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Johnny Ringo 12/9/2021 10:49am
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aeffertz wrote:
Hydro clutch is a gimmick aimed to please vet riders? Lol okay.
No, we’re talking about the quickshift thing
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LungButter 12/9/2021 11:06am
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Brent wrote:
If you are racing, then it could possibly help on the starts.

I guess we will see if the complexity is worth the benefit.
I suppose so. Most people could see more improvement on starts by twisting the throttle further for longer than they'll ever see from this though.

And yes.....get off my lawn! Tongue
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colintrax 12/9/2021 11:23am
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Whole lotta bitching about changes and advancements on a RACE bike. If you don't want the latest/greatest go buy a Kawi KLX140 and bumble around the woods.
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fourfourone 12/9/2021 11:30am
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Don't shoot me.

Can someone explain this quick shift thing? I've ridden plenty of on road and off road bikes but never heard of quick shift. I've been on a bike with an air shifter set up but that's about it.
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colintrax 12/9/2021 11:51am
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fourfourone wrote:
Don't shoot me. Can someone explain this quick shift thing? I've ridden plenty of on road and off road bikes but never heard of quick shift...
Don't shoot me.

Can someone explain this quick shift thing? I've ridden plenty of on road and off road bikes but never heard of quick shift. I've been on a bike with an air shifter set up but that's about it.
It's just a sensor(s) to cut the ignition if you're trying to change gears under throttle without pulling in the clutch. On these bikes it'll be for upshifts only, but I'd bet they're working on or will work on making them work for downshifting as well. Although that doesn't have as much use for moto bikes.
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fourfourone 12/9/2021 11:56am
12/9/2021 11:56am Edited Date/Time 12/9/2021 11:57am
ahh I can see the posts a year from now.....

My 2023 KTM only has 10 hours on it, and it started randomly cutting out while riding....
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GrapeApe 12/9/2021 11:57am
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fourfourone wrote:
Don't shoot me. Can someone explain this quick shift thing? I've ridden plenty of on road and off road bikes but never heard of quick shift...
Don't shoot me.

Can someone explain this quick shift thing? I've ridden plenty of on road and off road bikes but never heard of quick shift. I've been on a bike with an air shifter set up but that's about it.
You can upshift without the clutch and without letting off the throttle. A sensor picks up the pressure on the shifter and retards the ignition to allow the shift.

I think it would be great on starts, but otherwise it seems a little out of place on a motocross bike. It will be interesting to try.
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dontdrinkandpost 12/9/2021 12:24pm
12/9/2021 12:24pm
I have seen heaps of quickshifters on flat track bikes, they are very good.
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#434 12/9/2021 12:51pm
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So much bitching and moaning.. we‘d be riding bikes from the 70s if you guys were in charge.
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Jdawggg 12/9/2021 1:05pm
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Sign of the times.. I remember hearing a discussion on one of the pod cast (maybe Langston) They were talking about new school style and how the kids never touch the clutch
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Deadric 12/9/2021 1:08pm
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mysterion1171 wrote:
Not really needed on MX bikes IMO. We’re almost never shifting mid turn and I don’t think I’ve let off the throttle to shift since I...
Not really needed on MX bikes IMO. We’re almost never shifting mid turn and I don’t think I’ve let off the throttle to shift since I first learned on 65s, just flick the clutch
gt80rider wrote:
its more bullshit KTM is pushing down our throats... hydro clutches add more complexity and expense,, without a single solitary upside.. and now they are pushing...
its more bullshit KTM is pushing down our throats... hydro clutches add more complexity and expense,, without a single solitary upside.. and now they are pushing this quick shifter BS???

Btw... riding with one of those.. is cock-eyed weird... every time you touch the shifter, it does weird things to the rpm that you are not expecting... KTM is losing it.... and trying to screw up the industry while doing so....
What are you talking about? The clutch on my KTM is miles better than any cable clutch I had on Honda or Kawi.
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Forty 12/9/2021 1:22pm
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#434 wrote:
So much bitching and moaning.. we‘d be riding bikes from the 70s if you guys were in charge.
In most cases that’s me. I’m stuck in a time and I’ll be the first to admit it however for moto I think this is a answer to a question not asked. Time will tell.
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three9zero 12/9/2021 1:32pm
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I have quick shift on my KTM 890 Duke R, it is AMAZING. When pulling out to pass vehicles I pull my buddies by at least half a bike length every shift because of it.
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scott_nz 12/9/2021 2:38pm
12/9/2021 2:38pm
scott_nz wrote:
has any team that you know of been running them? would think they would be an advantage on the starts at least, particularly on the 250's
ML512 wrote:
Honestly, when they announced that in the presentation I was a bit surprised because I didn’t know of anyone implementing it on their team bikes. I’m...
Honestly, when they announced that in the presentation I was a bit surprised because I didn’t know of anyone implementing it on their team bikes. I’m sure most of the top teams have fiddled with it at one point but I wasn’t aware of any currently in use, especially on the 250 side. Thinking situationally, outside of the start straight, I can’t see many places it would be useful in SX…considering how much shifting is done in the air. Or not under load in a corner before the whoops.
thanks, seemed weird that we have not seen photos of factory bikes with them, and now they come out on a std bike,

i have used them on road bikes and they are awesome, was going to set one up on my motard bike but never got around to it,
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38special 12/9/2021 2:43pm
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I'm a self-admitted luddite and only have YZ250 two strokes.

But these new KTM's are called progress, and I'm impressed. I can't believe guys are bashing them already.
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Brent 12/9/2021 3:32pm
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38special wrote:
I'm a self-admitted luddite and only have YZ250 two strokes. But these new KTM's are called [i]progress[/i], and I'm impressed. I can't believe guys are bashing...
I'm a self-admitted luddite and only have YZ250 two strokes.

But these new KTM's are called progress, and I'm impressed. I can't believe guys are bashing them already.
Anything new in this sport, most people are skeptical, and with good reason.

There have been a lot of stupid ideas to come out of dirt bike and aftermarket manufacturers over the years (Twin exhausts for better bike balance, for example)

I remember people thinking that EFI and electric start was a stupid idea for MX bikes and prone to failure a few years ago...

I think anything radically new just has to prove itself over a few model years to be widely accepted.
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theToothPerry 12/9/2021 3:57pm
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I remember when KTM introduced E start on the mx line and everyone said "i can kick my bike" "the battery weighs too much" and now we say the RMZ is the worst bike on the lineup for its lack of E start. Keep doing your thing KTM group.
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Fourth_Floor 12/9/2021 4:10pm
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Bring on the new tech, I think it's awesome.
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Broughton859 12/9/2021 4:55pm
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I've used them road racing and on my supermoto bike and they are super awesome on the asphalt. However, I'm not sure how they would fare in MX. Definitely can on starts going 2nd to 3rd would be quicker if that gives you a wheel on your competition it would 100% worth it. Now does the average joe need it no... but it is pretty cool and it's a must have in the dope / fun factor on asphalt
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Austin_Rankin 12/9/2021 5:55pm
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aeffertz wrote:
Hydro clutch is a gimmick aimed to please vet riders? Lol okay.
Haha i know what dumbass post,

Even bogle in his latest swap inter view was like “oh, man and that cable clutch, i love that thing im always adjusting it and messing with it” lmao

Who the f wants to do that when you dont even have to worry about it on the ktms lmao.
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OnTheCrossbar 12/9/2021 6:47pm
12/9/2021 6:47pm
I have a 690 that I ride primarily off road, it has the QS. I don't like it and never use it. The worst part is that if you bump the shifter you can activate the switch and cause a momentary cut out, I've almost went over the bars a few times when way over the front. Imagine they must have it sorted for the 450.
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Bruce372 12/10/2021 2:05am
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Dont get your panties up yer crack ladies, quick shifting can be turned off according to Decoster on mxa youtube
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Richy 12/10/2021 5:04am
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Broseph wrote:
Quickshifter on the KTM 790 sure sounds neat banging through the gears. It is a bit fickle though: If you ride with your foot touching the...
Quickshifter on the KTM 790 sure sounds neat banging through the gears. It is a bit fickle though: If you ride with your foot touching the shift lever, it will cut out randomly and leave you wondering what’s going on. Hopefully the MX version is less affected by small amounts of force on the shifter.
gt80rider wrote:
on pavement... not good... but not incredibly terrible... on the trail, you end up getting random RPM through the engine if you dare touch the shift...
on pavement... not good... but not incredibly terrible... on the trail, you end up getting random RPM through the engine if you dare touch the shift lever... good times!

but seriously.. quickshift can be done right.. KTM does it all wrong...
Do you know how a quickshifter works GT80? Random RPM? It's a few millisecond ignition cut not a magic clutch-in substitute button.

Also, jeeeez, you are constantly fully emotional about hydraulic clutches huh?

Relax man, it's all good.
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bh84 12/10/2021 6:39am
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I would have loved a QS system when I was racing. On the quad side being down on power is much more noticeable. Running a stock KTM motor against 5-hour rebuild Baldwin Hondas (50hpvs62-65) always made getting starts and making passes more difficult. All you could do was try to outshift them. Having the QS system just makes it that much easier.

The other thing is, this tech has been around for years and years. Its not something that I think is going to be a problem
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Gravel 12/10/2021 6:41am
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fourfourone wrote:
ahh I can see the posts a year from now..... My 2023 KTM only has 10 hours on it, and it started randomly cutting out while...
ahh I can see the posts a year from now.....

My 2023 KTM only has 10 hours on it, and it started randomly cutting out while riding....
The cutting out started when I got new boots... hmmm?



KTM has probably been using this for years.. I can’t believe for a second that they would drop new tech on production bikes for customers to test
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mxtech1 12/10/2021 8:10am
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KTM Group - pushing technology and adding new features every year
**Vital: Fucking KTM....pushing gimmicks we don't need or want, all it does is increase complexity and the cost of bikes**

Suzuki - Nearly non-existent R&D and same bike for years on end:
**Vital - Fucking Suzuki....spend money on R&D and update the bike with new technology**
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loftyair 12/10/2021 9:50am
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I just ride with clutch half-engaged all the time. Shift the shit, out of it!
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FWYT 12/10/2021 10:51am
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Never knew about the seamless transmissions used in Moto GP. Fascinating!!
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captmoto 12/10/2021 11:10am
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mxtech1 wrote:
KTM Group - pushing technology and adding new features every year **Vital: Fucking KTM....pushing gimmicks we don't need or want, all it does is increase complexity...
KTM Group - pushing technology and adding new features every year
**Vital: Fucking KTM....pushing gimmicks we don't need or want, all it does is increase complexity and the cost of bikes**

Suzuki - Nearly non-existent R&D and same bike for years on end:
**Vital - Fucking Suzuki....spend money on R&D and update the bike with new technology**
It seems like the only thing Vitards hate more than the way things are is change.
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LungButter 12/10/2021 11:23am
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If you think this Quickshifter is somehow going to fix your shitty starts.....you are the exact demographic KTM made this bike for.
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