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bultokid 2/9/2020 8:01am
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Everyone should just get out the way according to all the Tomac fanginas.......it's freaking SX you poons, enjoy the show it's awesome
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Hasletjoe 2/9/2020 8:03am
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"Bam Bam" started the first two races in charge of the points. He now has "slipped" to fourth. The only question is how many more places will he fall by seasons end. Cianciarulo, Anderson and Baggett are all threats to his season finish. He is no real threat to the top spot. He knows he can not out race them on a consistent basis. While I agree, he held Roczen off last night, look at the standings. The standings tells the real story.
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Black Diesel Bomber 2/9/2020 8:06am
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For everyone not understanding why a lot of us think what Barcia did was stupid (not wrong) please see Cooper Webb’s podium interview:


“I got to the lead early and then Adam made a good, aggressive move to the inside. I just kind of let him go. I knew the track was going to be hard to pass. I knew it was going to be a long Main. I tried to make a pass earlier, but we played a little cat and mouse which kind of allowed Blake to catch up and I didn’t want to do that”

Race Winner: Cooper Webb

If Webb would have instead pulled a Barcia and continued to play cat and mouse, who knows where both him and AC would have finished.

And how many other race winner interviews have you heard the winner say “I just settled in behind him”?

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TbonesPop 2/9/2020 8:10am
2/9/2020 8:10am
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
For everyone not understanding why a lot of us think what Barcia did was stupid (not wrong) please see Cooper Webb’s podium interview: “I got to...
For everyone not understanding why a lot of us think what Barcia did was stupid (not wrong) please see Cooper Webb’s podium interview:


“I got to the lead early and then Adam made a good, aggressive move to the inside. I just kind of let him go. I knew the track was going to be hard to pass. I knew it was going to be a long Main. I tried to make a pass earlier, but we played a little cat and mouse which kind of allowed Blake to catch up and I didn’t want to do that”

Race Winner: Cooper Webb

If Webb would have instead pulled a Barcia and continued to play cat and mouse, who knows where both him and AC would have finished.

And how many other race winner interviews have you heard the winner say “I just settled in behind him”?

Exactly. Its not rocket science. Some people in this thread need to stop playing checkers and start playing chess.
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Racer111 2/9/2020 8:18am
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
For everyone not understanding why a lot of us think what Barcia did was stupid (not wrong) please see Cooper Webb’s podium interview: “I got to...
For everyone not understanding why a lot of us think what Barcia did was stupid (not wrong) please see Cooper Webb’s podium interview:


“I got to the lead early and then Adam made a good, aggressive move to the inside. I just kind of let him go. I knew the track was going to be hard to pass. I knew it was going to be a long Main. I tried to make a pass earlier, but we played a little cat and mouse which kind of allowed Blake to catch up and I didn’t want to do that”

Race Winner: Cooper Webb

If Webb would have instead pulled a Barcia and continued to play cat and mouse, who knows where both him and AC would have finished.

And how many other race winner interviews have you heard the winner say “I just settled in behind him”?

The problem IS, Barcia fans are complete moron’s. He’s been in the class for 8 years and never been close to a championship. Yet they defend his every move and say every year THIS is the year. They see him slipping as he always does and they are frustrated that all the naysayers were correct, yet again.
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2WheelsForTheMasses 2/9/2020 8:24am
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Dumb Dumb is back! What an idiot!
You guys are a bunch of cry babies....I dont like Barcia at all but he did nothing wrong. This is motorcycle racing. Last time I checked he gets paid to win. Not to roll around the track letting anyone roll right bye. He rode great and kept Roczen behind him.
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Get a life
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Get a life
And maybe some therapy? Holy shit some guys are obsessed. Reminds me of junior high when you have a crush on someone but you act like you can't stand them. Really makes you wonder about someone when they are ready to pounce on ANY rider for something they deem unacceptable. Must be the real fans of the sport. 🙄😭
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Wiff3 2/9/2020 8:42am
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Barcia lost his composure. Amateur moves by a professional.
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2WheelsForTheMasses 2/9/2020 8:48am
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deluxeman wrote:
Is Tomac some how entitled to just be able to pass when he comes up behind you. What does he just rev the engine and you...
Is Tomac some how entitled to just be able to pass when he comes up behind you. What does he just rev the engine and you are just supposed to do a Savagty move for him. Bam rode him like he rides everyone, it wasn’t dirty it was a race for position. If Tomac was so damn fast why is he back there with Barcia anyway?
gt80rider wrote:
But... Multiple paint trading while mid pack??? That's the idiot part.... Bam is sad he can't win, goes into cave man mode
Hm? Im pretty sure he has already won this year!!!!

I bet you are a bit of a follower arent you...because nothing valid came out of your post!!
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Racer111 2/9/2020 8:54am
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deluxeman wrote:
Is Tomac some how entitled to just be able to pass when he comes up behind you. What does he just rev the engine and you...
Is Tomac some how entitled to just be able to pass when he comes up behind you. What does he just rev the engine and you are just supposed to do a Savagty move for him. Bam rode him like he rides everyone, it wasn’t dirty it was a race for position. If Tomac was so damn fast why is he back there with Barcia anyway?
gt80rider wrote:
But... Multiple paint trading while mid pack??? That's the idiot part.... Bam is sad he can't win, goes into cave man mode
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
Hm? Im pretty sure he has already won this year!!!! I bet you are a bit of a follower arent you...because nothing valid came out of...
Hm? Im pretty sure he has already won this year!!!!

I bet you are a bit of a follower arent you...because nothing valid came out of your post!!
It was valid. Has Barcia REALLY been near the front since round 2? Everyone else has gotten their bikes dialed and settled in to the season. Now Barcia is doing what he always does. Starts fading. End of story.
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Moto520 2/9/2020 9:11am
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My opinion.....he did great by not letting roczen by. I have personally blocked a guy for 2 laps at the local night track so that i would get 2nd instead of third. Third was paying $70 while second was $90 (100% payout for the vet classes). I wanted my $20 so blocking the guy behind me was my what i had to do. All this for $20
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aeffertz 2/9/2020 9:19am
2/9/2020 9:19am Edited Date/Time 2/9/2020 9:21am
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
For everyone not understanding why a lot of us think what Barcia did was stupid (not wrong) please see Cooper Webb’s podium interview: “I got to...
For everyone not understanding why a lot of us think what Barcia did was stupid (not wrong) please see Cooper Webb’s podium interview:


“I got to the lead early and then Adam made a good, aggressive move to the inside. I just kind of let him go. I knew the track was going to be hard to pass. I knew it was going to be a long Main. I tried to make a pass earlier, but we played a little cat and mouse which kind of allowed Blake to catch up and I didn’t want to do that”

Race Winner: Cooper Webb

If Webb would have instead pulled a Barcia and continued to play cat and mouse, who knows where both him and AC would have finished.

And how many other race winner interviews have you heard the winner say “I just settled in behind him”?

I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. Webb was faster then AC and was being held up, searching for a spot to make the pass and being patient.

Tomac was faster then Barcia and was being held up and forced passes instantly, which allowed Barcia to rebuttal instantly.

I haven’t seen a single comment complaining about AC “racing backwards” and he was brake checking and holding up Webb in numerous spots, taking his line away. Barcia was racing, simple as that. People start to involve their feelings towards a certain rider and change their narrative because they’re angry.
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MOTO1313 2/9/2020 9:24am
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Here's what Barcia is...He is a very fast rider that gets in the way of the top tier riders. He knows Tomac is leagues better than him in every way, but still just has to be a wad and fuck with him.
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TbonesPop 2/9/2020 9:25am
2/9/2020 9:25am
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
For everyone not understanding why a lot of us think what Barcia did was stupid (not wrong) please see Cooper Webb’s podium interview: “I got to...
For everyone not understanding why a lot of us think what Barcia did was stupid (not wrong) please see Cooper Webb’s podium interview:


“I got to the lead early and then Adam made a good, aggressive move to the inside. I just kind of let him go. I knew the track was going to be hard to pass. I knew it was going to be a long Main. I tried to make a pass earlier, but we played a little cat and mouse which kind of allowed Blake to catch up and I didn’t want to do that”

Race Winner: Cooper Webb

If Webb would have instead pulled a Barcia and continued to play cat and mouse, who knows where both him and AC would have finished.

And how many other race winner interviews have you heard the winner say “I just settled in behind him”?

aeffertz wrote:
I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. Webb was faster then AC and was being held up, searching for a spot to make the pass and...
I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. Webb was faster then AC and was being held up, searching for a spot to make the pass and being patient.

Tomac was faster then Barcia and was being held up and forced passes instantly, which allowed Barcia to rebuttal instantly.

I haven’t seen a single comment complaining about AC “racing backwards” and he was brake checking and holding up Webb in numerous spots, taking his line away. Barcia was racing, simple as that. People start to involve their feelings towards a certain rider and change their narrative because they’re angry.
You're missing a key point. Cat and mouse and the end of a race, especially for the win is perfectly fine. Doing that to hold 5th place in the middle of the race, and thus slowing down letting the riders behind you catch up is stupid race craft.

Re-read what Cooper said and think it through. Some riders play Chess and others play checkers.....
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seth505 2/9/2020 9:26am
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Wtf is with some you with your warped view of races. After Barcia ‘held up Tomac’ they spent like 10 minutes + with Tomac 2 seconds ahead of Barcia and Barcia 2 seconds ahead of Roczen.
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aeffertz 2/9/2020 9:37am
2/9/2020 9:37am Edited Date/Time 2/9/2020 9:48am
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You're missing a key point. Cat and mouse and the end of a race, [b]especially for the win[/b] is perfectly fine. Doing that to hold 5th...
You're missing a key point. Cat and mouse and the end of a race, especially for the win is perfectly fine. Doing that to hold 5th place in the middle of the race, and thus slowing down letting the riders behind you catch up is stupid race craft.

Re-read what Cooper said and think it through. Some riders play Chess and others play checkers.....
I disagree that you’re only allowed to battle for your position if you are in first place. Doesn’t matter where you are, you’re trying to finished in the best spot possible.

What I’m saying is, by your logic, the blame is on Tomac not Barcia. The scenarios are very similar.

Webb was faster than AC but was being held up by AC.
Tomac was faster than Barcia, but was being held up by Barcia. Webb played it smarter than Tomac since both AC and Barcia were fending their positions.

Webb said he made a pass on AC and AC made an aggressive pass back for the lead. This is exactly what Barcia did to Tomac, albeit not for the lead. Webb says he then tried to make a pass again but realized it was causing them to do a cat and mouse scenario, allowing Blake to catch up. So instead of forcing the pass again, he settles in behind AC and waited for a better time to make the pass.

Instead of Tomac just letting him go and wait for a better time to pass like Webb did, he forced a pass again and again, which caused the cat and mouse scenario because Barcia was close enough to retaliate the pass. Tomac was being impatient and making passes that weren’t able to stick.
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yz133rider 2/9/2020 9:47am
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aeffertz wrote:
I disagree that you’re only allowed to battle for your position if you are in first place. Doesn’t matter where you are, you’re trying to finished...
I disagree that you’re only allowed to battle for your position if you are in first place. Doesn’t matter where you are, you’re trying to finished in the best spot possible.

What I’m saying is, by your logic, the blame is on Tomac not Barcia. The scenarios are very similar.

Webb was faster than AC but was being held up by AC.
Tomac was faster than Barcia, but was being held up by Barcia. Webb played it smarter than Tomac since both AC and Barcia were fending their positions.

Webb said he made a pass on AC and AC made an aggressive pass back for the lead. This is exactly what Barcia did to Tomac, albeit not for the lead. Webb says he then tried to make a pass again but realized it was causing them to do a cat and mouse scenario, allowing Blake to catch up. So instead of forcing the pass again, he settles in behind AC and waited for a better time to make the pass.

Instead of Tomac just letting him go and wait for a better time to pass like Webb did, he forced a pass again and again, which caused the cat and mouse scenario because Barcia was close enough to retaliate the pass. Tomac was being impatient and making passes that weren’t able to stick.
You're still missing some of the logic. Webb had the luxury of waiting because nobody ahead was getting away. Tomac had to move past the roadblock because otherwise the leaders we're pulling away. He could have made it to the leaders if Barcia hadn't gone full retard. But he went full retard as usual.
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aeffertz 2/9/2020 10:01am
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You're still missing some of the logic. Webb had the luxury of waiting because nobody ahead was getting away. Tomac had to move past the roadblock...
You're still missing some of the logic. Webb had the luxury of waiting because nobody ahead was getting away. Tomac had to move past the roadblock because otherwise the leaders we're pulling away. He could have made it to the leaders if Barcia hadn't gone full retard. But he went full retard as usual.
Yeah, I suppose that is an important difference between the two scenarios. However, you saying Barcia was riding like a retard because he was just trying to fend his position shows your favoritism of one rider over the next.


Tomac should’ve found a better spot to pass that didn’t allow Barcia to pass him back right away, like a cat and mouse game. Tomac and Barcia were very close in speed tonight, so it makes passing harder. I think your logic of ‘you’re only allowed to defend your position if you are in first place’ is flawed. Every point in the championship counts and no one wants to just give up those points without a fight. That’s why it’s called a battle and what makes the races fun to watch!
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Rhody 2/9/2020 10:09am
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Do you think that Barcia really had a chance by playing defense for 12 minutes? He qould have ended up in the dirt and then cried about it. Also, once Tomac lost touch with the leaders, he just took his 4th and moved on. Tomac did not Tomac, he didn't go full afterburner and then wad himself up. He new his race was ruined at that point and he was smart enough not to turn 4th into 14th. Roczen saw that his closest competitor was not going to take away his points lead, he knew that Barcia was racing like a knucklehead, so he didn't push the issue. Barcia had nothing to lose so raced like an ass. And it's not Tomac fanboyism that makes me pick out Barcia as the bad guy in this scenario, its a decade of watching Barcia sacrifice speed to be a dirty rider. He does it even when going forward. I'm surprised he doesn't run into lappers as he passes them.
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bultokid 2/9/2020 10:15am
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Moto520 wrote:
My opinion.....he did great by not letting roczen by. I have personally blocked a guy for 2 laps at the local night track so that i...
My opinion.....he did great by not letting roczen by. I have personally blocked a guy for 2 laps at the local night track so that i would get 2nd instead of third. Third was paying $70 while second was $90 (100% payout for the vet classes). I wanted my $20 so blocking the guy behind me was my what i had to do. All this for $20
Real racer above...not some video gamer
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jorgechavez 2/9/2020 10:41am
2/9/2020 10:41am
MX/SX Fan wrote:
According to Racer X, it was Barcia who approached Tomac and was upset, not Tomac. That changes this whole thread.
Barcia probably wasn’t too pumped on Eli’s pass before the finish. A little odd for him to be upset over aggressive racing but I can understand it. Although I do think it’s funny that apparently Tomac told Barcia he could have hit him harder lol.
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Lukass59 2/9/2020 11:02am
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MX/SX Fan wrote:
According to Racer X, it was Barcia who approached Tomac and was upset, not Tomac. That changes this whole thread.
jorgechavez wrote:
Barcia probably wasn’t too pumped on Eli’s pass before the finish. A little odd for him to be upset over aggressive racing but I can understand...
Barcia probably wasn’t too pumped on Eli’s pass before the finish. A little odd for him to be upset over aggressive racing but I can understand it. Although I do think it’s funny that apparently Tomac told Barcia he could have hit him harder lol.
Barcia always gets upset when someone races him aggressively

Nothing was wrong with His racing I just wish he wasn’t always such a cry baby when someone runs him high.

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Caseclosed713 2/9/2020 11:07am
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I enjoyed it, kept things exciting for a few moments.
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crowe176 wrote:
Barcia was faster than Tomac, so Tomac should have just followed him to the front.
hamncheeze wrote:
I'm out. This argument is pointless.
crowe176 wrote:
That’s probably how Roczen felt lol
This actually might be very true, it was clear to me Roczen was not going to risk Barcia...oh well, always next week!
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Rushton597 2/9/2020 11:57am
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If it's the last lap or two, sure, race Tomac like Barcia did. It wasn't though. Barcia should have accepted the pass and tried to latch...
If it's the last lap or two, sure, race Tomac like Barcia did. It wasn't though. Barcia should have accepted the pass and tried to latch on. Barcia is lucky Roczen didn't get by.
So Barcia should have let the pass happen and lose the position in hopes of gaining it back once Tomac makes another pass? So basically what you're saying is everyone should just let Tomac or whoever is behind them by?
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kiwifan 2/9/2020 12:03pm
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What I am surprised about in regards to Barcia, that his bike did not blow up in the main event, fuck that thing seemed to be on the rev limiter almost constantly (more so than usual)...kudos for his team for building a strong enough motor!
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I've never been a Barcia fan, at all. I saw nothing wrong with the way he raced Tomac for position.
You don't get it then. Stupid and wrong are not the same thing. If you are a contender for a title, you can do neither. There was indeed nothing "wrong" with what Barcia did...but it was stupid. He cost HIMSELF 3-4 seconds of traffic position because his ego got bruised. Wrong? No. Stupid? Yes. This is why Barcia will NEVER get close to a title.
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ATKpilot99 2/9/2020 12:19pm
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hamncheeze wrote:
I'm out. This argument is pointless.
crowe176 wrote:
That’s probably how Roczen felt lol
kiwifan wrote:
This actually might be very true, it was clear to me Roczen was not going to risk Barcia...oh well, always next week!
Why do people always think Roczen just settles for a position when he doesn't win ? He simply didn't have it last night. If he did he passes Barcia. I watched the race today and I honestly don't see what the big deal is. It's not like Barcia put anyone on the ground. Once Tomac passed him the gaps between Tomac , Barcia, and Roczen stayed in the 2 second range. Barcia rode well.
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