DeCoster Question for the Old Timers

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If you look at DeCoster’s riding and results in 1976 you see the top MX racer in the world at that moment. He won the 500cc World Championship, the Motocross and Trophee Des Nations, and the Trans AMA title. He was up against some very fast Americans in the Trans AMA - Lackey, Smith, Hannah, Howerton, Weinert, Semics, etc. + Euros Wolsink, Noyce, Weil, and Geboers.
Any image of him on the 1976 factory Suzuki ‘s shows him looking completely comfortable and at home on the bike.

My question is, why then, only a few months later, were he and Suzuki caught so unprepared by Mikkola and Yamaha in the GP's? I know Mikkola was an animal, but DeCoster had raced him plenty of times before.
Was Roger hurt in the off season? Did they drop the ball developing the 77 factory bike? Was Roger just worn out by then.
Always wondered about why he didn’t have more for Heikki that year. Any stories or insights appreciated.

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Carlsbad.
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Oh my dear God.....look at the lack of proper safety equipment!!!!

Gotta love the old school guys.... tough as nails!
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didnt he lose a spleen and almost die?
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3/3/2020 6:32pm Edited Date/Time 3/3/2020 6:35pm
cable wrote:
didnt he lose a spleen and almost die?
Yeah. There’s a really good in-depth interview out there somewhere. The spleen thing, he said they put him on an operating table that they could raise one end and lower the other. Almost had him upside down so the blood, what was left, would kind of keep his skull and brain fed as best as they could.

Hell of a life really. Saved his own money as a kid,
I think he was 15, bought his first bike and had to hide it from his father at a friends house. When the old guy read about him winning a local race in the paper he thought that was his ass. But the old guy
all of a sudden was like, “that’s my boy!”

He took that beater and somehow rode the heck out of it good enough to catch a ride at CZ. This, at a time when Belgium was THE Mecca of motocross.
He beat out a ton of talent to catch that ride.

Which then turned into the Zook thing, the rest, History.

He is one of those that believes in going out a winner.
Won his last GP event on a factory Honda, and hung it up.

Yeah, heck of a ride. His whole life, one way or another, was, shoot, still is, Moto Cross.
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3/3/2020 7:04pm Edited Date/Time 3/3/2020 7:08pm
BobbyM wrote:
Carlsbad.
I assume of all the hundreds of races DeCoster competed in, that has to be the one he regrets. Must have been an epic day for the fans otherwise. Jim Pomeroy became the first American to win a moto at the 500cc USGP Carlsbad, California. Pomeroy did it on a factory Honda.

Apparently DeCoster was fast that day and almost nipped Pomeroy for 1st in the opening moto. He was chasing Lackey for 1st in the second moto when Lackey went down taking DeCoster with him. DeCoster's bike was tweaked.

Even though his mechanics straightened the bike out, RD walked away from the moto giving up big points to Mikkola.

Gerrit Wolsink won the overall on time over Heikki Mikkola.


https://racerxonline.com/2017/08/23/25-day-countdown-to-mxgp-of-usa-car…

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I remember when Pomeroy won that 250 moto in Spain. On a Bultaco. We all here in the States thought it was gonna be Lackey to be first American to beat the Euros.
Even tho it was just a moto, it was a huge thing for the moto heads here in the USA.
Especially when Jim said he could have won both motos, the bike was perfect, but over his objections the factory mechanics changed a bunch of stuff.
I mean, we all thought, after having our asses handed to us for so long,it was game on.

But alas, the Spanish Curse rang true.
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I think his spleen injury was in 78, and I think some people underestimate Heikki Mikkola. DeCoster had the worst luck at Carlsbad.
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3/3/2020 9:12pm
Heikki Mikkola was a brute and learned from DeCoster until he could beat him. Cool
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Decoster said that Suzuki kept adding Suspension travel, and the bikes didn't handle as well. I believe I saw this on his Motocross Files interview. the extended one.
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3/4/2020 6:46am
Stoneface wrote:
If you look at DeCoster’s riding and results in 1976 you see the top MX racer in the world at that moment. He won the 500cc...
If you look at DeCoster’s riding and results in 1976 you see the top MX racer in the world at that moment. He won the 500cc World Championship, the Motocross and Trophee Des Nations, and the Trans AMA title. He was up against some very fast Americans in the Trans AMA - Lackey, Smith, Hannah, Howerton, Weinert, Semics, etc. + Euros Wolsink, Noyce, Weil, and Geboers.
Any image of him on the 1976 factory Suzuki ‘s shows him looking completely comfortable and at home on the bike.

My question is, why then, only a few months later, were he and Suzuki caught so unprepared by Mikkola and Yamaha in the GP's? I know Mikkola was an animal, but DeCoster had raced him plenty of times before.
Was Roger hurt in the off season? Did they drop the ball developing the 77 factory bike? Was Roger just worn out by then.
Always wondered about why he didn’t have more for Heikki that year. Any stories or insights appreciated.

1976


1977

I don't know but that top picture is epic.
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Stoneface wrote:
If you look at DeCoster’s riding and results in 1976 you see the top MX racer in the world at that moment. He won the 500cc...
If you look at DeCoster’s riding and results in 1976 you see the top MX racer in the world at that moment. He won the 500cc World Championship, the Motocross and Trophee Des Nations, and the Trans AMA title. He was up against some very fast Americans in the Trans AMA - Lackey, Smith, Hannah, Howerton, Weinert, Semics, etc. + Euros Wolsink, Noyce, Weil, and Geboers.
Any image of him on the 1976 factory Suzuki ‘s shows him looking completely comfortable and at home on the bike.

My question is, why then, only a few months later, were he and Suzuki caught so unprepared by Mikkola and Yamaha in the GP's? I know Mikkola was an animal, but DeCoster had raced him plenty of times before.
Was Roger hurt in the off season? Did they drop the ball developing the 77 factory bike? Was Roger just worn out by then.
Always wondered about why he didn’t have more for Heikki that year. Any stories or insights appreciated.

1976


1977

I don't know but that top picture is epic.
Yeah it is.

I heard that bike was so light they had to strap it down in the pits or it would float away.

Seriously, great pic.
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Stoneface wrote:
If you look at DeCoster’s riding and results in 1976 you see the top MX racer in the world at that moment. He won the 500cc...
If you look at DeCoster’s riding and results in 1976 you see the top MX racer in the world at that moment. He won the 500cc World Championship, the Motocross and Trophee Des Nations, and the Trans AMA title. He was up against some very fast Americans in the Trans AMA - Lackey, Smith, Hannah, Howerton, Weinert, Semics, etc. + Euros Wolsink, Noyce, Weil, and Geboers.
Any image of him on the 1976 factory Suzuki ‘s shows him looking completely comfortable and at home on the bike.

My question is, why then, only a few months later, were he and Suzuki caught so unprepared by Mikkola and Yamaha in the GP's? I know Mikkola was an animal, but DeCoster had raced him plenty of times before.
Was Roger hurt in the off season? Did they drop the ball developing the 77 factory bike? Was Roger just worn out by then.
Always wondered about why he didn’t have more for Heikki that year. Any stories or insights appreciated.

1976


1977

I don't know but that top picture is epic.
motogrady wrote:
Yeah it is. I heard that bike was so light they had to strap it down in the pits or it would float away. Seriously, great...
Yeah it is.

I heard that bike was so light they had to strap it down in the pits or it would float away.

Seriously, great pic.


Dude must have been standing next to me when he took it. Tongue
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Appreciate as well that De Coster had a lot more on his plate in 76-78 than Mikkola. Mikkola stopped doing Trans AMA races in 73 or 74, pretty much did only the GP's, DeCoster was Suzuki's (and motocross's) main marketing tool for the US.
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Oh my dear God.....look at the lack of proper safety equipment!!!!

Gotta love the old school guys.... tough as nails!
Chest protector probably more effective than many today.
Better shoulder protection (obvious in the ‘77 pic) Than common today.
Boots hardly changed. (Much quicker to do up now!!)
Gloves far more protective back then.
Leather pants - more protective, but hot and expensive.
Helmet modern design - only with MIPS etc have they moved much.
The old “Joffa” face mask seemed very effective when ever I applied my face to anything. No risk of rotating the head like a full face.

Little advancement in safety gear considering it’s over 40 years ago.
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I don't know but that top picture is epic.
motogrady wrote:
Yeah it is. I heard that bike was so light they had to strap it down in the pits or it would float away. Seriously, great...
Yeah it is.

I heard that bike was so light they had to strap it down in the pits or it would float away.

Seriously, great pic.
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/04/408393/s1200_DeCoster.jpg[/img] Dude must have been standing next to me when he took it. :P


Dude must have been standing next to me when he took it. Tongue
Man that’s a great shot. Up on the tank trying to keep the front down. Very cool.

Talking about the gear, I know he went full face helmet towards the end of his riding days, but it seems he stuck with that road bike style visor for a long time. Almost a trademark.
3/4/2020 6:21pm Edited Date/Time 3/4/2020 6:35pm
I think in the MX Files Hannah said he could never have beat DeCoster in DeCoster’s prime. And Dr. Wolsink paid his schooling by racing MX in the summer and became a master of Carlsbad.
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DeCoster was riding like crap at Carlsbad in 1976.

That was the first pro race (and GP) that I ever attended as a kid, and DeCoster kept sliding out and falling on both the Ledge and just before Devils Drop.

Even the locals like Wayne Boyer, Rex Staten, and Kenny Zhart were riding more in control.

Wolsink's bike was dialed in, he knew how to ride the blue groove.

I don't think Roger ever found the right Metzeler, or correct suspension setting for Carlsbad.
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Great stories. 70s was right before my era (80s), but that's some cool old school moto and I dig it because it's what has built our our sport.
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3/5/2020 1:20am Edited Date/Time 3/5/2020 1:22am
The most amazing difference between that era and the current is that Decoster didn’t start riding till ? (Late teens?)
He had the opposite of MX parents.

No one that starts riding in their teens now, could become world champion.
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skypig wrote:
The most amazing difference between that era and the current is that Decoster didn’t start riding till ? (Late teens?) He had the opposite of MX...
The most amazing difference between that era and the current is that Decoster didn’t start riding till ? (Late teens?)
He had the opposite of MX parents.

No one that starts riding in their teens now, could become world champion.
Just because it hasn't happened in awhile doesn't mean that it can't happen again.
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3/5/2020 10:10am
skypig wrote:
The most amazing difference between that era and the current is that Decoster didn’t start riding till ? (Late teens?) He had the opposite of MX...
The most amazing difference between that era and the current is that Decoster didn’t start riding till ? (Late teens?)
He had the opposite of MX parents.

No one that starts riding in their teens now, could become world champion.
JustMX wrote:
Just because it hasn't happened in awhile doesn't mean that it can't happen again.
Dowd and Smets where the last two guys like this, that started riding late,
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lots of answers here... If there's a more in-depth interview with Roger, I don't know about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCZhCiuA3hA&t=337s

After his stint with Honda, as a manager, he was, I dunno if it was editor, but something like that, with I think Dirt Bike Magazine.
If you can get those magazines, you will really see inside the guy. His punctuation wasn’t the best, he’d be run off a place like this. But once a month, he only did it for a year or so, it was ringside at deCosterville.
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Roger is of course The Man and always will be, but I feel that the Flying Finn is underappreciated. He absolutely kicked the world's asses, including Roger's, but isn't always in the conversation of greatest racers.
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3/5/2020 12:08pm Edited Date/Time 3/5/2020 12:09pm
I think you may have underestimated Mikola, he was a beast and beat Roger in 1974 too on a Husqvarna for the 500 championship. He was also a five time world champion, four on 500's and one on the 250. He may very well have had five 500 championships like Rodger had Husqvarna not had him ride the 250 in 1976 after already winning the 500 world title.

I was just in elementary school in the late 70's reading magazines in the school library to follow my superheroes and have no "real" insight. Lackey, Mikkola,Hannah, Glover were my favorites and made me a life long Husqvarna and Yamaha fan.

1969 250cc Husqvarna 14th
1970 250cc Husqvarna 4th
1971 250cc Husqvarna 4th
1972 500cc Husqvarna 3rd
1973 250cc Husqvarna 3rd
1974 500cc Husqvarna 1st
1975 500cc Husqvarna 2nd
1976 250cc Husqvarna 1st
1977 500cc Yamaha 1st
1978 500cc Yamaha 1st
1979 500cc Yamaha 5th
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skypig wrote:
The most amazing difference between that era and the current is that Decoster didn’t start riding till ? (Late teens?) He had the opposite of MX...
The most amazing difference between that era and the current is that Decoster didn’t start riding till ? (Late teens?)
He had the opposite of MX parents.

No one that starts riding in their teens now, could become world champion.
JustMX wrote:
Just because it hasn't happened in awhile doesn't mean that it can't happen again.
While it’s possible that someone who is the same age as Jet Lawrence is currently learning how to let the clutch out, change gears, and where the rear brake is, could go on to win an AMA championship, I can’t see it happening.

I think the current level is so high, you can’t give the rest of the field a head start.
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RD was indeed indeed the MAN. I watched him race in his prime. He beat everyone at the top of the sport at the time. He was so cool I had to have his gloves and leathers.
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Appreciate as well that De Coster had a lot more on his plate in 76-78 than Mikkola. Mikkola stopped doing Trans AMA races in 73 or...
Appreciate as well that De Coster had a lot more on his plate in 76-78 than Mikkola. Mikkola stopped doing Trans AMA races in 73 or 74, pretty much did only the GP's, DeCoster was Suzuki's (and motocross's) main marketing tool for the US.
I think something else that is overlooked regarding Mikkola's success is that by 77 Yamaha had pretty much perfected the Monoshock while Suzuki Honda and others were still running twinshock bikes. Hannah was ripping on Yamahas around the same time. Mikkola was surely a beast and he had the Good Fortune of having the right bike at the right time as well. Rodger had a lot on his plate.
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