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Edited Date/Time 7/19/2021 10:59am
Tomac is taking huge chunks out of Kenny's lead and these dickheads are watching Ferrandis ride around by himself.

How many fuckin times. Seriously.
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I haven’t jumped on these broadcast threads much but it’s painful! They miss every single piece of real drama ie passes, crashes or mechanicals and try to build up crap that no one cares about! Just show us the racing!! Is there no one watching live timing in the studio? I don’t know the first thing about tv but blind Freddy can see when there’s battles happening in the race by the rider gaps. I’ve been watching the gp’s the last couple of seasons and you are literally on the edge of your seat the entire moto with real time commentating, race action and replays. The us production is woeful
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7/11/2021 1:59am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2021 2:00am
Crush wrote:
Tomac is taking huge chunks out of Kenny's lead and these dickheads are watching Ferrandis ride around by himself.

How many fuckin times. Seriously.
While making it sound like the only reason he’s not in front is because he’s trying to save his clutch. Will he make it to the end ? Will the bike hold together ? Let’s watch him ride around by himself and see, how exciting !
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It’s just painfull hearing Weege trying to sound overly excited about every little thing out there.

He can be talking about some uninteresting shit like DF’s smoking bike while we all can see Eli eating up Ken’s lead with a couple of seconds every split time for two laps and then when the camera FINALLY changes Weege is like: WHAIT A MINUTE! ELI HAVE CLOSED IN AND PASSED ROCZEN!

No shit, we all saw it comming while you had to talk non stop about a smoking bike.. He starting to get as annoying as Ralph to me..
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Hate to say it, but was the same in the second 250 moto, watching Jett ride around while it was plain to see on the timing that Hunter was chasing down Cooper……
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I don’t normally complain about the broadcast, especially outdoors, but I agree that it has been horrible this year. Quit trying to pump up particular riders so much and tell pointless stories. Show the battles and talk about the action on track!! They always have an angle on everything to “try and grow the sport”. Just stop. People will like it or they won’t. Give the fans what they want and it will grow.
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I wanted to fucking throw my remote through the tv.

"Oh it's still smoking. What are they gonna write on the board this time, they've already said smoke and no clutch. Oh it's 5 tours... which in French means ..."

Show the guy going warp speed running down the leader for ffs. Eli goes 4 seconds quicker and we're looking for a puff of smoke and a fucking French lesson.

Fuck me. There is a timer showing the gap dropping lap after lap. He must be on Instagram or some shit, it’s not possible to not get better at your job after this long.
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I agree with the critiques on what the cameras focus on but as far as I know Weege and Grant are told to only talk about what the cameras are focused on so they can't start going "off topic" about what us viewers are focusing on. All in all to say yes the camera work and production sucks but I think the commentators get a lot of undeserved heat sometimes for things they can't control.
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The last few minutes of 2nd 450 moto was ridiculous. Just effing ridiculous. Really disappointing. They didn't even catch the checkers in a professional manner. I think we saw a 3 digit Kawi cross, then a small glimpse of Eli. Unbelievably bad production.

BTW - who is Bondo?
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This isn’t a problem with the announcers. They have to announce what’s on screen. They don’t control the production.

The producers and camera crew need to get their head out of their ass.

At the end when Tomac won they didn’t even capture the right rider taking the checkers. The camera guy was focused on a lapper.

What a joke. Amateur hour for what is the pinnacle of our sport. Sad. But it’s been this was for years and years. And it’s far worse during SX. The SX producers suck big time.
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I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading the winners in cycle news.
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The last few minutes of 2nd 450 moto was ridiculous. Just effing ridiculous. Really disappointing. They didn't even catch the checkers in a professional manner. I...
The last few minutes of 2nd 450 moto was ridiculous. Just effing ridiculous. Really disappointing. They didn't even catch the checkers in a professional manner. I think we saw a 3 digit Kawi cross, then a small glimpse of Eli. Unbelievably bad production.

BTW - who is Bondo?
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Talisker wrote:
I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading...
I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading the winners in cycle news.
And here it is ^. Give me a break!
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Talisker wrote:
I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading...
I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading the winners in cycle news.
The 90s?

So in 25 odd years we’ve progressed from tape delay to effectively still missing it live.

Well done.
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How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the replay, not sure what screen they were looking at ? I forget what they were talking about when that happened, since were calling them out and all haha
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7/11/2021 7:35am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2021 7:38am
I’ve chosen to be patient with the broadcast but yesterday was the breaking point for me. It was beyond terrible. As someone who works in production myself, I’d certainly have no job if I performed as poorly as he does.
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Talisker wrote:
I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading...
I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading the winners in cycle news.
Yeah, and I'm glad I don't need to worry about polio and TB. Shut the hell up.
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Talisker wrote:
I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading...
I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading the winners in cycle news.
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A few more words would help clean it up, like (are the only two riders who) to be inserted after 450 class
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sumdood wrote:
How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the...
How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the replay, not sure what screen they were looking at ? I forget what they were talking about when that happened, since were calling them out and all haha
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.
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Certainly Weegee and Langston are being told to talk about what is on the screen as their is no way in hell they would be missing this much of actual racing with their knowledge of the sport!! Just watch MXGP next weekend and it’s nite and day difference as Paul Malian must have much more authority on where the cameras need to be showing as they don’t miss anything period!!
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I didn’t buy the tv package this year because it was so bad last year. Everybody says “support the sport” but if people keep buying it, there is no reason for the tv people to change it.
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sumdood wrote:
How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the...
How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the replay, not sure what screen they were looking at ? I forget what they were talking about when that happened, since were calling them out and all haha
Weege wrote:
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on...
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.
Keep up the great commentating and youtubes Weege, and please don't feel the need to justify yourself to this bunch who are never happy or satisfied.

If you were replaced with JLo commentating naked, half these guys would say her ass is too big and the other half would say it's too small.
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sumdood wrote:
How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the...
How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the replay, not sure what screen they were looking at ? I forget what they were talking about when that happened, since were calling them out and all haha
Weege wrote:
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on...
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.
Gotcha. Thanks for chiming in and clarifying. Tough crowd eh ? Laughing Laughing
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sumdood wrote:
How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the...
How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the replay, not sure what screen they were looking at ? I forget what they were talking about when that happened, since were calling them out and all haha
Weege wrote:
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on...
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.
Thanks for that. Wondered at times about the awkward silent moments. Keep it up, you and GL kill it. Camera work, not so much.
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I give the production team a lot leeway when I watch, I’m sure it’s hectic in real time. But not realizing Tomac just made a massive cut into Roczen’s lead with live timing and not going straight to that action was really bad. Missing Tomac crossing the finish line was the cherry on top.
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Tumic wrote:
It’s just painfull hearing Weege trying to sound overly excited about every little thing out there. He can be talking about some uninteresting shit like DF’s...
It’s just painfull hearing Weege trying to sound overly excited about every little thing out there.

He can be talking about some uninteresting shit like DF’s smoking bike while we all can see Eli eating up Ken’s lead with a couple of seconds every split time for two laps and then when the camera FINALLY changes Weege is like: WHAIT A MINUTE! ELI HAVE CLOSED IN AND PASSED ROCZEN!

No shit, we all saw it comming while you had to talk non stop about a smoking bike.. He starting to get as annoying as Ralph to me..
Agreed. It’s unreal. The part that makes it even worse to me is weege knows the sport, knows the riders, knows the fans, and still he plays dumb and acts clueless to underhand pitch gl obvious questions. And the cringey Dylan danger zone and playing up drama when there is none is definitely getting old.


He could be the best commentator ever, if he’d just be himself, but instead he’s began playing to the lowest common denominator fan like Ralph always did. call it like a true high level Motorsport not a soap opera.
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7/11/2021 9:12am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2021 9:16am
sumdood wrote:
How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the...
How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the replay, not sure what screen they were looking at ? I forget what they were talking about when that happened, since were calling them out and all haha
Weege wrote:
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on...
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.
I appreciate the explanation. Thank you. Certainly that is a situation that just is what it is and we can all deal with 10 seconds of silence in order to watch racing instead of commercials.

Would you mind explaining why the second motos tend to have the same storylines recaps that were told during the first moto? For example, J Mart's broken fingers. While I don't necessarily enjoy it, I understand repeating certain things round to round to catch up potential new viewers and remind others. However, it feels like the production team is expecting new viewers just for the second moto and are therefore catering to them.

Same with the keys to the moto and the like. It seems like an opportunity for GL to give creative/specific input on what is different for moto 2 and for some nerd to type up a few new sentences. Instead, we get the same graphic and then a half ass version of the same conversation. If time is too tight, then just don't have a graphic for moto 2 and let GL freestyle it during the intro. Or don't do it at all.

It really feels like the second motos need to be a full on repeat in Peacock's eyes due to the fact that they break up the program into two shows and the potential exists for someone to stumble upon the second moto without watching the first.

It's almost insulting sometimes to be a knowledgable fan of the sport.
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Talisker wrote:
I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading...
I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading the winners in cycle news.
All true & I’ll add that I’m a Ferrandis fan; but, yesterday’s “Ferrandis Marathon” was beyond silly and there was plenty of good racing going on. They DID show us “some” of Barcia’s antics and “some” of Eli’s Typical Late 2nd Moto Assassin Method…they did show us, by accident, some of Cooper’s best Moto of 2021…only because of other things going on and we got to see him and Kenny by accident…
Grinning

But, damn…did I really need a 40 minute “Rough Day for Star Yamaha” show?
“Will his bike make it?!”
“Did he spill his beer?”
“Does he have any roll-offs left?”
“See the pit board!”
“Is he ‘cruising’?”
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Bruce372 wrote:
Keep up the great commentating and youtubes Weege, and please don't feel the need to justify yourself to this bunch who are never happy or satisfied...
Keep up the great commentating and youtubes Weege, and please don't feel the need to justify yourself to this bunch who are never happy or satisfied.

If you were replaced with JLo commentating naked, half these guys would say her ass is too big and the other half would say it's too small.
Agree. Another member posted that vitards would complain if their ice cream was to cold. Tongue
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7/11/2021 10:20am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2021 10:26am
Weege wrote:
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on...
What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.
Weege, do you understand our frustration (I'm not talking about the pass on Barcia)?

I really enjoy everything you put out, except when you are calling the races. The difference is, when you do all of your other videos, interviews, etc, you show your immense knowledge of the sport - and you sound like a motherfucking boss. You put out solid content for the core fans and we appreciate that because we recognize that you are a true fan like us.

When you call the races, you go into "bring in new fans" mode, probably at the direction of some goon who doesn't have a quarter of your knowledge (about the sport). Please stop it if you can! New fans are not carrying this sport, we are!

This isn't NASCAR. The races don't last as long as a War And Peace reading by Joe Biden from a teleprompter. There isn't time to use the NASCAR broadcast model.

Your job as a commentator is to call the action on the track for FANS who cannot be there. If newbs don't understand something, they can Google it and get linked to the experts at Vital. UFC seems to be doing pretty good and we don't see Joe explaining to new fans that it hurts to get punched in the face...we don't see UFC asking its fighters who their biggest crush is or which prison they'd like to be incarcerated at if they weren't beating people up in the ring.

If you're going to continue to aim these broadcasts at first time viewers and/or women, maybe remove the live timing screen so nobody can see what action we are missing while watching a guy cruise at 80%. Side note: I'd rather watch a struggling privateer barely hanging on with his tongue on the floor while you and Grant use him as a bad example of training. Now that would be dramatic. Anyway, I think home videos of the riders playing with their pets would be HUGE...maybe split screen that shit all race long.

Weege, now that you hate me, just know I have the utmost confidence in you and Grant to pull off the best broadcasts we've seen in years, maybe ever. I wrote all of this hoping the people calling the shots might see it. I often wonder if you feel the same way but you have to grin and bear it.
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