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LungButter 12/10/2021 10:04am
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yz133rider wrote:
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider. I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last...
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider.

I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last week. He went left to right and right to left chopping off my line before jumps and down steep hills at budds - on a practice day.

Age is not the only factor with riding IQ.

I have to 100% disagree that being 25 makes you a Vet rider. If anything, you shouldn't be able to ride any Vet classes until you are 35.
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yz133rider 12/10/2021 10:12am
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yz133rider wrote:
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider. I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last...
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider.

I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last week. He went left to right and right to left chopping off my line before jumps and down steep hills at budds - on a practice day.

Age is not the only factor with riding IQ.

LungButter wrote:
I have to 100% disagree that being 25 makes you a Vet rider. If anything, you shouldn't be able to ride any Vet classes until you...
I have to 100% disagree that being 25 makes you a Vet rider. If anything, you shouldn't be able to ride any Vet classes until you are 35.
So at 34 you want to line up with 13 year olds

But at 50 you wouldn’t line up with a 25-34 year old?

Doesn’t make any sense to me at all.
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LungButter 12/10/2021 10:22am
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yz133rider wrote:
So at 34 you want to line up with 13 year olds But at 50 you wouldn’t line up with a 25-34 year old? Doesn’t make...
So at 34 you want to line up with 13 year olds

But at 50 you wouldn’t line up with a 25-34 year old?

Doesn’t make any sense to me at all.
Well, 13 year olds are typically still on 85s or super minis so that doesn't really make sense.

At 25 I was still competing for Overalls at local off road races and running mid pack in the A class at local moto....at 35 my life has changed drastically and I'd rather race dudes my own age.

You can't want less classes but also want Vet classes to start at a younger age, that doesn't even make sense.
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yz133rider 12/10/2021 10:31am
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LungButter wrote:
Well, 13 year olds are typically still on 85s or super minis so that doesn't really make sense. At 25 I was still competing for Overalls...
Well, 13 year olds are typically still on 85s or super minis so that doesn't really make sense.

At 25 I was still competing for Overalls at local off road races and running mid pack in the A class at local moto....at 35 my life has changed drastically and I'd rather race dudes my own age.

You can't want less classes but also want Vet classes to start at a younger age, that doesn't even make sense.
And this is how it will never get pared down.

Gotta race with my own age as opposed to the same speed

If a 34 year old is the same speed as a 55 they belong together

I agree there’s a cut off tho as 16-22 ish can be pretty damn immature and wild.

But by 25? 30? You’re pretty damn mature all things considered.

Anyway whatever doesn’t matter peace out.
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Axell Hodges should be doing every SX Halftime Show. Faces of jumps should never be watered. Removing the hip-gyrating 30-second board girls was a crime against...
Axell Hodges should be doing every SX Halftime Show. Faces of jumps should never be watered. Removing the hip-gyrating 30-second board girls was a crime against humanity. I’d like to see a CRF TooFiddy WORKS edition. Loud “new country” music blaring at my local motocross races needs to be ceased. New class for racers where their entire gear/kit/ package, cost under $200. The Racer X party in Morgantown should be revived. Lets get the two-strokes involved. Don’t stagger start Vet classes with A Classes. We can only do four (4) laps, not seven (7).




This is supposed to be a thread about controversial opinions. There is nothing controversial about what you have to say in your post. Dead nuts on!
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soulberg3 12/10/2021 11:08am
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SX needs head to head races that pay out points to the championship (think Amsoil Arenacross)
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Pop Shmoke 12/10/2021 11:45am
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I love 4 strokes but the Ama is criminally negligent in screwing privateers and manufacturers over by not allowing 250 2 strokes in the 250 class. To make a 50hp 250 2 stroke is a couple thousand dollars, to make a 50hp 250f is a couple 10s of thousands of dollars. They both now have similar weight, hp, torque, let em race... They do it at some amateur races and overseas, the fact they refuse to budge is an indictment on their competence.

Theyre making it so much harder and more expensive to compete without factory level support in the 250 class and its negatively impacting the sport. Theyre making it so ppl with less money have absolutely no shot to make it anywhere in this sport. We should want everybody to have a shot to compete at whatever level and their lack of changing on this rule has kept who knows how many riders from entering and then succeeding in this sport.
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yz133rider wrote:
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider. I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last...
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider.

I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last week. He went left to right and right to left chopping off my line before jumps and down steep hills at budds - on a practice day.

Age is not the only factor with riding IQ.

LungButter wrote:
I have to 100% disagree that being 25 makes you a Vet rider. If anything, you shouldn't be able to ride any Vet classes until you...
I have to 100% disagree that being 25 makes you a Vet rider. If anything, you shouldn't be able to ride any Vet classes until you are 35.
yz133rider wrote:
So at 34 you want to line up with 13 year olds But at 50 you wouldn’t line up with a 25-34 year old? Doesn’t make...
So at 34 you want to line up with 13 year olds

But at 50 you wouldn’t line up with a 25-34 year old?

Doesn’t make any sense to me at all.
We didnt have Vet classes here i n the UK at all , then a few clubs started running 40+ classes back in the late 80's , which was decent, back then, there was a big gap where guys left the sport at 30 cos they didnt want to ride with guys who didnt have the same on the line on a monday morning.

Now Vet here starts at 35, which is about right, i am racing guys 20 years younger, than me, which isnt great , but i can live with.



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tvo314 12/10/2021 4:14pm
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tvo314 wrote:
I think most goon riding isn't that funny. Pretty played out.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
What if that's just the way you ride ?
That will never get old.
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tvo314 wrote:
I think most goon riding isn't that funny. Pretty played out.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
What if that's just the way you ride ?
Preach!
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Sheriff245 12/11/2021 11:24am
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“Ready to race” is a marketing slogan, not a statement.
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Bruce372 12/11/2021 12:29pm
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Sheriff245 wrote:
“Ready to race” is a marketing slogan, not a statement.
I think a retired pro running a national on a stock bike is a pretty good marketing slogan and statement!

https://youtu.be/MzhLr2kMoiw
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catatonic 12/11/2021 12:37pm
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All LCQ’s should be run on equally prepped 125’s.
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tmphotoart 12/12/2021 2:42am
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Racers should use the Race Number they earned from the previous year's points.
No More Career Number crap!

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Markee 12/12/2021 5:59am
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The resell of a 4 stroke is pathetic. The manufacturers got our asses.
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Sandusky26 12/12/2021 6:11am
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My Suzuki cost more than my F150
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theycallmeebryan 12/12/2021 7:52am
12/12/2021 7:52am
Electric dirtbikes (Altas) are rad, and electric dirtbikes are the future of this sport.
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TheGetFresh 12/12/2021 8:12am
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tmphotoart wrote:
Racers should use the Race Number they earned from the previous year's points. No More Career Number crap! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/12/12/522456/s1200_1977_ama_rider_Number.jpg[/img]
Racers should use the Race Number they earned from the previous year's points.
No More Career Number crap!

They should have their names taken off the back of the jerseys, too. Put another sponsor there. In fact, riders names shouldn’t be allowed in the broadcast and they should be forced to wear Covid masks and sunglasses at all time so we can’t see their faces. Let’s erase all personal branding opportunities so these gimps can spend less making money for themselves and more time shilling for companies.
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ATKpilot99 12/12/2021 8:26am
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tmphotoart wrote:
Racers should use the Race Number they earned from the previous year's points. No More Career Number crap! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/12/12/522456/s1200_1977_ama_rider_Number.jpg[/img]
Racers should use the Race Number they earned from the previous year's points.
No More Career Number crap!

TheGetFresh wrote:
They should have their names taken off the back of the jerseys, too. Put another sponsor there. In fact, riders names shouldn’t be allowed in the...
They should have their names taken off the back of the jerseys, too. Put another sponsor there. In fact, riders names shouldn’t be allowed in the broadcast and they should be forced to wear Covid masks and sunglasses at all time so we can’t see their faces. Let’s erase all personal branding opportunities so these gimps can spend less making money for themselves and more time shilling for companies.
Don't be so melodramatic.
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bite_the_curb 12/12/2021 8:37am
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there needs to be a stock bike class and a mod class like in road racing....or amateur racing
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Motoxdoc 12/12/2021 8:38am
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PFitzG38 wrote:
EEye do noh........Joel Robert has more manly in his little toe than most of the so called Elite riders of today......just sayn'
Motoxdoc wrote:
You sound like an old man…you must be from Joel’s era…you and Bob Hannah can sit around and talk about how manly men were back when…it...
You sound like an old man…you must be from Joel’s era…you and Bob Hannah can sit around and talk about how manly men were back when…it was you guys…and a broken pinky finger wouldn’t stop you!Huh
brocster wrote:
“More manly” is a silly argument. WTF does that even mean??? and how would you quantify it given times have changed???
^^^this^^^
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Slowride858 wrote:
There should be no C class at Lorettas. You don't need a novice national champ.
Shouldn't give out a national championship in a B or C class.

Should get a sandbagger award.
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TeamGreen 12/12/2021 10:01am
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Sheriff245 wrote:
“Ready to race” is a marketing slogan, not a statement.
Bruce372 wrote:
I think a retired pro running a national on a stock bike is a pretty good marketing slogan and statement!

https://youtu.be/MzhLr2kMoiw
Pretty sure Mossiman proved that it's a fact.
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TheGetFresh 12/12/2021 11:05am
12/12/2021 11:05am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Don't be so melodramatic.
Don’t be so flippant about vital mx comments. This is clearly a very serious matter.
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TeamGreen 12/12/2021 11:20am
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yz133rider wrote:
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider. I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last...
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider.

I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last week. He went left to right and right to left chopping off my line before jumps and down steep hills at budds - on a practice day.

Age is not the only factor with riding IQ.

LungButter wrote:
I have to 100% disagree that being 25 makes you a Vet rider. If anything, you shouldn't be able to ride any Vet classes until you...
I have to 100% disagree that being 25 makes you a Vet rider. If anything, you shouldn't be able to ride any Vet classes until you are 35.
yz133rider wrote:
So at 34 you want to line up with 13 year olds But at 50 you wouldn’t line up with a 25-34 year old? Doesn’t make...
So at 34 you want to line up with 13 year olds

But at 50 you wouldn’t line up with a 25-34 year old?

Doesn’t make any sense to me at all.
Ya know, the nice thing about having a legit "old guy" class is NOT having to line up with so many "crazies". Even when I race against the "Vets" (Over 30) and "Sr. Vets" (Over 40)...I still end up, every so often, racing against some crazies that run into ya or fly off the track...or worse...

I get a whole helluva lot LESS of that in Over 50.

Also, I was talkin' to Don Maeda at Day in the Dirt, you know, the guy with all those races he's got goin' on out here...? He's not havin' ANY problem with all the various classes. In-fact, he's had some epic turn-out and seems to be lovin' life. Which is nice. Oh, by the way, he races 0ver 50 "Intermediate"...when he's more likely an Expert. So, there's always that!

I'm jus' sayin'...Laughing

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MX Sports should pay the tracks to hold a National and they tracks would then have money to increase the pro purse, Saturday qualifiers and lower the riders cost for entries and increase the rider turnout. Lower the spectator price with free pits and stop the non compete rules for vendors.
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yz133rider 12/12/2021 1:10pm
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Mr. Info wrote:
MX Sports should pay the tracks to hold a National and they tracks would then have money to increase the pro purse, Saturday qualifiers and lower...
MX Sports should pay the tracks to hold a National and they tracks would then have money to increase the pro purse, Saturday qualifiers and lower the riders cost for entries and increase the rider turnout. Lower the spectator price with free pits and stop the non compete rules for vendors.
Or they can just not go to Glen Helen because the 11 other tracks on the schedule seem to look forward to hosting the national every season.
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ATKpilot99 12/12/2021 2:06pm
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Don't be so melodramatic.
TheGetFresh wrote:
Don’t be so flippant about vital mx comments. This is clearly a very serious matter.
Laughing
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Mr. Info 12/12/2021 2:12pm
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I’m glad ignorant people like me can post on a site full of scholars.
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Training facilities killed amateur racing
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