what we currently have. If its not actually better in at least 75% of the checklist, its irrellevant.
I think we know who the little man is …
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GrapeApe 12/14/2021 9:48am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
SeaClassExpert wrote:
Welcome to capitalism.

They can either adapt or not. Their choice.
HonDawg17 wrote:
i don't think you spelled communism correctly...
You seem pretty smart, can you please explain to us how the market dynamics described by Johnny in any way mimic or draw from communism?
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seth505 12/14/2021 9:48am
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Finally, a bike with 80 HP. Whisky throttle this off a berm and you'll be off to the moooon Grinning
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Xeno 12/14/2021 9:57am
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Can't wait to try this bike!
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dnf736 12/14/2021 9:58am
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twotwosix wrote:
@Michael Lindsay,

Can we get a Josh Hill interview about this?

@pulpmx

Can you have Hill or Seb on?
Think I can safely guarantee Hill will never be on Pulp.
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spimx 12/14/2021 10:01am
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Pop Shmoke wrote:
This thing is only 20hp less than a 600cc sportbike lol.
MiguelT. wrote:
doest even come close..., 600cc 4 cylinder is 130 to 150 hp..
No it's not my, 675 3 cylinder makes @ 120

Cbr 600 is like 100hp
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Silas444 12/14/2021 10:06am
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JK BRO wrote:
I bet you believed we were going to have flying cars too. Did your parents also tell you that you can do anything as long as...
I bet you believed we were going to have flying cars too.

Did your parents also tell you that you can do anything as long as you put your mind to it?
That's funny. Actually no, neither my parents, my siblings, my teachers, nor my friends, thought I had a snowball's chance in hell in accomplishing the things in life I now have. And if I'm honest, I have to admit they were right NOT to believe in the direction I chose. Love has a way of making people overvalue practicality, and my entire life has been a series of a reckless leaps and longshooter's longshots. Electric bikes, however, are not as I once was. They are a CHIP shot. They are a lay-up. They are a virtual inevitability. The only question is, how much time will pass before this conversation is the exclusive domain of bitter old men? I say that as a 60 year old man myself, a very old man by this sport's standards, but a man who has ZERO fear of change because of how I've lived my life. Bitter, I most certainly am not, as I have no reason to be. I am the luckiest man I've ever met.

FYI: I already own a KTM Freeride and I just bought the upgraded battery for it, so I'll now have two batteries that can be changed out in a couple minutes. Further, I just sent the suspension out to make it closer to moto-capability. I also own my own private track. Thus, I have some real-world experience regarding the breadth of these matters. I will be buying this glorious new bike and then I'll be letting my good friends ride the Freeride should they desire to. Sounds kinda fun, does it not? I suppose your answer depends on how much you cling to the past.

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davis224 12/14/2021 10:19am
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BobPA wrote:
To be fair, coal miners make the world go round, ever see how much of the world's energy is fired by coal? People with "imagination" seem...
To be fair, coal miners make the world go round, ever see how much of the world's energy is fired by coal?

People with "imagination" seem to harm my wallet more than they do good for the environment. Are 200 generators running at the track going to be better for the environment than the bikes running? Sure they will use less fuel, but it still takes a bunch of energy to produce said generators.....and a bunch of fuel to ship them all around the world.
Bruce372 wrote:
I bet you guys have some great fisherman's tales. I don't believe the majority off riders put in more than an hour on a local track...
I bet you guys have some great fisherman's tales. I don't believe the majority off riders put in more than an hour on a local track day.

District races, 15 minutes practise and two 5 lap motos ain't gonna use a full charge.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
What about cold weather? Battery power takes a huge hit when temperatures drop.
I don't think anybody is saying this is an immediate replacement for all gas bikes everywhere in all conditions. But this is a hell of a step and a great option to have if it's everything they say.
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lestat 12/14/2021 10:21am
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bite_the_curb wrote:
didnt watch the full video but the only real downside of e-bikes is charge time. you cant moto it all day like you can w/ a...
didnt watch the full video but the only real downside of e-bikes is charge time. you cant moto it all day like you can w/ a ICE engine bike

still very cool though
True …. but in all honesty … how many guys moto all day now ?
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Zachintosh 12/14/2021 10:46am
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Looks very promising, but I’m really hoping they come out with a longer range dual sport model based on the same platform! Would be easy to get CARB/DOT certification since it’s a ZEV.
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