Tomac's triple jump passes

dboivin wrote:

want to take tomac's line, be faster than him...

motokawi818 wrote:

Terrible argument. At least 4 riders have been faster than him this year. More if you count fast laps.

byke wrote:

I don't like the idea of putting another rider in a possible Canard/Morais position just to stamp a pass that's already been made by a faster...

I don't like the idea of putting another rider in a possible Canard/Morais position just to stamp a pass that's already been made by a faster rider.

CPR wrote:

You say "ET3 didn't move over on the face of the jump." Looks like it to me. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/23/406381/s1200_IMG_0172.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/23/406382/s1200_IMG_0173.jpg[/img]

You say "ET3 didn't move over on the face of the jump."

Looks like it to me.

Creiz wrote:

WTF is Tomac thinking? Lost A LOT of respect for him after seeing this...Not cool under any circumstances to obviously trying to hurt other riders

Piston Slap wrote:

The Rider in front has the pick of line. .

KR had the option to brake....

aees wrote:

So cross jumping is fine then according to you.

Fonzarelli wrote:

The term cross jumping seems like it should be self explanitory. Apparently it's not. Hint: cross jumping = jumping across the track, as in leaving the...

The term cross jumping seems like it should be self explanitory. Apparently it's not.

Hint: cross jumping = jumping across the track, as in leaving the ground on the inside and landing on the outside. Nobody did that.

Piston Slap wrote:

The Rider in front has the pick of line. .

KR had the option to brake....

aees wrote:

So cross jumping is fine then according to you.

kkawboy14 wrote:

He didn’t cross jump. He passed before the jump! He was ahead of them before the take off. It would have to be more of a...

He didn’t cross jump. He passed before the jump! He was ahead of them before the take off.

It would have to be more of a block pass on the face of a jump. Just like getting block passed in a turn, the guy getting blocked can slow down or get punted, they chose to slow down.

CPR wrote:

Come on Mmus, I can accept that Tomac did nothing wrong and it was a racing move ( an uncool one at that), but to say...

Come on Mmus, I can accept that Tomac did nothing wrong and it was a racing move ( an uncool one at that), but to say "Eli is holding his line not moving over" is laughable. You're not serious are you?

Dougy1 wrote:

What if still images don’t give justice to momentum...

dboivin wrote:

i didn't say last race...or last year or ever. i was strictly talking about the subject here. obviously you cannot understand that part.

CPR wrote:

Come on Mmus, I can accept that Tomac did nothing wrong and it was a racing move ( an uncool one at that), but to say...

Come on Mmus, I can accept that Tomac did nothing wrong and it was a racing move ( an uncool one at that), but to say "Eli is holding his line not moving over" is laughable. You're not serious are you?

Momus wrote:

He kept his trajectory 100 percent.
Roczen could see that from metres back. Tomac used that same line repeatedly.
It was a motocross race.

Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:

I saw the way Tomac was cutting across the jump face to take away the line of the other riders going up the jump and really...

I saw the way Tomac was cutting across the jump face to take away the line of the other riders going up the jump and really thought that was a totally uncool and dangerous thing to do.

Tomac used to be one of my favorite riders and he will most probably win this championship, but I no longer like the guy as he seems to be in it only for himself and the money, not for the fans and not for his reputation either other than being fast. This became quite clear to me when he decided not to race the MXdN's unlike past champions like Carmichael, Emig, Windham, etc. who would always be there. Now he seems to feel he needs the extra insurance to win the championship by cutting off riders rather than just by decimating them with his speed. I call it a cheap move. SX is dangerous enough.

I also noted that Roczen didn't complain during the interview, but he might have been holding it in. Audiences don't receive griping very well even when there is a valid reason for the gripe. Roczen is very media savvy.

Hope this thread doesn't get littered with too many knuckle dragger " rubbin's racin' " comments

Ozy wrote:

I just finished watching the recording of race 3 and was watching intently - Most of the straight away we are debating about had jumps. ET3...

I just finished watching the recording of race 3 and was watching intently - Most of the straight away we are debating about had jumps. ET3 didn't move over on the face of the jump. Kenny's front wheel was close to Eli's rear and for sure Kenny saw him moving back to the main line. Kenny looked back because everybody was tripling that section and he was forced to double.

If you want Kroc to win the move could be seen as dirty. if you want Tomac to win then it was fine.

Another perspective to consider is how things shake out on the first few turns and jumps after the start. <-- with this in mind what Eli did wasn't really dangerous. IF Andersen landed on Kroc because of Eli moving into the fast line all the complaining would make way more sense

I am a big fan of both Eli and Kenny and would be saying the same thing if positions were reversed, What's not to love about the way Kenny is racing this year!! Freakin' awesome and showing the heart of a champion

CPR wrote:

You say "ET3 didn't move over on the face of the jump." Looks like it to me. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/23/406381/s1200_IMG_0172.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/23/406382/s1200_IMG_0173.jpg[/img]

You say "ET3 didn't move over on the face of the jump."

Looks like it to me.

Dirty Points wrote:

Kept his trajectory? You do know it is impossible not to keep your trajectory, right?

byke wrote:

I don't like the idea of putting another rider in a possible Canard/Morais position just to stamp a pass that's already been made by a faster...

I don't like the idea of putting another rider in a possible Canard/Morais position just to stamp a pass that's already been made by a faster rider.

Silas444 wrote:

Somewhere along the line, not sure when or where, Eli Tomac was lofted up to some sort of weird, almost God-like status by a seeming majority...

Somewhere along the line, not sure when or where, Eli Tomac was lofted up to some sort of weird, almost God-like status by a seeming majority of supercross fans. In their eyes, he is virtually infallible, and no visual evidence to the contrary can sway them from believing their hearts, rather than their eyes. If Eli wins, then all is well - period. In this particular instance, as they see it, he didn't cross jump, he merely vanquished some decrepit sinners while being up in the heavenly air that perpetually surrounds him, and they're feeling blessed to have witnessed exactly that. And now, they must go, for they must continue working on the ceiling mural of Eli they're creating in the Eli chapel. Work there is not yet completed, and they're feeling stressed, for he could be there to visit them at any minute.

Silas444 wrote:

Somewhere along the line, not sure when or where, Eli Tomac was lofted up to some sort of weird, almost God-like status by a seeming majority...

Somewhere along the line, not sure when or where, Eli Tomac was lofted up to some sort of weird, almost God-like status by a seeming majority of supercross fans. In their eyes, he is virtually infallible, and no visual evidence to the contrary can sway them from believing their hearts, rather than their eyes. If Eli wins, then all is well - period. In this particular instance, as they see it, he didn't cross jump, he merely vanquished some decrepit sinners while being up in the heavenly air that perpetually surrounds him, and they're feeling blessed to have witnessed exactly that. And now, they must go, for they must continue working on the ceiling mural of Eli they're creating in the Eli chapel. Work there is not yet completed, and they're feeling stressed, for he could be there to visit them at any minute.

TXDirt wrote:

Luckily KR had enough room to shut it down before take off. It’s obvious most of you don’t know how dangerous that move was by Eli...

Luckily KR had enough room to shut it down before take off. It’s obvious most of you don’t know how dangerous that move was by Eli. That’s not racing that just bush league by Eli.

NateDawg wrote:

It's obvious that you've never seriously raced a day in your life.

Silas444 wrote:

Somewhere along the line, not sure when or where, Eli Tomac was lofted up to some sort of weird, almost God-like status by a seeming majority...

Somewhere along the line, not sure when or where, Eli Tomac was lofted up to some sort of weird, almost God-like status by a seeming majority of supercross fans. In their eyes, he is virtually infallible, and no visual evidence to the contrary can sway them from believing their hearts, rather than their eyes. If Eli wins, then all is well - period. In this particular instance, as they see it, he didn't cross jump, he merely vanquished some decrepit sinners while being up in the heavenly air that perpetually surrounds him, and they're feeling blessed to have witnessed exactly that. And now, they must go, for they must continue working on the ceiling mural of Eli they're creating in the Eli chapel. Work there is not yet completed, and they're feeling stressed, for he could be there to visit them at any minute.

Momus wrote:

Eli was probably moto-canonized in 2015 at Daytona:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pYCDPZyz0w

Silas444 wrote:

Somewhere along the line, not sure when or where, Eli Tomac was lofted up to some sort of weird, almost God-like status by a seeming majority...

Somewhere along the line, not sure when or where, Eli Tomac was lofted up to some sort of weird, almost God-like status by a seeming majority of supercross fans. In their eyes, he is virtually infallible, and no visual evidence to the contrary can sway them from believing their hearts, rather than their eyes. If Eli wins, then all is well - period. In this particular instance, as they see it, he didn't cross jump, he merely vanquished some decrepit sinners while being up in the heavenly air that perpetually surrounds him, and they're feeling blessed to have witnessed exactly that. And now, they must go, for they must continue working on the ceiling mural of Eli they're creating in the Eli chapel. Work there is not yet completed, and they're feeling stressed, for he could be there to visit them at any minute.

Silas444 wrote:

Somewhere along the line, not sure when or where, Eli Tomac was lofted up to some sort of weird, almost God-like status by a seeming majority...

Somewhere along the line, not sure when or where, Eli Tomac was lofted up to some sort of weird, almost God-like status by a seeming majority of supercross fans. In their eyes, he is virtually infallible, and no visual evidence to the contrary can sway them from believing their hearts, rather than their eyes. If Eli wins, then all is well - period. In this particular instance, as they see it, he didn't cross jump, he merely vanquished some decrepit sinners while being up in the heavenly air that perpetually surrounds him, and they're feeling blessed to have witnessed exactly that. And now, they must go, for they must continue working on the ceiling mural of Eli they're creating in the Eli chapel. Work there is not yet completed, and they're feeling stressed, for he could be there to visit them at any minute.

OT wrote:

You guys really are turning into fairies, reading this thread I'd think you are all soccer fans.. they were clean racing moves, nothing meant by Tomac...

You guys really are turning into fairies, reading this thread I'd think you are all soccer fans.. they were clean racing moves, nothing meant by Tomac, yeah he may have been closer than he thought but hey

Thank god you guys were'nt around in the JS7 & Reed days haha

CPR wrote:

I think you'll find most were around in the Stew vs Reed days, however I fail to see how that is even comparable or relevant to...

I think you'll find most were around in the Stew vs Reed days, however I fail to see how that is even comparable or relevant to the discussion here?
You know this is what forums are for, talking and or arguing about points of interest in the sport we all love. Sure there's always a few wayward comments and you won't agree with everyone's point of view, but I thought MOST of the discussion in here was reasonable on both sides of the fence.
But hey go ahead and call us fairies and fucken soccer fans (that was low) if it makes you feel better tough guy. Oh and say hi to your mum for me when she tucks you into bed below your Bob Hannah poster.