Greensboro Jury Awards $15M in Motocross Accident Injury

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12/19/2019 6:03pm
That’s sad. Durhamtown is a massive facility that has brought a countless number of people and families into the world of dirt bikes. If it closes that’s truly a region impacting hit for an activity that’s already fading away.
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Damn, that sucks. Durhamtown was a really cool place. I agree the rider should get some compensation..but $15mil?
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12/19/2019 6:22pm
And how many releases have you signed and you look at the other lines where people signed and it's just a scribble line?
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12/19/2019 6:45pm
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So two things from the article. 1. They claimed the culvert was shielded with tires but the kids GoPro showed it was not. The owner testified...
So two things from the article.

1. They claimed the culvert was shielded with tires but the kids GoPro showed it was not. The owner testified it was but proved wrong in court, not so good.

2. Durhamtown couldn’t produce the kids father’s signed waiver form? What’s up with that?
It sounds to me like they might have won their case or at least had some of their liability reduced if they could have produced that signature. Honestly thought, how many signatures can you read on a sign in sheet? I hope they were not self insured.
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12/19/2019 6:47pm Edited Date/Time 12/19/2019 6:49pm
zippytech wrote:
And how many releases have you signed and you look at the other lines where people signed and it's just a scribble line?
That's not what I'm talking about.
Besides that release, we make every rider fill out a complete release form, Name, Address, print and sign etc. The minor release has 2 sides and 2 places for the parent to sign.

Takes a little extra time, but to us it's worth it.
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Nighttrain wrote:
That’s sad. Durhamtown is a massive facility that has brought a countless number of people and families into the world of dirt bikes. If it closes...
That’s sad. Durhamtown is a massive facility that has brought a countless number of people and families into the world of dirt bikes. If it closes that’s truly a region impacting hit for an activity that’s already fading away.
So this helps some of you guys understand what this place really is. It’s not just 1 MX track, it’s about 10 plus lots of off road riding, hunting, sxs, jeeps, cabins, rentals etc... On like 5,000 acres.

I’m sorry for the kid that got hurt but $15M is nuts.

I really hope the place doesn’t close down as a result.
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Seems to me like someone didn't do their job, had they viewed the Go-Pro and saw there was no hay bales or tires and knew the Owner or whom ever tried to cover it up they would have been quick to at least try and settle.

What they did trying to save their ass is really bad, I'm surprised people are less outraged about that then they were the POS CR250 that Tbteam got worked over on.
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zippytech wrote:
And how many releases have you signed and you look at the other lines where people signed and it's just a scribble line?
Indy mxer wrote:
That's not what I'm talking about. Besides that release, we make every rider fill out a complete release form, Name, Address, print and sign etc. The...
That's not what I'm talking about.
Besides that release, we make every rider fill out a complete release form, Name, Address, print and sign etc. The minor release has 2 sides and 2 places for the parent to sign.

Takes a little extra time, but to us it's worth it.
So let say I have a track. What if some one sneaks in , just to ride for free, we have heard plenty of stories if this happening with other riders. crashes and gets fucked up. Can they get money because we don't have the name on file or one we can read?
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12/20/2019 3:33am
zippytech wrote:
And how many releases have you signed and you look at the other lines where people signed and it's just a scribble line?
Indy mxer wrote:
That's not what I'm talking about. Besides that release, we make every rider fill out a complete release form, Name, Address, print and sign etc. The...
That's not what I'm talking about.
Besides that release, we make every rider fill out a complete release form, Name, Address, print and sign etc. The minor release has 2 sides and 2 places for the parent to sign.

Takes a little extra time, but to us it's worth it.
zippytech wrote:
So let say I have a track. What if some one sneaks in , just to ride for free, we have heard plenty of stories if...
So let say I have a track. What if some one sneaks in , just to ride for free, we have heard plenty of stories if this happening with other riders. crashes and gets fucked up. Can they get money because we don't have the name on file or one we can read?
That's a whole other issue. Honestly, I'm not sure on that. Actually they're trespassing at that point, but not sure how a court would look at that.
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12/20/2019 4:06am
zippytech wrote:
And how many releases have you signed and you look at the other lines where people signed and it's just a scribble line?
Indy mxer wrote:
That's not what I'm talking about. Besides that release, we make every rider fill out a complete release form, Name, Address, print and sign etc. The...
That's not what I'm talking about.
Besides that release, we make every rider fill out a complete release form, Name, Address, print and sign etc. The minor release has 2 sides and 2 places for the parent to sign.

Takes a little extra time, but to us it's worth it.
zippytech wrote:
So let say I have a track. What if some one sneaks in , just to ride for free, we have heard plenty of stories if...
So let say I have a track. What if some one sneaks in , just to ride for free, we have heard plenty of stories if this happening with other riders. crashes and gets fucked up. Can they get money because we don't have the name on file or one we can read?
Every state has different laws on trespassing.

Unless you use stickers, armbands, or some other way and a lot of staff it would be really difficult, especially at a sprawling facility like durhamtown, to control someone showing up in an enclosed vehicle and hopping on a bike, atv, or utv and riding.

And due diligence with releases makes a difference.

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dkg wrote:
Good lesson on many things not to do if you’re a defendant. Result would probably have been a lot less if they didn’t try to hide...
Good lesson on many things not to do if you’re a defendant. Result would probably have been a lot less if they didn’t try to hide it and then lie about it.
yeah i think the lie is what really nailed the track owners. The lawyer letting them continue to talk and dig his own grave was a pretty big hit to the tracks argument. I hate seeing this on every end, for the young man and the track owners. We all love to ride and want our local facilities to stay open. This is a terrible example of why new tracks do not open.
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dkg wrote:
Good lesson on many things not to do if you’re a defendant. Result would probably have been a lot less if they didn’t try to hide...
Good lesson on many things not to do if you’re a defendant. Result would probably have been a lot less if they didn’t try to hide it and then lie about it.
yeah i think the lie is what really nailed the track owners. The lawyer letting them continue to talk and dig his own grave was a...
yeah i think the lie is what really nailed the track owners. The lawyer letting them continue to talk and dig his own grave was a pretty big hit to the tracks argument. I hate seeing this on every end, for the young man and the track owners. We all love to ride and want our local facilities to stay open. This is a terrible example of why new tracks do not open.
I would have no idea what kind of liability insurance limit they would have on a place that size but wonder if the insurance company will now pay out zero because of the cover up?
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12/20/2019 6:13am
Was the waiver signature lost, or was the waiver never signed?
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12/20/2019 6:29am
A lot of us are putting ourselves in the track owners shoes, but imagine if that was your kid that had 7 surgery’s and will never be the same due to the track owner not mitigating a simple hazard. Dirt bikes are dangerous and we all accept that, but it doesn’t mean a track owner can just have additional hazards waiting for us.
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The biggest issue I have with this is they tried to cover it up. I think it would have been better to admit fault and work to fix the problem.

To the rider - don't be a squid and stay on the track and you don't have this problem. Suing for $15 mil is crazy.
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12/20/2019 6:43am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2019 6:44am
CG118 wrote:
Was the waiver signature lost, or was the waiver never signed?
Waivers don't mean squat most of the time. I am looking to buy my own land and I am trying to work on an iron clad waiver for family and friends to sign just so I dont lose the property over a stupid incident. You can try your hardest, but you will never have an iron clad waiver. I do have some interesting wording that I think will go a long way to help me out from avoiding a lawsuit.


Once again, the owner/track workers actions of trying to cover it up are the worst thing about this situation. Makes them look worse than fessing up.
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mx 219 wrote:
The biggest issue I have with this is they tried to cover it up. I think it would have been better to admit fault and work...
The biggest issue I have with this is they tried to cover it up. I think it would have been better to admit fault and work to fix the problem.

To the rider - don't be a squid and stay on the track and you don't have this problem. Suing for $15 mil is crazy.
Exactly he ran off that track! Yea they should not have lied, but they also should not have been in court to begin with.

I have raced all kind of national tracks that has all kinds of stuff to hit if you run off the track you just have to ride accordingly.
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Indy mxer wrote:
That's not what I'm talking about. Besides that release, we make every rider fill out a complete release form, Name, Address, print and sign etc. The...
That's not what I'm talking about.
Besides that release, we make every rider fill out a complete release form, Name, Address, print and sign etc. The minor release has 2 sides and 2 places for the parent to sign.

Takes a little extra time, but to us it's worth it.
I noticed Southfork in KY does something similar. Need to list bike #, size and make as well. Takes maybe a minute longer to complete but now I see why. Now he has the info and your signature and not just some scribble on a paper with 50 others
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12/20/2019 8:21am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2019 8:23am
Lots of stuff to think about in here.

First, if they lied, that's horrible. But... do we know that the culvert hadn't been covered at some point, and someone removed it (" here's a tire/haybale I can sit on to watch the race" ) and then it was replaced in good faith afterward, to keep someone else safe? And the person who testified may not have known any of that. Just a guess, but possible.

Secondly, the track that was mentioned with the restrictive fencing. I would bet money that the fencing was mandated by insurance to keep spectators off the track. Back in the "good old days", people were smart enough to wander around the track and not get in the way. It's called personal responsibility!!

Third, the dude who was on a skid steer on the track while riders were out there needs punched in the throat. That's gross negligence. And gross negligence SHOULD be the only reason to justifiably sue anyone in these types of situations.

Also, if there was no signed waiver, he shouldn't have been riding. I wonder if the father admitted to signing a waiver?
If not, they were not following the rules and shouldn't have been on the track.

I'm not even close enough in book smarts to be a lawyer, but this kind of stuff should be common sense and common decency. If you go to someone else's property to engage in a dangerous activity for your own enjoyment, then barring gross negligence, you should be responsible for your own actions.

Anything besides personal responsibility is killing our sport and should not be tolerated. Mitigating your own risk ( or those of minors in you care) in life should be your own responsibility.

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12/20/2019 8:25am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2019 8:30am
Motocross legalalities are as stupid as it comes. We are riding dirt bikes not working in a factory. Can I sue God if I hit a tree when out for a trail ride? The culvert was there before the bike was started up for a ride and he goes off track and hits it, did he walk the track and inform them of the hazard before riding into it? This likens itself to a burglar injuring himself and sueing the home owner .This is just parents abusing society.
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America these days "I can do what ever I want and you can't stop me it's my right!" also America "How could you have let that happen to me ?Your responsible for what I did. I'm gonna sue because someone else should have to pay." Geez....
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12/20/2019 8:46am
Track owners are liable but 14 million is insane
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It is always someone else's fault. What a joke
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Here's maybe a way to understand assumption of risk in motocross (note that assumption of risk and comparative negligence rules vary state by state).

Natural features of a motocross or off road track produce risks of injury may be assumed by the participant who elects to participate (at least in some states).

Man-made features and improvements will always implicate a duty of care by the person who makes and maintains the improvements so as not to increase the natural risk of the sport. In this case, the exposed culvert is not a natural risk of motocross.

Look around your track and note things that in your opinion should be changed for safety reasons; every one of those is a potential breach of the duty of care and can be argued as such as a basis of liability. Rather than argue with that reality, recognize it and address those controllable issues.

Some states (California for example) will allow releases (release = contractual assumption of risk, not assumption of risk as a matter of law) to waive rights to recover for injuries from natural conditions and also the simple negligence of the track owner, including negligence in any emergency rescue or treatment. This often is omitted from releases (and would in states where negligence cannot be waived).

The other thing to note is that juries have a lot to digest during trial, often confusing, and decisions sometimes come from clues the various witnesses give, and sometimes sheer likability of witnesses or experts. Testifying that you did X when a video shows up later that you hadn't is a pretty strong driver of jury reaction. I don't think the evidence that they moved tires to cover the culvert would have been admitted otherwise, but they opened the door by claiming that it was covered before the accident. I doubt the defense ever recovered.
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"Natural features of a motocross or off road track produce risks of injury may be assumed by the participant who elects to participate (at least in some states). Man-made features and improvements will always implicate a duty of care by the person who makes and maintains the improvements so as not to increase the natural risk of the sport."

Using this logic, it appears that the most conservative course of action from a track owner's perspective would be to do exactly what Unadilla did in the '70's.- have a 100% natural track using only naturally occurring elevation changes. Never bulldoze the track (man made feature), never add any jumps (man made feature), never water the track (man made feature which might add mud (slippery hazard). Just do what Unadilla did- let the natural track form in by itself, and between races just plant grass. No other maintenance allowed-ever.
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Waivers don't mean squat most of the time. I am looking to buy my own land and I am trying to work on an iron clad...
Waivers don't mean squat most of the time. I am looking to buy my own land and I am trying to work on an iron clad waiver for family and friends to sign just so I dont lose the property over a stupid incident. You can try your hardest, but you will never have an iron clad waiver. I do have some interesting wording that I think will go a long way to help me out from avoiding a lawsuit.


Once again, the owner/track workers actions of trying to cover it up are the worst thing about this situation. Makes them look worse than fessing up.
Very true. When I was racing bicycles we used to sign waivers at every sign-on. One of my friends who is a lawyer would inevitably say "this waiver isn't worth the paper it's printed on" as he dutifully signed it so he could race.
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Here's maybe a way to understand assumption of risk in motocross (note that assumption of risk and comparative negligence rules vary state by state). Natural features...
Here's maybe a way to understand assumption of risk in motocross (note that assumption of risk and comparative negligence rules vary state by state).

Natural features of a motocross or off road track produce risks of injury may be assumed by the participant who elects to participate (at least in some states).

Man-made features and improvements will always implicate a duty of care by the person who makes and maintains the improvements so as not to increase the natural risk of the sport. In this case, the exposed culvert is not a natural risk of motocross.

Look around your track and note things that in your opinion should be changed for safety reasons; every one of those is a potential breach of the duty of care and can be argued as such as a basis of liability. Rather than argue with that reality, recognize it and address those controllable issues.

Some states (California for example) will allow releases (release = contractual assumption of risk, not assumption of risk as a matter of law) to waive rights to recover for injuries from natural conditions and also the simple negligence of the track owner, including negligence in any emergency rescue or treatment. This often is omitted from releases (and would in states where negligence cannot be waived).

The other thing to note is that juries have a lot to digest during trial, often confusing, and decisions sometimes come from clues the various witnesses give, and sometimes sheer likability of witnesses or experts. Testifying that you did X when a video shows up later that you hadn't is a pretty strong driver of jury reaction. I don't think the evidence that they moved tires to cover the culvert would have been admitted otherwise, but they opened the door by claiming that it was covered before the accident. I doubt the defense ever recovered.
Remember the audience you are speaking to here. Vital MX: Where facts are either not understood or just totally ignored all-together.
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12/20/2019 10:37am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2019 10:38am
mx 219 wrote:
The biggest issue I have with this is they tried to cover it up. I think it would have been better to admit fault and work...
The biggest issue I have with this is they tried to cover it up. I think it would have been better to admit fault and work to fix the problem.

To the rider - don't be a squid and stay on the track and you don't have this problem. Suing for $15 mil is crazy.
zippytech wrote:
Exactly he ran off that track! Yea they should not have lied, but they also should not have been in court to begin with. I have...
Exactly he ran off that track! Yea they should not have lied, but they also should not have been in court to begin with.

I have raced all kind of national tracks that has all kinds of stuff to hit if you run off the track you just have to ride accordingly.
But this is exactly the argument...the risk of losing control and running off the track is inherent in the sport, and given that it is foreseeable, if not expected, track owners have to assume that it will happen and mitigate any unreasonable hazards reasonably close to the track that exacerbate the risk to the rider. Especially is that hazard is a man made improvement or feature (or heavy equipment).

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im not sure i agree. If i run off the track and hit something thats my problem. If someone hits a dangerous object wouldnt the first thing you do is put some sort of protection over it for the safety of others?
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