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sumdood 8/29/2021 9:11am
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RMT wrote:
His results are getting better because guys that were beating him earlier in the year are hurt and not racing. But go ahead and talk about...
His results are getting better because guys that were beating him earlier in the year are hurt and not racing. But go ahead and talk about the frame.
Ok.
He seemed faster and more comfortable this weekend with the different frame. Laughing
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Suicidal_Tendencies 8/29/2021 9:12am
8/29/2021 9:12am
RMT wrote:
His results are getting better because guys that were beating him earlier in the year are hurt and not racing. But go ahead and talk about...
His results are getting better because guys that were beating him earlier in the year are hurt and not racing. But go ahead and talk about the frame.
Or, he's just improving.
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Zycki11 8/29/2021 9:19am
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RMT wrote:
His results are getting better because guys that were beating him earlier in the year are hurt and not racing. But go ahead and talk about...
His results are getting better because guys that were beating him earlier in the year are hurt and not racing. But go ahead and talk about the frame.
Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:
Or, he's just improving.
He did straight up beat Sexton. Not to mention kept the leaders in sight compared to the beginning of the year. Clearly they did make changes that made him much better.
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Zycki11 8/29/2021 9:23am
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rhargrave431 wrote:
You guys are obviously all forgetting that they can also change the bore and stroke at KTM. A frame change is rookie shit.
Zycki11 wrote:
I’m gonna go with your being sarcastic? Frame changes to get the geometry of the motorcycle is much more difficult than bore and stroke
inthebadboycorner wrote:
I thought most geometry could be changed with triple clamps and swingarm length
Of course, steering head angle, linkage adjustments, etc. I find his comments very interesting and the adjustments that can be made. His bike looked 10x better. It was tracking and soaking up the bumps. One thing I noticed as well as that Webb doesn’t lean much on his turns. You look at Ferrandis, Tomac, Roczen and you get a ton of lean angle. Hell, if you pay attention to Kenny he often loses his outside foot off the peg from leaning hard and placing a ton of weight on that peg.

All of it is awesome to watch and the little intricacies are fun to take note of.
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tek14 8/29/2021 9:32am
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Start of season he was lap down to leader and bike bouncing all over.. now he was really close if you compare to early races. Its not place he finished but distance to winner we are talking about.
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wreckitrandy 8/29/2021 10:46am
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Zycki11 wrote:
I’m gonna go with your being sarcastic? Frame changes to get the geometry of the motorcycle is much more difficult than bore and stroke
inthebadboycorner wrote:
I thought most geometry could be changed with triple clamps and swingarm length
Zycki11 wrote:
Of course, steering head angle, linkage adjustments, etc. I find his comments very interesting and the adjustments that can be made. His bike looked 10x better...
Of course, steering head angle, linkage adjustments, etc. I find his comments very interesting and the adjustments that can be made. His bike looked 10x better. It was tracking and soaking up the bumps. One thing I noticed as well as that Webb doesn’t lean much on his turns. You look at Ferrandis, Tomac, Roczen and you get a ton of lean angle. Hell, if you pay attention to Kenny he often loses his outside foot off the peg from leaning hard and placing a ton of weight on that peg.

All of it is awesome to watch and the little intricacies are fun to take note of.
He has looked tentative in the turns this whole series except for early in the second moto. He absolutely RAILED that one left turn a couple times.
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Anton_514 8/29/2021 10:47am
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Asked DeCoster a few minutes after he said that and Roger explained it happened from Unadilla to Budds Creek.



Looking at photos, the bar in the front is gone. Marvin, Joey, and Justin have kept the brace on their bikes all year.

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B Lenny 8/29/2021 11:03am
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There were a number of rider's out this round too...Dry
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Moto76er 8/29/2021 11:09am
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Dungey helped with input. Webb rode much better, beat Roczen and Sexton handily which hasn’t been the case all year. Great ride for Webb.
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UGOTBIT 8/29/2021 11:26am
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I think that brace across the front of the frame was talked about before on here on BB4's bike.
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Chris_Buehler 8/29/2021 11:30am
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tek14 wrote:
Start of season he was lap down to leader and bike bouncing all over.. now he was really close if you compare to early races. Its...
Start of season he was lap down to leader and bike bouncing all over.. now he was really close if you compare to early races. Its not place he finished but distance to winner we are talking about.
GTFO with that critical thinking
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kevin204 8/29/2021 12:02pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
I believe it. Remember how Poto’s season turned around in 2011 when he got on the 2012 Kawi’s more compliant frame? He was a different rider.
Langston on the Yamaha in '07 as well. As soon as he got the '08 bike late in the season, he took a huge step forward.

But keyboard warriors think the bike doesn't matter at this level. Unsure
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davistld01 8/29/2021 12:25pm
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number six wrote:

" we coulda been up here all year " was an interesting comment from Webb.
UGOTBIT wrote:
He said he "wished obviously they could have been here all season"
Number six must work for CNN.
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kpiper 8/29/2021 12:28pm
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Moto76er wrote:
Dungey helped with input. Webb rode much better, beat Roczen and Sexton handily which hasn’t been the case all year. Great ride for Webb.
90-degree heat is why Webb beat Kenny.
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tek14 wrote:
Start of season he was lap down to leader and bike bouncing all over.. now he was really close if you compare to early races. Its...
Start of season he was lap down to leader and bike bouncing all over.. now he was really close if you compare to early races. Its not place he finished but distance to winner we are talking about.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
GTFO with that critical thinking
Yep, when you go from 7-10 and 45 sec to a minute behind the winner to stalking DF for second, within 10 sec of the winner, it’s definitely because guys are out/injured and it’s hot in August...Whistling Whistling Whistling
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wildbill 8/29/2021 1:26pm
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Anton_514 wrote:
Asked DeCoster a few minutes after he said that and Roger explained it happened from Unadilla to Budds Creek. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/29/508024/s1200_Screen_Shot_2021_08_29_at_12.12.28_PM.jpg[/img] Looking at photos, the bar in...
Asked DeCoster a few minutes after he said that and Roger explained it happened from Unadilla to Budds Creek.



Looking at photos, the bar in the front is gone. Marvin, Joey, and Justin have kept the brace on their bikes all year.

So they CAN remove material, or, as previously eluded to, an older frame was ran w/o the brace?
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yota 8/29/2021 1:38pm
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I believe the brace was an earlier add that they removed?
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soggy 8/29/2021 5:50pm
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wildbill wrote:
So they CAN remove material, or, as previously eluded to, an older frame was ran w/o the brace?
No the brace isn’t production. They added it and since they added it they can remove it
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Chris_Buehler 8/29/2021 6:06pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
I believe it. Remember how Poto’s season turned around in 2011 when he got on the 2012 Kawi’s more compliant frame? He was a different rider.
kevin204 wrote:
Langston on the Yamaha in '07 as well. As soon as he got the '08 bike late in the season, he took a huge step forward...
Langston on the Yamaha in '07 as well. As soon as he got the '08 bike late in the season, he took a huge step forward.

But keyboard warriors think the bike doesn't matter at this level. Unsure
I remember that well that Langston 100% said the new bike made all the difference
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gt80rider 8/30/2021 9:37am
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Webb put in some effort last weekend, nice to see for a change..... didn't hurt several top guys are out right now... Webb could be the fmotp outdoors.... but he chooses not to go for it.... but he doesn't have enough raw speed n sx to be sx only... dude is a pro mx rider, he signed up for the job, sadly he rarely gives it his all outdoors
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Thisusernameisavailable 8/30/2021 2:33pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
I believe it. Remember how Poto’s season turned around in 2011 when he got on the 2012 Kawi’s more compliant frame? He was a different rider.
kevin204 wrote:
Langston on the Yamaha in '07 as well. As soon as he got the '08 bike late in the season, he took a huge step forward...
Langston on the Yamaha in '07 as well. As soon as he got the '08 bike late in the season, he took a huge step forward.

But keyboard warriors think the bike doesn't matter at this level. Unsure
Chris_Buehler wrote:
I remember that well that Langston 100% said the new bike made all the difference
A Yamaha employee speaking positively about a new Yamaha product… who’d a thunk it..?
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Jardo 8/31/2021 7:40am
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So, if the steel frame teams are making significant changes to the frame, does this mean the aluminum frame teams are as well?
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yota 8/31/2021 9:09am
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where did you see or hear about significant changes to the frame? are you one of the "in" guys? why is this even a thing?
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SilverSpurs 8/31/2021 12:14pm
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Frame, lame.

All that happened was he had a slightly better day in a depleted field and didn't do his usual race backwards.

He will need to string the next two together and rail some more outsides to be convincing.

Or, he's a sawdust and woodchip specialist.
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Sandusky26 8/31/2021 1:39pm
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I wanna be like Cooper Webb when I grow up.
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stremme12 8/31/2021 4:12pm
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SilverSpurs wrote:
Frame, lame. All that happened was he had a slightly better day in a depleted field and didn't do his usual race backwards. He will need...
Frame, lame.

All that happened was he had a slightly better day in a depleted field and didn't do his usual race backwards.

He will need to string the next two together and rail some more outsides to be convincing.

Or, he's a sawdust and woodchip specialist.
The best way to evaluate the data of his results is to view how many seconds he was off the lead. Cooper can't control who's at the race or who isn't so that's a ridiculous way to determine improvements. However he can always see if he was closer to the leaders at the end of the race.
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Yeti831 8/31/2021 4:55pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
I believe it. Remember how Poto’s season turned around in 2011 when he got on the 2012 Kawi’s more compliant frame? He was a different rider.
kevin204 wrote:
Langston on the Yamaha in '07 as well. As soon as he got the '08 bike late in the season, he took a huge step forward...
Langston on the Yamaha in '07 as well. As soon as he got the '08 bike late in the season, he took a huge step forward.

But keyboard warriors think the bike doesn't matter at this level. Unsure
Chris_Buehler wrote:
I remember that well that Langston 100% said the new bike made all the difference
Idc what anyone says, the 07-09 Yamaha chassis was amazing. If it was fuel injected, you would have a hard time convincing me to run something else.

It’s absolutely dumb how stable it was. Didn’t turn as sharp in tight inside dives like other bikes but if you were familiar with what the bike did and when it would do it, it would turn.
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kpiper 8/31/2021 5:06pm
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yota wrote:
where did you see or hear about significant changes to the frame? are you one of the "in" guys? why is this even a thing?
Because Webb says it is. Smile
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kpiper 8/31/2021 5:07pm
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I heard Eli changed his frame after Unadilla as well.
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