Anyone notice a shift?

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3/25/2021 12:00pm Edited Date/Time 3/25/2021 12:05pm
We do just moto. I like the rush, even if I'm not doing 75 foot doubles. And I'm ok hanging at the trailer with the dogs...
We do just moto. I like the rush, even if I'm not doing 75 foot doubles. And I'm ok hanging at the trailer with the dogs and the boys between sessions/motos. Every track in the PNW is packed - practices and race days. I kinda wish more of them would head to the woods. Wink But those are crowded here too! I see bikes in truck and on trailers heading every which way on the weekends.

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Being in Forest Grove, do you ever ride at Trask Mountain? Grew up riding trails there and remembered it being somewhat close to your area. There and Browns Camp when i was older. Man i miss the PNW...
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I prefer offroad and it is sure boring to watch compared to moto/sx.
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3/25/2021 12:08pm
Motox627! wrote:
Being in Forest Grove, do you ever ride at Trask Mountain? Grew up riding trails there and remembered it being somewhat close to your area. There...
Being in Forest Grove, do you ever ride at Trask Mountain? Grew up riding trails there and remembered it being somewhat close to your area. There and Browns Camp when i was older. Man i miss the PNW...
It's south of me a bit. I've never been - all we do is motocross. Washougal (Saturday opener!), Mountainview, Albany, Woodland in the winter, and 2 private tracks I have access to. I can ride every weekend and several weekdays, some at no cost, if my wife lets me. Smile

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3/25/2021 12:09pm



I ebb and flow depending on what series is happening and what I'm and the boys are up for, Vintage MX, Trials or a ride in the mountains on the 300, The Supermoto is an around town bike.
But I have noticed more people in the mountains riding and tons of SXS. The local track closed so now I have to drive quite a bit farther to the closest track but that seems pretty consistent with quite a riders on practice days but race days are not that big. I'm old and raced in Nor-Cal in the mid seventies to early eighties and we had huge turnouts back then.
Then moved to AZ and turnouts were better than now, So todays turn outs are kind of sad in comparison. I don't see MX getting any bigger,
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Motox627! wrote:
Being in Forest Grove, do you ever ride at Trask Mountain? Grew up riding trails there and remembered it being somewhat close to your area. There...
Being in Forest Grove, do you ever ride at Trask Mountain? Grew up riding trails there and remembered it being somewhat close to your area. There and Browns Camp when i was older. Man i miss the PNW...
It's south of me a bit. I've never been - all we do is motocross. Washougal (Saturday opener!), Mountainview, Albany, Woodland in the winter, and 2...
It's south of me a bit. I've never been - all we do is motocross. Washougal (Saturday opener!), Mountainview, Albany, Woodland in the winter, and 2 private tracks I have access to. I can ride every weekend and several weekdays, some at no cost, if my wife lets me. Smile

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lmao, well then - i don't blame you! Laughing Laughing
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3/25/2021 12:13pm Edited Date/Time 3/25/2021 12:15pm
mx510 wrote:
As far as entries goes he is not wrong. Amateur racing off road/ GPs entry counts are WAY higher everywhere compared to moto. Sit around for...
As far as entries goes he is not wrong. Amateur racing off road/ GPs entry counts are WAY higher everywhere compared to moto. Sit around for 12 hours to ride 3 times and 4-5 laps at a time or show up and race on time for an hour to 2 1/2 hours based on class you are racing? Its an easy decision. Off road is superior until mx promoters chill on the money grab and actually offer just a little bit of value.
This is the primary reason I left MX for off-road. There's more, but this is mostly it.

When it comes to watching, I'd much rather watch MX/SX than GNCC coverage. But participating? Much more bang for the buck offroad.

Really love those events that use part or all of an MX track as a part of the course.

D5 tried a Grandprix series a long time ago- hour long races at mx facilities that also used trails. I think the time is right to bring that back, if we could get away from the do-or-die man-made obstacles.
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I like to ride all the disciplines. Desert, track, street, just like riding the motorcycle. Doesn’t matter what it is. Unless it’s a Harley
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3/25/2021 1:30pm Edited Date/Time 3/25/2021 1:33pm
I'm just noticing a lot of sold out off-road vehicles. Everyone is riding. Used market is going to be insane in a year or 2.

Though, I hope this "resurgence" helps usher in a new generation of riders who stick around. Bigger vet races and less kids racing has not been good for the long term sustainability of the sport.
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True true, but what is making off-road racing popular is the bikes and how they perform now. 5-7 years ago enduro 2 strokes were not close...
True true, but what is making off-road racing popular is the bikes and how they perform now. 5-7 years ago enduro 2 strokes were not close in performance as too what they are now. Also gummy tires have changed the game.

What will change the game for Moto? I hate to say it but I think it will be electric bikes. And people will hate that but the biggest thing that will change it will be that. Very unpopular opinion I know
100% agree. Electric will have a big positive impact.
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100% agree. Electric will have a big positive impact.
On generator sales? Don't mind me, I'm just skeptical. Battery tech still way off imo.
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3/25/2021 1:51pm
LungButter wrote:
Axell Hodges doesn't race motocross, he's popular for the same reason Jarvis is, insane free riding clips. Name another active rider beside Roczen with a million...
Axell Hodges doesn't race motocross, he's popular for the same reason Jarvis is, insane free riding clips.

Name another active rider beside Roczen with a million or more.
So does that mean Jarvis is only popular because of the insane free riding clips? Not because of enduro?

But to answer your question, Tomac

Name another active enduro rider with a million or more?
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3/25/2021 1:57pm
BroFoSho wrote:
So does that mean Jarvis is only popular because of the insane free riding clips? Not because of enduro? But to answer your question, Tomac Name...
So does that mean Jarvis is only popular because of the insane free riding clips? Not because of enduro?

But to answer your question, Tomac

Name another active enduro rider with a million or more?
Well, they are Enduro free riding clips....

You must be talking about a different Tomac though, he's about 100k short.

I was just trying to make the point that an enduro guy, a really old one at that, is one of the most popular dirt bike riders on Social Media which is a good indicator of what people like/where their interest are. Looks to me like he's on the overall podium unless there is someone else with more than a million?
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3/25/2021 2:36pm Edited Date/Time 3/25/2021 2:38pm
BroFoSho wrote:
So does that mean Jarvis is only popular because of the insane free riding clips? Not because of enduro? But to answer your question, Tomac Name...
So does that mean Jarvis is only popular because of the insane free riding clips? Not because of enduro?

But to answer your question, Tomac

Name another active enduro rider with a million or more?
LungButter wrote:
Well, they are Enduro free riding clips.... You must be talking about a different Tomac though, he's about 100k short. I was just trying to make...
Well, they are Enduro free riding clips....

You must be talking about a different Tomac though, he's about 100k short.

I was just trying to make the point that an enduro guy, a really old one at that, is one of the most popular dirt bike riders on Social Media which is a good indicator of what people like/where their interest are. Looks to me like he's on the overall podium unless there is someone else with more than a million?
I mean you're right, not many break 1M, but shit, Haiden Deegan is at almost 900K.

But when you're looking at averages, Jarvis is an anomaly. Billy Bolt doesn't come close, Taddy Blazusiak don't break 200K. Moto guys have way larger average followings than off-road guys.

But I think using social followers is kinda a silly metric, but if it's the one you want to use, Jarvis isn't even close to Roczen, so MX is obviously more popular.
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I love motorcycles. I am a diehard MX/SX fan. I can’t watch more than then five seconds of arenacross, enduro, etc...
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3/25/2021 2:49pm
BroFoSho wrote:
So does that mean Jarvis is only popular because of the insane free riding clips? Not because of enduro? But to answer your question, Tomac Name...
So does that mean Jarvis is only popular because of the insane free riding clips? Not because of enduro?

But to answer your question, Tomac

Name another active enduro rider with a million or more?
LungButter wrote:
Well, they are Enduro free riding clips.... You must be talking about a different Tomac though, he's about 100k short. I was just trying to make...
Well, they are Enduro free riding clips....

You must be talking about a different Tomac though, he's about 100k short.

I was just trying to make the point that an enduro guy, a really old one at that, is one of the most popular dirt bike riders on Social Media which is a good indicator of what people like/where their interest are. Looks to me like he's on the overall podium unless there is someone else with more than a million?
Am I missing something here? You're only naming one guy and when Roczen is mentioned who has more, you say name another...
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Moto is alive and well in SoCal. The last two races we went to were packed, even on the mudfest one from a few weeks ago. My daughter's 85cc Beginner class had 23 riders.
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Motox627! wrote:
Being in Forest Grove, do you ever ride at Trask Mountain? Grew up riding trails there and remembered it being somewhat close to your area. There...
Being in Forest Grove, do you ever ride at Trask Mountain? Grew up riding trails there and remembered it being somewhat close to your area. There and Browns Camp when i was older. Man i miss the PNW...
It's south of me a bit. I've never been - all we do is motocross. Washougal (Saturday opener!), Mountainview, Albany, Woodland in the winter, and 2...
It's south of me a bit. I've never been - all we do is motocross. Washougal (Saturday opener!), Mountainview, Albany, Woodland in the winter, and 2 private tracks I have access to. I can ride every weekend and several weekdays, some at no cost, if my wife lets me. Smile

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Oh yea shougie on Saturday. Been waiting to ride there. Weather's been pretty good lately too. I'll be there in the vet class my friend been dying to ride the beta rx300 there.
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It's south of me a bit. I've never been - all we do is motocross. Washougal (Saturday opener!), Mountainview, Albany, Woodland in the winter, and 2...
It's south of me a bit. I've never been - all we do is motocross. Washougal (Saturday opener!), Mountainview, Albany, Woodland in the winter, and 2 private tracks I have access to. I can ride every weekend and several weekdays, some at no cost, if my wife lets me. Smile

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If my wife lets me - 😂😂😂😂
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FatEric wrote:
Am I missing something here? You're only naming one guy and when Roczen is mentioned who has more, you say name another...
My initial point was to throw some facts at JT Moto since he chimed in with his usual put downs.

I fully understand Moto is more "popular" and those guys have more followers, they should, they get 1000x more media exposure than off road.

I was simply trying to show that Enduro/Off Road guys have some pull too, but I should know by now this is Vital and most the hardcore bros on here are Moto only and anything not Moto is lame and not core and not bro, bro.

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I get bored of riding and watching Enduro.. because throwing your bike around rocks and down steep cliffs doesnt look fun hahaha
Personal opinion though, but for me, I just feel like there isn't any intensity to watching it. its all real stop start.
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FatEric wrote:
Am I missing something here? You're only naming one guy and when Roczen is mentioned who has more, you say name another...
LungButter wrote:
My initial point was to throw some facts at JT Moto since he chimed in with his usual put downs. I fully understand Moto is more...
My initial point was to throw some facts at JT Moto since he chimed in with his usual put downs.

I fully understand Moto is more "popular" and those guys have more followers, they should, they get 1000x more media exposure than off road.

I was simply trying to show that Enduro/Off Road guys have some pull too, but I should know by now this is Vital and most the hardcore bros on here are Moto only and anything not Moto is lame and not core and not bro, bro.

Fair enough!
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Oh yea shougie on Saturday. Been waiting to ride there. Weather's been pretty good lately too. I'll be there in the vet class my friend been...
Oh yea shougie on Saturday. Been waiting to ride there. Weather's been pretty good lately too. I'll be there in the vet class my friend been dying to ride the beta rx300 there.
I’ll be there With my boy. I’m on #663s Husky in 50+ vet and the boy is #500 kx105 in supermini. Weather’s been good and track should be excellent.

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Been on this forum for quite a few years. I think I noticed a peak in MX interest a few years back when Dungey,Villopoto,Stewart and Reed...
Been on this forum for quite a few years. I think I noticed a peak in MX interest a few years back when Dungey,Villopoto,Stewart and Reed were all in it. The up and comers were Barcia, Canard, Tomac and Roczen.

For me that was the hay day at least. I think the overall interest is switch to more off-road racing. Hard Enduro more so. Don’t get me wrong I like to watch all the SX races but it seems to be about the same every year. Tracks are about the same and the riders jump the same shit and turn the same shit. Everyone can scrub and blitz whoops (or jump them).

The off-road scene I think is gaining traction because it’s something different usually all the time. Mother Earth provides a lot more versatile options then a set up track. Maybe I’m a little biased because I ride enduro but I see a lot of riders buying off-road 2 stroke trail bikes instead of the standard MX 4 stroke provided.

What are your thoughts?
About 6 years ago.
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I’ll just leave this here

People are getting tired of being nickled and dimed by the local promoter thats “barely making it” and sitting at the track all day long for 16-22 laps (If you race two classes)


25 bucks per head through the gate just to even watch the race to see if maybe you’d like to get into it one day isn’t helping either...

I love moto and always will but what the hell?? 190 bucks for one weekend of racing is a little insane

I remember a time when the shops were putting on races FOR FREE because they knew they would sell parts and bikes on Monday.... I know that’s too much to ask in today’s world but how the hell did we get here?
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Everyone that was on here when this place started and liked moto 15 years ago are all old ass boomers and gen x close to retirement, so taking it a little more mellow in enduro and trails makes sense.
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It’s very hard to argue that the SX pinnacle wasn’t the RC- Reed- Stew era, in more ways than one.
However every single year since, there’s been moves, moments, battles, rivalries, championship runs, that have been nothing short of epic. If you can’t appreciate that, than maybe you’re not a hardcore fan?

Than there’s MX......
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mx510 wrote:
As far as entries goes he is not wrong. Amateur racing off road/ GPs entry counts are WAY higher everywhere compared to moto. Sit around for...
As far as entries goes he is not wrong. Amateur racing off road/ GPs entry counts are WAY higher everywhere compared to moto. Sit around for 12 hours to ride 3 times and 4-5 laps at a time or show up and race on time for an hour to 2 1/2 hours based on class you are racing? Its an easy decision. Off road is superior until mx promoters chill on the money grab and actually offer just a little bit of value.
Number of F1 drivers - 20
Number of karters - 100,000+

Entries are one thing, popularity with a viewing audience is very much another. This distinction needs to be made.
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TannerMxer wrote:
Everyone that was on here when this place started and liked moto 15 years ago are all old ass boomers and gen x close to retirement...
Everyone that was on here when this place started and liked moto 15 years ago are all old ass boomers and gen x close to retirement, so taking it a little more mellow in enduro and trails makes sense.
I'm a genX'r, and in my mid 50's. I rode woods from age 10 to 19 with a small amount of MX mixed in. Then switched to only MX by age 20. (mid 1980's).
I've never owned a 4 stroke, and have put less than 10 laps total on one since the first Yamy came out around 98'.
I've never owned or needed an mx bike with electric start.
You can't generalize or put everyone in the same box based on age. I'll do moto until I can't anymore.
I'm 5' 10" tall and 164 lbs, whats great about being in gear on the bike and on the track, nobody knows my age. And if I'm running good laps and clearing the jumps and passing, some of the younger generation doesn't feel so bad that they got schooled by me.
And that gives me piece of mind!!
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JT Moto wrote:
Interesting. An enduro guy thinks enduro is best and moto is dying. Interesting.
LungButter wrote:
Interesting, another topic where you don't add shit and just try to make yourself look smart by talking down to others. Off road racing participation is...
Interesting, another topic where you don't add shit and just try to make yourself look smart by talking down to others.

Off road racing participation is growing on a local and National level, can you say the same for moto?

Graham Jarvis has a Million followers on Instagram, how many moto guys have that?

Do you have any facts or anything to add or just gonna run your mouth and add nothing as usual?
JBlain619 wrote:
I know for where I am in the Mid-Atlantic, it seems to be growing. Now, once stick and ball sports start back up on a regular...
I know for where I am in the Mid-Atlantic, it seems to be growing. Now, once stick and ball sports start back up on a regular basis, I think there will be a decline again unfortunately. At our first MDRA/PAMX race this past weekend at Tomahawk MX in WV, we had 858 entries. The largest event that Tomahawk has hosted from what I was told.

I couldn't care less if it's moto, off-road, street, or trials, as long as it is growing and helping my friends in the powersports industry pay their bills!
I was there this past week, holy crap! I have never seen so many people at a local race in the area! When we pulled into the track they had people parked outside of the complex, I could not believe it. it was awesome to see!
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LungButter wrote:
Interesting, another topic where you don't add shit and just try to make yourself look smart by talking down to others. Off road racing participation is...
Interesting, another topic where you don't add shit and just try to make yourself look smart by talking down to others.

Off road racing participation is growing on a local and National level, can you say the same for moto?

Graham Jarvis has a Million followers on Instagram, how many moto guys have that?

Do you have any facts or anything to add or just gonna run your mouth and add nothing as usual?
JBlain619 wrote:
I know for where I am in the Mid-Atlantic, it seems to be growing. Now, once stick and ball sports start back up on a regular...
I know for where I am in the Mid-Atlantic, it seems to be growing. Now, once stick and ball sports start back up on a regular basis, I think there will be a decline again unfortunately. At our first MDRA/PAMX race this past weekend at Tomahawk MX in WV, we had 858 entries. The largest event that Tomahawk has hosted from what I was told.

I couldn't care less if it's moto, off-road, street, or trials, as long as it is growing and helping my friends in the powersports industry pay their bills!
DMJ232 wrote:
I was there this past week, holy crap! I have never seen so many people at a local race in the area! When we pulled into...
I was there this past week, holy crap! I have never seen so many people at a local race in the area! When we pulled into the track they had people parked outside of the complex, I could not believe it. it was awesome to see!
Agreed brother! Track was epic too.
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