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Numbers do not lie
As reported by the CDC ... Here are the US deaths by year and the change from the previous year
Year 2017 2,818,503 Americans died
Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)
The year of the pandemic …
Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)
BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???
I've been told that COVID is responsible for now 400,000 + deaths. Shouldn't the 2020 number be a hell of a lot higher?
So the question becomes: How many people died OF COVID and How many died (of other causes) WITH COVID?
Does anyone know?
Basically October through December isn't completely finalized yet. When my sister in-law died in Nov 2018, we didn't get the death certificate until March 2019. So your facts are full of holes...
Also total deaths in:
2019 was 2,854,838 your number has been rounded up, which definitely didn't come from the cdc.
2020 preliminary: 3,187,086 no official number has been posted because it's not official...
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If the quarantine steps had not been taken, many, many more would be sick and dead. The chance of both catching and dying from Covid is significantly higher than things like the flu, even if the percentages appear to be in your favor. A 99% survival rate means 3.5 million Americans die if we all catch it, and that 76 million people would die from it worldwide. If you want to use 98% survival rate then double these numbers.
If quarantine steps had been followed more rigorously there’s a chance we’d be out of this mess instead of still arguing about why we’re in it.
And yes there are people who died while sick with Covid who had other health problems. They may have died anyway, but they may have lived longer. Whether that’s 1 day longer or 10 years longer nobody can say, but it contributed to their death.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy…
Chances are that you have been parroting those numbers from another source rather than looking them up yourself, because if you HAD looked them up you would realize that the CDC makes it clear that the the numbers generally take a full 12 weeks to finalize for any particular week. The numbers you appear to be using were from several weeks ago at best, because the CDC website now lists the total deaths for 2020 at 3,384,721. Now compare that to the 2019 number and you will see that applying your same logic, it is apparent that there were greater than 530K more deaths in 2020 than in 2019.
Did you forget to actually do that research you were talking about and just repeat numbers that seemed to be supportive of your view?!?!?!?!?
Here's a good spot to start doing that alleged research of yours.
https://data.cdc.gov/browse?q=Weekly%20Counts%20of%20Deaths%20by%20Stat…
Thus, this is where we find ourselves, face to face at the demilitarized zone as both sides are ultimately “Deniers” of facts controlled by the controllers who are not us.
I’ve come to the determination years ago that the manipulators are driving the dialogue and we are their targets.
Power and control are the goal, all for selfish reasons.
The debate which is programed to divide us, has been successful for decades.
We all know the divisive topics promoted that are used for this purpose. COVID is just another useful tool.
Ultimately Ray is a victim of this charade. Again, this is my belief.
On that note I choose to exit this debate and go riding and watch SX and other racing events.
You have always seemed to be a reasonable dude, but this is beyond hilarious.
The "data" you claimed had no shown source, yet you were presenting it as factual. I showed you the actual data, from THE actual source, and you sidestep like Ginger Rogers. Really?
You are somewhat correct in your belief that this leaves both "sides" face to face, but at least have the nuts to admit that in this instance that the side you are standing on is the one that is ignoring data, inventing false data, or denying data that doesn't fit your agenda.
And the ultimate irony is your fraudulent sermons on doing "research", as if none of us ever do that and you were sowing heaps of knowledge on the unwashed masses........
When shown some VERY basic research tactics (verifying numbers at the source before parroting false ones) you certainly changed your tactic in a hurry.
This is something I have seen first hand. My grandfathers brother unfortunately passed away late last year after a long battle with Dimensia (I seriously don't wish that on anyone, it's horrific). After his passing a Covid test was administered and it came back positive, so his death was attributed to Covid. Now, to be sure there's plenty of people dying outside of hospitals and not having their deaths recorded at the same time, so maybe that balances the number out, but the take away here is that you have to take the total death number for what it is and realize that it likely isn't all that accurate.
Whether it's too low or too high is anyone's guess, but anyone throwing that number around as absolute truth is wasting their time.
My last comment speaks my thoughts clearly.
Until we decide not to debate the "questionable facts" that are available to us and decide to work together, those who control us maintain control.
Cheers to all and happy moto
Pit Row
Someone is commenting on what the thread IS ACTUALLY ABOUT!
Stoked for A-Ray.
Now, the rest of you can go back to arguing the implied merits of “your COVID position”
translation- "actual numbers that don't match up with my predetermined view lie, others that are just made up are good......."
If masks are supposed to work...why aren't they working?
Asking for a friend.
And...best of luck to A Ray.
If you define it as completely eliminating any and all transmission, then they obviously don’t (and won’t) “work”.
Most people understand that there gradients in between 100% effective and 0% effective, and whether or not something “works” isn’t dependent upon it being one of those 2 extremes.
You're offended because I told people to be careful?
To suggest using and wearing protective gear and to view a mask the same way makes me a bad guy?
Not wanting anyone to have to go through what my family has had to endure makes me wrong?
Then so be it
But, generally, physicians are supposed to consider COVID the cause of death only when the COVID likely caused the the respiratory distress that led to death.
"Most of the cases are pretty straightforward," Fowkes told Live Science. "The lungs are usually so severely involved with pathology, so they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung."
https://www.livescience.com/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted.html
The flu has been around for all of our lives, so we have antibodies, and it is more difficult to catch it. So our social distancing and masking is limiting the spread of the flu.
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