A Ray got the Rona :(

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dang472 wrote:
Well the flu is nonexistent because everyone is wearing masks and social distancing.....Covid is rampant in states with mask mandates for a year because no one...
Well the flu is nonexistent because everyone is wearing masks and social distancing.....Covid is rampant in states with mask mandates for a year because no one is wearing masks or social distancing. Please follow along.
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COVID is more contagious than the flu. Partly this is because COVID is new, and nobody has antibodies for it. Partly this is because the flu...
COVID is more contagious than the flu. Partly this is because COVID is new, and nobody has antibodies for it. Partly this is because the flu has a shorter incubation period than COVID.

The flu has been around for all of our lives, so we have antibodies, and it is more difficult to catch it. So our social distancing and masking is limiting the spread of the flu.
Some actually have some prior immunity to SARS COV-2. It's interesting and really highlights how little we really know about how our immune systems work.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/some-people-may-have-preexistin…

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GuyB wrote:
There’s going to be a mass member cleansing in here shortly.
You are insufferable, I swear.
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You are insufferable, I swear.
I helped you with your suffering. You're welcome.
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EZZA 95B wrote:
Have any of the riders had the flu, or is that no longer a thing?
toddw12 wrote:
According to CNN, the flu disappeared. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/10/477807/s1200_3288D909_604B_437A_8453_EFCA4CAAB175.jpg[/img]
According to CNN, the flu disappeared.
I work in an emergency department and i swab many patients each shift i work. To my knowledge i have personally only seen 1 flu B this year. Not a single flu A has popped up.
A coworker that actually triages more often than me concurred with me. He has seen 2 flu B and one that had flu A&B. Covid is a totally different animal though. Lots of those fuckers come back positive.
We are just outside Atlanta.
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APLMAN99 2/13/2021 8:01am
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Titan1. wrote:
So did the CDC change the reporting rules in March of 2020 or not? And if so, why? That's all that really matters to me...I couldn't...
So did the CDC change the reporting rules in March of 2020 or not? And if so, why? That's all that really matters to me...I couldn't care less if the source is www.realunbiasedaccurateandpeerreviewedscience.com, or www.jerryspringer.com.
RichieW13 wrote:
Yes. They realized that there is a new thing that is killing people, so they created a new classification code so it can be tracked.
dang472 wrote:
Ok, after all the source attacks you admit the CDC created a new way to count fatalities. The question is, have they done this with everything...
Ok, after all the source attacks you admit the CDC created a new way to count fatalities. The question is, have they done this with everything else? What happens to the Swine Flu numbers? I truly am curious.

For a pure mental exercise, let’s use an automotive analogy. If we take all rear end collisions in a month and list 40% of the cause as brake problems instead of following too closely/speed/distracted driving, do we suddenly have a brake problem that needs battery immediate attention?

Classification can change everything we perceive as normal or abnormal.
Your analogy would only make ANY sense if there were ZERO actual brake problems ever discovered before that time in order to be reported, and if suddenly the total number of accidents (that had been changing by a fairly low and somewhat predictable rate for decades) suddenly saw an annual jump of well over 15% from 2.8M accidents to about 3.3M accidents.

And yes, there have been guidelines set in the past for recording new issues that have caused or contributed to deaths. This is not the first.
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APLMAN99 2/13/2021 8:05am
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GuyB wrote:
There’s going to be a mass member cleansing in here shortly.
Sorry, I see that my post showing that you don’t need to be poor to contract Covid got pulled. Believe it or not, it really wasn’t a political post even though there were politicians in the list. It was only to show that even the very wealthy people with access to lots of hygienic supplies, etc, couldn’t guarantee that they were fully protected.

No evil intent, I promise!!!!!
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TbonesPop 2/13/2021 8:18am
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RichieW13 wrote:
Yes. They realized that there is a new thing that is killing people, so they created a new classification code so it can be tracked.
dang472 wrote:
Ok, after all the source attacks you admit the CDC created a new way to count fatalities. The question is, have they done this with everything...
Ok, after all the source attacks you admit the CDC created a new way to count fatalities. The question is, have they done this with everything else? What happens to the Swine Flu numbers? I truly am curious.

For a pure mental exercise, let’s use an automotive analogy. If we take all rear end collisions in a month and list 40% of the cause as brake problems instead of following too closely/speed/distracted driving, do we suddenly have a brake problem that needs battery immediate attention?

Classification can change everything we perceive as normal or abnormal.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Your analogy would only make ANY sense if there were ZERO actual brake problems ever discovered before that time in order to be reported, and if...
Your analogy would only make ANY sense if there were ZERO actual brake problems ever discovered before that time in order to be reported, and if suddenly the total number of accidents (that had been changing by a fairly low and somewhat predictable rate for decades) suddenly saw an annual jump of well over 15% from 2.8M accidents to about 3.3M accidents.

And yes, there have been guidelines set in the past for recording new issues that have caused or contributed to deaths. This is not the first.
Just a couple of points to the discussion on this topic. In Arizona, when the WHO changed their requirement to be classified as positive Covid, the infection rates in Arizona steadily dropped and have dropped to roughly half of what they were at the peak. Death rates however almost doubled in terms of percentages (not in numbers). Thus death rates have been steady. It is a lagging indicator though. I'm not sure what the real numbers of Covid and % death rate actually is at this point. The WHO should have required the new Covid testing requirements long ago as the new method helps eliminate false positives - which are highly common with PCR testing.

On another note, over 80% of Covid tests come back negative. While there are some people getting tested for business and travel purposes (me) who are healthy and just require a negative test to travel or see customers, many of the negative tests are from people that have some other sickness (cold or flu) that are getting tested to make sure its not Covid. I don't know where those Cold and Flu numbers are going, or if they are captured at all. But the point is, wearing masks, hand washing, and social distancing haven't stopped the traditional cold and Flu from happening this year. they just aren't being captured. If for example that 20% of Covid tests are positive, and 30% of the covid tests are for people working or traveling (who know they are going to be negative), the rest are people who are sick, but not Covid. That's 2.5X the amount of sick people without Covid. That's a lot of sick people.
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The truth lies directly in between the outer edges. Their are fallacies running rampant, we need to make certain that we remain a united body and not be demised in either direction. Use common sense, faith and love to see us through this turbulent cycle. And go ride them motorscooters, it's our form of a psychiatrist.
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APLMAN99 2/13/2021 8:40am
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dang472 wrote:
Ok, after all the source attacks you admit the CDC created a new way to count fatalities. The question is, have they done this with everything...
Ok, after all the source attacks you admit the CDC created a new way to count fatalities. The question is, have they done this with everything else? What happens to the Swine Flu numbers? I truly am curious.

For a pure mental exercise, let’s use an automotive analogy. If we take all rear end collisions in a month and list 40% of the cause as brake problems instead of following too closely/speed/distracted driving, do we suddenly have a brake problem that needs battery immediate attention?

Classification can change everything we perceive as normal or abnormal.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Your analogy would only make ANY sense if there were ZERO actual brake problems ever discovered before that time in order to be reported, and if...
Your analogy would only make ANY sense if there were ZERO actual brake problems ever discovered before that time in order to be reported, and if suddenly the total number of accidents (that had been changing by a fairly low and somewhat predictable rate for decades) suddenly saw an annual jump of well over 15% from 2.8M accidents to about 3.3M accidents.

And yes, there have been guidelines set in the past for recording new issues that have caused or contributed to deaths. This is not the first.
TbonesPop wrote:
Just a couple of points to the discussion on this topic. In Arizona, when the WHO changed their requirement to be classified as positive Covid, the...
Just a couple of points to the discussion on this topic. In Arizona, when the WHO changed their requirement to be classified as positive Covid, the infection rates in Arizona steadily dropped and have dropped to roughly half of what they were at the peak. Death rates however almost doubled in terms of percentages (not in numbers). Thus death rates have been steady. It is a lagging indicator though. I'm not sure what the real numbers of Covid and % death rate actually is at this point. The WHO should have required the new Covid testing requirements long ago as the new method helps eliminate false positives - which are highly common with PCR testing.

On another note, over 80% of Covid tests come back negative. While there are some people getting tested for business and travel purposes (me) who are healthy and just require a negative test to travel or see customers, many of the negative tests are from people that have some other sickness (cold or flu) that are getting tested to make sure its not Covid. I don't know where those Cold and Flu numbers are going, or if they are captured at all. But the point is, wearing masks, hand washing, and social distancing haven't stopped the traditional cold and Flu from happening this year. they just aren't being captured. If for example that 20% of Covid tests are positive, and 30% of the covid tests are for people working or traveling (who know they are going to be negative), the rest are people who are sick, but not Covid. That's 2.5X the amount of sick people without Covid. That's a lot of sick people.
I can’t recall ever being tested for the common cold. Flu? Not much either though I suspect that samples have been taken over the years to determine strain spread, etc. But I don’t truly ever remember being told the results of a flu test in my 55 years.

As for the AZ tests, I’m not sure exactly what those tests are measuring and it seems like a lot of arguments about rates boil down to not using the same metrics. The one thing that I think most would agree on is that it’s not reasonable to believe that any of those measurements could/would remain static with all of the changes being implemented in order to try to ‘control’ transmission throughout our communities.
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MattyVicious 2/13/2021 8:41am
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mxcrzy wrote:
Thought he had said he had it already?
You can get it more than once. It isn't chickenpox.
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GuyB wrote:
There’s going to be a mass member cleansing in here shortly.
Thanks for letting this go on as long as you have GuyB. Truthfully, I’ve been impressed with the overall maturity in this thread.
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TbonesPop 2/13/2021 9:47am
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I can’t recall ever being tested for the common cold. Flu? Not much either though I suspect that samples have been taken over the years to...
I can’t recall ever being tested for the common cold. Flu? Not much either though I suspect that samples have been taken over the years to determine strain spread, etc. But I don’t truly ever remember being told the results of a flu test in my 55 years.

As for the AZ tests, I’m not sure exactly what those tests are measuring and it seems like a lot of arguments about rates boil down to not using the same metrics. The one thing that I think most would agree on is that it’s not reasonable to believe that any of those measurements could/would remain static with all of the changes being implemented in order to try to ‘control’ transmission throughout our communities.
I agree with you. And while I think these transmission control techniques must have some helping effect, the fact is there is still plenty of other common cold and flu transmissions taking place. Assuming that social distancing, mask wearing, and hand washing as pretty much wiped out the common cold and season flu is ignorant. If the data shows little to no cold or flu transmission, it has to be due to less effort to track it - not that it hasn't gone away. It should be lower, but its certainly not as low as the data makes it seem (or others have suggested).
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TbonesPop 2/13/2021 9:56am
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mxcrzy wrote:
Thought he had said he had it already?
MattyVicious wrote:
You can get it more than once. It isn't chickenpox.
Your statement is the epitome of "anecdotal" evidence. There's no "scientific" evidence or studies to support that claim, certainly no independently, peer reviewed, scientific completed studies to this point. We may or may not be able to get it more than once - I know I've had it, and after getting over it I was exposed multiple times to people who also had it and I didn't catch it a second time. At some point could I catch it again? We Don't know. Depends on my immune system. With the high degree of errors in testing to this point (PCR false positive and negative tests), there's no way to know. The human body builds natural immunity to microorganisms it gets exposed to. That's why vaccines are effective.

Again, people should be careful about making broad brushed statements without scientific support to back it up - peer reviewed, independently verified studies. Just like all the other claims related to treatment techniques for Covid - HCQ, etc.
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I just imagine A Ray seeing this thread and he's like, some well wishes will definitely raise my spirits, let me check this thread out. 20 minutes later he's ready to jump off a bridge.
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EngIceDave 2/13/2021 10:58am
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Who ever got tested for the flu?

You sucked it up and suffered through
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EngIceDave wrote:
Who ever got tested for the flu?

You sucked it up and suffered through
Wife and I were feeling bad after travel and Dr’s office told us no one has had the flu in Charlotte .... and we both had it.
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Elbows 2/13/2021 11:36am
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I pretty sure A Ray will be back to 100% before this thread dies
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shmacky78 2/14/2021 4:38am
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I’m just waiting for the boot cleaning guy to make another thread ... 🤔
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peltier626 2/14/2021 5:49am
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shmacky78 wrote:
I’m just waiting for the boot cleaning guy to make another thread ... 🤔
Where is the gear cleaning guy? He hasn't been around in a while. One of the most entertaining threads here.
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shmacky78 wrote:
I’m just waiting for the boot cleaning guy to make another thread ... 🤔
peltier626 wrote:
Where is the gear cleaning guy? He hasn't been around in a while. One of the most entertaining threads here.
He's still around. In fact, he posted in his boot fetish thread not that long ago. Check the Dumbgeon.
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Phew still here. Silly
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crt32 2/17/2021 6:56pm
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False positive sounds like. Like was mentioned, PCR cycles need to be understood before a false positive ruins a championship.
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bvm111 2/18/2021 1:27am
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a year into this and some of you guys are probably shocked by his latest post.... i was 99.8 percent sure this is what the result would be and i’m stoked for A Ray!

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Bruce372 2/18/2021 7:31am
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Well, I guess whoever said life expectancy hasn't changed will have to find another narrative now.

World War 2 levels of decline, just like UK has WW2 levels of excess deaths

BBC News - Coronavirus: US life expectancy falls by a year amid pandemic
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56110005

BBC News - Covid: 2020 saw most excess deaths since World War Two
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693
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Bruce372 wrote:
Well, I guess whoever said life expectancy hasn't changed will have to find another narrative now. World War 2 levels of decline, just like UK has...
Well, I guess whoever said life expectancy hasn't changed will have to find another narrative now.

World War 2 levels of decline, just like UK has WW2 levels of excess deaths

BBC News - Coronavirus: US life expectancy falls by a year amid pandemic
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56110005

BBC News - Covid: 2020 saw most excess deaths since World War Two
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693
Been going on for 10 years. Drug overdoses, suicides, and obesity playing a large role. Add in lockdowns and dying with or from Covid and it's the perfect storm.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/health/us-life-expectancy-decline-study/…
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Bruce372 wrote:
Well, I guess whoever said life expectancy hasn't changed will have to find another narrative now. World War 2 levels of decline, just like UK has...
Well, I guess whoever said life expectancy hasn't changed will have to find another narrative now.

World War 2 levels of decline, just like UK has WW2 levels of excess deaths

BBC News - Coronavirus: US life expectancy falls by a year amid pandemic
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56110005

BBC News - Covid: 2020 saw most excess deaths since World War Two
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693
Ted722 wrote:
Been going on for 10 years. Drug overdoses, suicides, and obesity playing a large role. Add in lockdowns and dying with or from Covid and it's...
Been going on for 10 years. Drug overdoses, suicides, and obesity playing a large role. Add in lockdowns and dying with or from Covid and it's the perfect storm.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/health/us-life-expectancy-decline-study/…
Not that I want to echo a CNN link or that I want to discredit covid but painkillers and obesity should have the same attention and government action covid receives.
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