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Edited Date/Time 12/24/2020 10:32am
Ahead of the season, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

A rider missing 1 or potentially multiple rounds due to catching the virus (not injury). We've just seen it happen in F1. Should a precedent be set before season commencement, or is it quite literally as simple as too bad? A precedent such as all riders eligible to drop their worst round, or if in the event of being forced to miss a round, being awarded their average placed position over the course of the '21 series?

Just spit balling here, please save the pitch forks, but imagine a close season blown open by a rider missing 1 or more events due to something somewhat beyond their control.
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BMc914 12/6/2020 11:27pm
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A rider can't afford to miss races. A privateer needs all the dollars they can't get and the top guys all have bonuses for podiums and what not so they need to just minimize outside contact with the normal world. If they get then it's on the rider. They know they have to be healthy to race.

A wise man once said you need to eat supercross, sleep supercross, shit supercross.
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BS12 12/7/2020 12:10am
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A rider can't afford to miss races. A privateer needs all the dollars they can't get and the top guys all have bonuses for podiums and...
A rider can't afford to miss races. A privateer needs all the dollars they can't get and the top guys all have bonuses for podiums and what not so they need to just minimize outside contact with the normal world. If they get then it's on the rider. They know they have to be healthy to race.

A wise man once said you need to eat supercross, sleep supercross, shit supercross.
Problem is they're also frequenting airports/planes (with face masks obviously).

To swing the argument towards the "too bad" side, I digress that mechanical DNF's happen, as do other riders' interfering with results due to their own mishaps. I just feel like Covid hits a little different as its somewhat beyond anyone's control (not the team nor the riders') but with potentially major championship implications.
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cloud41 12/7/2020 4:24am
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It’s really no different if they had any other illness. The fact people are making it seem different is the real issue.
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Thisusernameisavailable 12/7/2020 4:45am
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Why a rider would need or expect to be treated any differently if they caught covid over any other illness is beyond me.
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Edge-Of-Adhesion 12/7/2020 4:45am
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cloud41 wrote:
It’s really no different if they had any other illness. The fact people are making it seem different is the real issue.
I think there is a difference. A rider with Covid won't be able to ride because of the risk of infecting others, not because it neccesarily renders him physically unable to ride, like most other illnesses.

Either way if you can't ride ride you shouldn't be able to score points.
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rohleder644 12/7/2020 4:45am
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There is a difference though. We hear of riders racing and struggling through the flu every year. With covid, they’re not allowed to.
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TropicPilot 12/7/2020 4:48am
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cloud41 wrote:
It’s really no different if they had any other illness. The fact people are making it seem different is the real issue.
Well, it's somewhat different in how it will affect the rider's eligibility. If a rider comes down with a regular flu, he can tough it out for a week or so and score some points. If a rider tests positive for COVID, he might not even feel sick but the sanctioning body is going to sit him out.

The contenders all need to take steps to ensure that doesn't happen to them.
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88FYNN88 12/7/2020 4:49am
12/7/2020 4:49am Edited Date/Time 12/7/2020 4:52am
Cooper was sick last year and raced through it. If he had COVID, they would have not let him even near the stadium.
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BS12 12/7/2020 5:12am
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The few comments above are essentially what I'm referring to. Riders can/have/will race through just about anything from sickness to injury, however in this instance they are forced out. Can't really avoid getting sick (to a degree) but have always been able/allowed to tough it out, almost like a showing of their true grit and determination. But test positive, regardless of how the rider is feeling, and they're sidelined straight away.

I could be looking into it too much, but just passing thoughts that I figure may make for good discussion.
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JBlain619 12/7/2020 5:23am
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88FYNN88 wrote:
Cooper was sick last year and raced through it. If he had COVID, they would have not let him even near the stadium.
He was sick before COVID protocols were in place.
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kb228 12/7/2020 5:26am
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If you get covid you miss 2-3 weeks of racing end of story. Thats why its important to take the precautions.
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ElliotB16 12/7/2020 5:32am
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COVID is still a thing?
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bh84 12/7/2020 5:41am
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If F1 and MotoGP riders were missing races due to it then you can be sure SX riders will too.
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JBlain619 12/7/2020 5:53am
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kb228 wrote:
If you get covid you miss 2-3 weeks of racing end of story. Thats why its important to take the precautions.
Exactly. I think we will see a lot of riders driving to events that they would normally fly to.
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88FYNN88 12/7/2020 5:57am
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With supercross being such a big moneymaker, could we see teams quarantining riders and keeping them in a bubble(Like NBA did)? Also, why do teams not fly private? It's not that expensive and could save riders from coming into contact with hundreds of people in an airport. I am looking at you KTM/Husky/GasGas as almost all of their riders live in FL.
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ayearinmx 12/7/2020 6:06am
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anyone heard of Jorge Prado? It's already happened in an FIM sanctioned event..... Brian Bogers was the first (although later overturned), plus there was a few of others too
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bayodome 12/7/2020 6:20am
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ayearinmx wrote:
anyone heard of Jorge Prado? It's already happened in an FIM sanctioned event..... Brian Bogers was the first (although later overturned), plus there was a few...
anyone heard of Jorge Prado? It's already happened in an FIM sanctioned event..... Brian Bogers was the first (although later overturned), plus there was a few of others too
Reason from abroad! Thanks David.
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Motoxdoc 12/7/2020 6:28am
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cloud41 wrote:
It’s really no different if they had any other illness. The fact people are making it seem different is the real issue.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Amen!
Yes, it’s just the same....other than being super contagious and having significantly more symptoms and a higher morbidity rate associated with it. Amen to that!?Huh
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Ted722 12/7/2020 8:01am
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The condensed SX schedule will not be kind to those testing positive.

What testing protocol will Feld/AMA use? How quickly will they get test results?

Too many examples of false positives or questionable results this year in NFL, College, Elon Musk, etc. Feld/AMA should have multiple tests...short turnaround, longer and Riders administer their own CYA tests too.

If no symptoms and some negative tests, let them ride.
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BS12 wrote:
Ahead of the season, what's everyone's thoughts on this? A rider missing 1 or potentially multiple rounds due to catching the virus (not injury). We've just...
Ahead of the season, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

A rider missing 1 or potentially multiple rounds due to catching the virus (not injury). We've just seen it happen in F1. Should a precedent be set before season commencement, or is it quite literally as simple as too bad? A precedent such as all riders eligible to drop their worst round, or if in the event of being forced to miss a round, being awarded their average placed position over the course of the '21 series?

Just spit balling here, please save the pitch forks, but imagine a close season blown open by a rider missing 1 or more events due to something somewhat beyond their control.
"is it quite literally as simple as too bad?"

Yes.
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MotoMan12345 12/7/2020 8:49am
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I bet Kenny flies private every round. Wouldn’t be surprised if other riders do it as well / pitch in all season to fly private. You miss 1 round and ur done
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bh84 12/7/2020 8:57am
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They made Valentino Rossi sit out 2 races. If the most famous motorcycle racer in the world can be held out of a race anyone can. Test positive and they'll likely have to have 2 negative tests before they are allowed back. Thats how MotoGP did it this year. Kind of screwed Jorge Martin out of a really good shot at the Moto2 title
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EngIceDave 12/7/2020 10:08am
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BS12 wrote:
Ahead of the season, what's everyone's thoughts on this? A rider missing 1 or potentially multiple rounds due to catching the virus (not injury). We've just...
Ahead of the season, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

A rider missing 1 or potentially multiple rounds due to catching the virus (not injury). We've just seen it happen in F1. Should a precedent be set before season commencement, or is it quite literally as simple as too bad? A precedent such as all riders eligible to drop their worst round, or if in the event of being forced to miss a round, being awarded their average placed position over the course of the '21 series?

Just spit balling here, please save the pitch forks, but imagine a close season blown open by a rider missing 1 or more events due to something somewhat beyond their control.
It's part of the game
Everyone is just as susceptible to it as the next guy
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EngIceDave 12/7/2020 10:14am
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JBlain619 wrote:
Exactly. I think we will see a lot of riders driving to events that they would normally fly to.
IMO, more likely to get it driving around the country...gas stations, bathrooms, restaurants, hotels, etc..

Flying is far safer, as the planes turn over the air constantly and you keep apart in airport and space in seats with a mask on

IMO, less exposure flying home than the unknown across country.

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jorgechavez 12/7/2020 10:30am
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Some of the replies in this thread are eye opening Blink
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JLM#144 12/7/2020 10:34am
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Might be a good year to implement dropping 2 of your lowest finishes. So a top rider can recover and not lose points. Still fair for those who race, if they make a mistake at a round or 2.
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GuyB 12/7/2020 10:46am
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You've seen where the NFL, NBA, and MLB all let teams throw out several of their worst games, right?

Yeah, me neither.

From what I've been told, rapid testing will happen at each of the locations on the series.
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kb228 12/7/2020 10:55am
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GuyB wrote:
You've seen where the NFL, NBA, and MLB all let teams throw out several of their worst games, right? Yeah, me neither. From what I've been...
You've seen where the NFL, NBA, and MLB all let teams throw out several of their worst games, right?

Yeah, me neither.

From what I've been told, rapid testing will happen at each of the locations on the series.
Imagine losing the title because you had a false positive from a rapid test. Elon Musk was tested 4 times with the results split 50/50.
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JBlain619 12/7/2020 10:57am
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JBlain619 wrote:
Exactly. I think we will see a lot of riders driving to events that they would normally fly to.
EngIceDave wrote:
IMO, more likely to get it driving around the country...gas stations, bathrooms, restaurants, hotels, etc.. Flying is far safer, as the planes turn over the air...
IMO, more likely to get it driving around the country...gas stations, bathrooms, restaurants, hotels, etc..

Flying is far safer, as the planes turn over the air constantly and you keep apart in airport and space in seats with a mask on

IMO, less exposure flying home than the unknown across country.

I'm not talking about leaving LA and driving to Daytona. More like the ones that aren't super far from the home base. An airplane is a petri dish of disease potential. Just 2 nights ago, there was a major headline in the news about a child testing positive and there was a mad dash to get to the airport to stop the child and his parents from getting on a plane to fly home. They arrested the parents and put them and the child in quarantine. Honestly, if they are going to that extreme and getting DHS involved this deep, there must be some merit to airline travel being super risky. We will be traveling by vehicle whenever it is feasibly possible this year. Another reason why I hope my guy is West coast.
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