Privateer life... unbelievable

Jeff_Crutcher wrote:

I wonder if anyone has ever talked about this on here before.

Bruce372 wrote:

So are the people saying riders should make more and form unions, the same people that wouldn't vote for Bernie because he was people paid more...

So are the people saying riders should make more and form unions, the same people that wouldn't vote for Bernie because he was people paid more and in unions?

Rhody wrote:

Find a promoter to start a competing national series. It worked for sprint cars. Full time teams get tow money and making the main pays 800...

Find a promoter to start a competing national series. It worked for sprint cars. Full time teams get tow money and making the main pays 800 to start. Expenses are outrageous with 60,000 dollar engines, but attendance per night is probably lower for the Outlaws, I think the average race has about 5k attendance .

mxpro252 wrote:

Let me know what a guy makes that finishes 20th in a professional bowling event...

Titan1 wrote:

How much does the beat bowler in the world make? Are bowling comps live on TV?

I think moto is a little bigger than bowling.

dadofagun wrote:

This sport could give 2 shits for the little guy who scrapes by..... Just keep that entry fee, parking fee, pit ride fee, spare car fee...

This sport could give 2 shits for the little guy who scrapes by..... Just keep that entry fee, parking fee, pit ride fee, spare car fee, electrical fee, water fee, gate fee, license fee, and whatever else they can dream up fee coming so that we can provide you THE ULTIMATE PLATFORM to present your amazing skills to future sponsors. WE ARE HERE FOR YOU!!!!!! Sure......

Kiss my ass......

brocster wrote:

Yeah, screw the feeder system, (apprenticeship = privateers). Lets keep heading down the road of pushing them out and filling the handful of factory and satellite...

Yeah, screw the feeder system, (apprenticeship = privateers). Lets keep heading down the road of pushing them out and filling the handful of factory and satellite seats, scaling everything down, factory/semi factory bikes available, gate spots, race day schedule etc. etc. and bring in what 2 full time rookies out of Lorrettas every year. Yeah sounds like the perfect plan for gwoth, growth in all regards. All the tough guys that say “just get faster”. the dude did, he came off the couch and finished 20th on a shit bike, per say. Where else are “faster” guys going to come from to fill the gate at the pinnacle of our sport and get burger money as a reward. “It’s always been that way” so fooking what, lets keep it that way while the rest of the world leaves us behind because our macho ego’s still hang on to “what I was”... get outta here with choose another profession if you want more money etc. if there is no one taking the chances at making it we don’t have a sport to watch.

Tarz483 wrote:

I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt...

I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt that , but you take the better riders and put them in faster better handling bikes , and that's the result you get , it's like 2 separate races and A and a B race on the track at the same time

lostboy819 wrote:

It ain't the bike holding them back. You could put everyone on the same exact bike and the results would still be the same.

brocster wrote:

Yeah, screw the feeder system, (apprenticeship = privateers). Lets keep heading down the road of pushing them out and filling the handful of factory and satellite...

Yeah, screw the feeder system, (apprenticeship = privateers). Lets keep heading down the road of pushing them out and filling the handful of factory and satellite seats, scaling everything down, factory/semi factory bikes available, gate spots, race day schedule etc. etc. and bring in what 2 full time rookies out of Lorrettas every year. Yeah sounds like the perfect plan for gwoth, growth in all regards. All the tough guys that say “just get faster”. the dude did, he came off the couch and finished 20th on a shit bike, per say. Where else are “faster” guys going to come from to fill the gate at the pinnacle of our sport and get burger money as a reward. “It’s always been that way” so fooking what, lets keep it that way while the rest of the world leaves us behind because our macho ego’s still hang on to “what I was”... get outta here with choose another profession if you want more money etc. if there is no one taking the chances at making it we don’t have a sport to watch.

mxb2 wrote:

So what is stopping you or any privateers from improving the system?

brocster wrote:

Yeah, screw the feeder system, (apprenticeship = privateers). Lets keep heading down the road of pushing them out and filling the handful of factory and satellite...

Yeah, screw the feeder system, (apprenticeship = privateers). Lets keep heading down the road of pushing them out and filling the handful of factory and satellite seats, scaling everything down, factory/semi factory bikes available, gate spots, race day schedule etc. etc. and bring in what 2 full time rookies out of Lorrettas every year. Yeah sounds like the perfect plan for gwoth, growth in all regards. All the tough guys that say “just get faster”. the dude did, he came off the couch and finished 20th on a shit bike, per say. Where else are “faster” guys going to come from to fill the gate at the pinnacle of our sport and get burger money as a reward. “It’s always been that way” so fooking what, lets keep it that way while the rest of the world leaves us behind because our macho ego’s still hang on to “what I was”... get outta here with choose another profession if you want more money etc. if there is no one taking the chances at making it we don’t have a sport to watch.

mxb2 wrote:

So what is stopping you or any privateers from improving the system?

brocster wrote:

Too many egotistical people and people living in the past not supporting the possibility of making things better... Ticket prices, beer prices, hot dog prices etc...

Too many egotistical people and people living in the past not supporting the possibility of making things better...

Ticket prices, beer prices, hot dog prices etc. don’t need to increase to pay riders more. Trim the fat at the top and free up some money. Too much money being spent on “the show” but without privateers/riders there is no show. Do we need fire, pyro, a dude screaming in the mike, a starter for the starter, a makeup guy and on and on...that’s where the money goes, it goes to bullshit and not the guys that make the show last more than a few minutes.

It sucks but the ama was smart enough to include a clause in the rules that forbid “organization” of any kind to comtest the rules this allowing them to strong arm the riders into doing and receiving what the status quo is if they want to be a “pro” or part of the show.

Unfortunately, it will take the sport to fall on its face for things to change and it seems that there are quite a few that are ok with that....

Carry on

mxb2 wrote:

So what is stopping you or any privateers from improving the system?

brocster wrote:

Too many egotistical people and people living in the past not supporting the possibility of making things better... Ticket prices, beer prices, hot dog prices etc...

Too many egotistical people and people living in the past not supporting the possibility of making things better...

Ticket prices, beer prices, hot dog prices etc. don’t need to increase to pay riders more. Trim the fat at the top and free up some money. Too much money being spent on “the show” but without privateers/riders there is no show. Do we need fire, pyro, a dude screaming in the mike, a starter for the starter, a makeup guy and on and on...that’s where the money goes, it goes to bullshit and not the guys that make the show last more than a few minutes.

It sucks but the ama was smart enough to include a clause in the rules that forbid “organization” of any kind to comtest the rules this allowing them to strong arm the riders into doing and receiving what the status quo is if they want to be a “pro” or part of the show.

Unfortunately, it will take the sport to fall on its face for things to change and it seems that there are quite a few that are ok with that....

Carry on

mxb2 wrote:

Agreed on alot of points. Privateers need to understand also that people working 50-60 hrs a week arent going to donate to them living the dream...

Agreed on alot of points. Privateers need to understand also that people working 50-60 hrs a week arent going to donate to them living the dream. Nobody racing dirt bikes is broke , or struggling by any means. I see alot of privateers driving lifted trucks, spending $$ they could use to race. Then go on social media for a gofund me. Gtfoh with that. And believe it ir not, fans come to see the best riders on factory bikes.

brocster wrote:

Too many egotistical people and people living in the past not supporting the possibility of making things better... Ticket prices, beer prices, hot dog prices etc...

Too many egotistical people and people living in the past not supporting the possibility of making things better...

Ticket prices, beer prices, hot dog prices etc. don’t need to increase to pay riders more. Trim the fat at the top and free up some money. Too much money being spent on “the show” but without privateers/riders there is no show. Do we need fire, pyro, a dude screaming in the mike, a starter for the starter, a makeup guy and on and on...that’s where the money goes, it goes to bullshit and not the guys that make the show last more than a few minutes.

It sucks but the ama was smart enough to include a clause in the rules that forbid “organization” of any kind to comtest the rules this allowing them to strong arm the riders into doing and receiving what the status quo is if they want to be a “pro” or part of the show.

Unfortunately, it will take the sport to fall on its face for things to change and it seems that there are quite a few that are ok with that....

Carry on

mxb2 wrote:

Agreed on alot of points. Privateers need to understand also that people working 50-60 hrs a week arent going to donate to them living the dream...

Agreed on alot of points. Privateers need to understand also that people working 50-60 hrs a week arent going to donate to them living the dream. Nobody racing dirt bikes is broke , or struggling by any means. I see alot of privateers driving lifted trucks, spending $$ they could use to race. Then go on social media for a gofund me. Gtfoh with that. And believe it ir not, fans come to see the best riders on factory bikes.

brocster wrote:

seems like you are making a lot of assumptions based on a case or two in your area, Having a lifted truck doesn’t mean you have...

seems like you are making a lot of assumptions based on a case or two in your area, Having a lifted truck doesn’t mean you have money to burn. Did he buy it lifted, lift himself, does it have a bazillion miles, how did he get it? Thats it, its not living the dream, that saying is a farse, the dude that can top 20 at the highest level isn’t “living the dream” on a roof with a rope tied around his waist. He shouldn’t need a go fund me when he is what people are going to see, a full day of racing, practicing, qualifying etc. The sport dies when it becomes the elite 15 on the track trying to stretch it to make a full day show so fans will feel like they got their money’s worth for the $60 ticket, $6.00 hot dog and $12 beer. As of today, privateers are part of the show and should be compensated accordingly. Do I believe a privateer should be able to jet set around, no, but he should be able to get from race to race somewhat comfortably and not rely on van life and bed sharing.

Should all privateers be allowed out there, hell no. This is where I can see some work needing to be done, some sort of work to bring the lap times closer or qualifying times should I say. The starting gate shouldn’t be full at 40 bikes unless every riders qualifying time was within a minute or so of the top qualifying time. If it ends up being 35 one week, 30 the next and 39 the following so be it. We have way to many guys getting lapped 10 minutes in, guys getting in by default (only 40 signed up) and being 4 and 5 seconds off the pace. I agree, these are not who people came to see, but a guy that came off the couch and finished 20th deserves better. Plain and simple

chippo wrote:

Maybe he enjoys his day job and makes a good living off it? How do you know that he isn't happy and content with doing what...

Maybe he enjoys his day job and makes a good living off it? How do you know that he isn't happy and content with doing what he's doing?

mxb2 wrote:

Agreed on alot of points. Privateers need to understand also that people working 50-60 hrs a week arent going to donate to them living the dream...

Agreed on alot of points. Privateers need to understand also that people working 50-60 hrs a week arent going to donate to them living the dream. Nobody racing dirt bikes is broke , or struggling by any means. I see alot of privateers driving lifted trucks, spending $$ they could use to race. Then go on social media for a gofund me. Gtfoh with that. And believe it ir not, fans come to see the best riders on factory bikes.

brocster wrote:

seems like you are making a lot of assumptions based on a case or two in your area, Having a lifted truck doesn’t mean you have...

seems like you are making a lot of assumptions based on a case or two in your area, Having a lifted truck doesn’t mean you have money to burn. Did he buy it lifted, lift himself, does it have a bazillion miles, how did he get it? Thats it, its not living the dream, that saying is a farse, the dude that can top 20 at the highest level isn’t “living the dream” on a roof with a rope tied around his waist. He shouldn’t need a go fund me when he is what people are going to see, a full day of racing, practicing, qualifying etc. The sport dies when it becomes the elite 15 on the track trying to stretch it to make a full day show so fans will feel like they got their money’s worth for the $60 ticket, $6.00 hot dog and $12 beer. As of today, privateers are part of the show and should be compensated accordingly. Do I believe a privateer should be able to jet set around, no, but he should be able to get from race to race somewhat comfortably and not rely on van life and bed sharing.

Should all privateers be allowed out there, hell no. This is where I can see some work needing to be done, some sort of work to bring the lap times closer or qualifying times should I say. The starting gate shouldn’t be full at 40 bikes unless every riders qualifying time was within a minute or so of the top qualifying time. If it ends up being 35 one week, 30 the next and 39 the following so be it. We have way to many guys getting lapped 10 minutes in, guys getting in by default (only 40 signed up) and being 4 and 5 seconds off the pace. I agree, these are not who people came to see, but a guy that came off the couch and finished 20th deserves better. Plain and simple

mxb2 wrote:

Well.when they post on social media new wheels, hawaii vacation.etc then trying to borrow bikes, Driving around the country not working . They. arent struggling. And...

Well.when they post on social media new wheels, hawaii vacation.etc then trying to borrow bikes, Driving around the country not working . They. arent struggling. And fuck no on the gofundme.

mxpro252 wrote:

Let me know what a guy makes that finishes 20th in a professional bowling event...

Titan1 wrote:

How much does the beat bowler in the world make? Are bowling comps live on TV?

I think moto is a little bigger than bowling.

chippo wrote:

Maybe he enjoys his day job and makes a good living off it? How do you know that he isn't happy and content with doing what...

Maybe he enjoys his day job and makes a good living off it? How do you know that he isn't happy and content with doing what he's doing?

zehn wrote:

Definitely need to consider this as well. Believe it or not but not every rider out there wants the pressure/stress/anxiety of a factory ride and paycheck...

Definitely need to consider this as well. Believe it or not but not every rider out there wants the pressure/stress/anxiety of a factory ride and paycheck. Yeah the $$$ is nice but it's entirely possible that dudes just want to ride their dirtbikes fast but also have a legit 9-5.

brocster wrote:

seems like you are making a lot of assumptions based on a case or two in your area, Having a lifted truck doesn’t mean you have...

seems like you are making a lot of assumptions based on a case or two in your area, Having a lifted truck doesn’t mean you have money to burn. Did he buy it lifted, lift himself, does it have a bazillion miles, how did he get it? Thats it, its not living the dream, that saying is a farse, the dude that can top 20 at the highest level isn’t “living the dream” on a roof with a rope tied around his waist. He shouldn’t need a go fund me when he is what people are going to see, a full day of racing, practicing, qualifying etc. The sport dies when it becomes the elite 15 on the track trying to stretch it to make a full day show so fans will feel like they got their money’s worth for the $60 ticket, $6.00 hot dog and $12 beer. As of today, privateers are part of the show and should be compensated accordingly. Do I believe a privateer should be able to jet set around, no, but he should be able to get from race to race somewhat comfortably and not rely on van life and bed sharing.

Should all privateers be allowed out there, hell no. This is where I can see some work needing to be done, some sort of work to bring the lap times closer or qualifying times should I say. The starting gate shouldn’t be full at 40 bikes unless every riders qualifying time was within a minute or so of the top qualifying time. If it ends up being 35 one week, 30 the next and 39 the following so be it. We have way to many guys getting lapped 10 minutes in, guys getting in by default (only 40 signed up) and being 4 and 5 seconds off the pace. I agree, these are not who people came to see, but a guy that came off the couch and finished 20th deserves better. Plain and simple

mxb2 wrote:

Well.when they post on social media new wheels, hawaii vacation.etc then trying to borrow bikes, Driving around the country not working . They. arent struggling. And...

Well.when they post on social media new wheels, hawaii vacation.etc then trying to borrow bikes, Driving around the country not working . They. arent struggling. And fuck no on the gofundme.

brocster wrote:

Don’t know where the gofundme comes from, I never ever mentioned that. However, It must also be considered that he wants to be on a roof...

Don’t know where the gofundme comes from, I never ever mentioned that. However, It must also be considered that he wants to be on a roof in the heat tied with a rope but I would think that he may rather be racing his dirtbike considering he tried out for the racetrack supercross gig a year or so ago, but a lot changes in a year.

Titan1 wrote:

Looks like bowling is bigger than Moto/SX...and that’s crazy. Maybe the culprit is that the racing just isn’t that good and so it’s boring to watch...

Looks like bowling is bigger than Moto/SX...and that’s crazy.

Maybe the culprit is that the racing just isn’t that good and so it’s boring to watch for anyone that doesn’t participate?

We get two guys side by side for a few corners and we can’t stop talking about how great the race was. A couple passes for the lead and it’s the best race of the year. When auto racing has 10 guys bunched up battling for the lead.

Compared to other forms of racing...maybe moto is boring and that’s why nobody outside of participants watch it?

KennyT wrote:

Sorry I just don’t have a bit of sympathy for the guy. They aren’t being forced to have the opportunity to line up on the same...

Sorry I just don’t have a bit of sympathy for the guy. They aren’t being forced to have the opportunity to line up on the same gate as the best riders n the world. 20th place privateers can’t hang with the leaders for 2 corners and within 15 minutes they are being lapped. Fans don’t pay $$$ to watch privateers. There would be zero TV coverage if it was only the privateers. Are they extremely talented riders? Of course they are. But they need to understand they are not going to make a good living with the talent they have. If they aren’t happy about the situation then stay closer to home and make decent spending money at local pro races. If it was me I would be thrilled to be able to race in front of 20,000 fans. But I’d also understand why I needed to go to a real job on Monday. There will never be big purses/dollars for these guys, never has been that way and it’s not going to change

PTECH wrote:

I gotta say I agree with this. Its probably going to rub a lot of people the wrong way but IMO the privateers don't bring a...

I gotta say I agree with this. Its probably going to rub a lot of people the wrong way but IMO the privateers don't bring a single thing to professional racing for me as a spectator. Anyone that can qualify for a national or a sx night show has ten times the talent I have on a bike but when I'm watching a race, privateers are speed bumps, they're moving obstacles for the top guys. Not sure what these guys are worth to the show when they're just riding around getting blue flags waved at them after a few laps? Blame it on whatever you want but they're just not on the level of the top guys.

Tarz483 wrote:

I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt...

I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt that , but you take the better riders and put them in faster better handling bikes , and that's the result you get , it's like 2 separate races and A and a B race on the track at the same time