Can I be competitive?

duckdog77
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6/19/2019 8:07am
I got lapped by a 230lb 60 year old Sunday. It’s my first year for harescrambles. Racing 250c and I’ll work my way up. Started the season 6/7, 15/16, this weekend I took 1st out of 3.

Honestly I’m noticing we are all just stoked to finish the races. 1-2 hour motos are no joke. You’ll be proud just to finish whether it’s first or last. This weekend was a mud fest. People were dropping like flies I just kept pushing and didn’t know I could even take my body there. Very rewarding at the end even before I knew I got 1st.

Set your bike up correct for your weight and riding style get in the gym (I couldnt do these races with out being in the gym 2-4 times a week) and have fun! I’m meeting a lot of cool people!
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6/19/2019 8:16am
"Competitive" can mean many things. I took up motocross racing locally at age 45 after not riding since I was a teenager. I'm not in stellar shape (5'9" and 225lbs). I'm not competing for wins. However, I do have a few guys who at similar to my speed, and we have fun competing with each other. There is one guy who for the last three weeks has finished one spot ahead of me in moto 1 and I've finished 1 spot ahead of him in moto 2. Regardless of what else is going on, we have a great time trying to beat each other. Go and have fun. You'll make some new friends and wish you'd started sooner!
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6/19/2019 8:19am
1. Yes
2. Just have fun
3. If you do plan to lose weight, make sure you do your suspension to that target weight. Maybe even wait until you get to that target so you can better feel it as it should be.
4. Keep up with suspension settings as your weight fluctuates, which it likely will (no offense)
5. Have fun
6. Lastly, have fun
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6/19/2019 8:26am
"Competitive" is relative, as others have said.

First race: Just take it easy, have fun, don't crash and finish. Get an idea of what it's
all about and gauge your speed and fitness. Don't put any pressure on yourself. Go from there.
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6/19/2019 10:31am
The last enduro I raced was won by a guy who lost 100 lbs from riding enduro.
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AJ565
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6/19/2019 10:33am
Premix wrote:
Grant Baylor weighs more than you and handles people regularly in the premier off road events. However he is on a 450. Use it as motivation...
Grant Baylor weighs more than you and handles people regularly in the premier off road events. However he is on a 450. Use it as motivation to lose a few lbs.
Thanks! I am doing the whole meal prep thing and exercising as regularly as possible with my travel schedule for work. I appreciate the help and...
Thanks! I am doing the whole meal prep thing and exercising as regularly as possible with my travel schedule for work. I appreciate the help and encouragement!
Hotels have gyms. It’s all about how motivated you are is the biggest key.
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duckdog77
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6/19/2019 10:34am
spimx wrote:
The last enduro I raced was won by a guy who lost 100 lbs from riding enduro.
Cheers to that man!!
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6/19/2019 10:37am
That's my size and several years ago I lost the spring series by a couple points in C class. Hardcore trail dudes are weird. Often in their 40's 50's and fat, yet they put in 60 miles before noon. If you don't do well, speed-wise, it'll be more because of skill than gut. If you run out of steam, just go ride trails at a decent pace for 3hrs straight twice a week and you'll be good to go in two months.
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6/19/2019 10:42am
byke wrote:
That's my size and several years ago I lost the spring series by a couple points in C class. Hardcore trail dudes are weird. Often in...
That's my size and several years ago I lost the spring series by a couple points in C class. Hardcore trail dudes are weird. Often in their 40's 50's and fat, yet they put in 60 miles before noon. If you don't do well, speed-wise, it'll be more because of skill than gut. If you run out of steam, just go ride trails at a decent pace for 3hrs straight twice a week and you'll be good to go in two months.
Quoted for truth. My local hare scramble series has several overweight 40+ guys who regularly top 10 the Pro/A class and are still flying in the final laps of a race.
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6/19/2019 10:45am
keep it on 2 wheels AND finishing the race are big steps in the right direction.

Learn how to pace yourself for the entire race...a lot of amateur HS riders blow their wad in the first 20-30 mins then hit the wall.

Find the smooth lines and consistent lines.

Use your size to punt those small guys out the main line when needed Smile
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6/19/2019 10:53am
The weight isn't holding you back. A 450 with the right suspension and you're fine. Don't stress about dropping weight or working out. Just get a lot of seat time, that'll take you farther and you'll probably start losing weight anyway.
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Ducon39
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6/19/2019 10:54am
agn5009 wrote:
Competitive means a lot of different things. In what class? Pro/A? No. B? Doubtful. C? Probably not. Woodsmen (or whatever your series calls beginner) Maybe? No...
Competitive means a lot of different things. In what class? Pro/A? No. B? Doubtful. C? Probably not. Woodsmen (or whatever your series calls beginner) Maybe? No one here knows you so we have absolutely no idea. Just sign up, have fun and finish whatever beginner class there is. If you finish then you did well. Work your way up and in a year or two maybe you’ll be competitive in the C class.

Don’t be surprised if you get lapped 3 or 4 times by the top 10 overall guys. It will most likely happen. Just continue to chug on and race your own race til you get acclimated with the format. After your first handful of races you’ll be more comfortable with pushing yourself.
Thanks for the help and advice! I will be racing the D class beginner to start out this year. I just want to do well. I’m...
Thanks for the help and advice! I will be racing the D class beginner to start out this year. I just want to do well. I’m not expecting to go pro or even ride up in b class at all. I would like to be in c class in the next year or two
agn5009 wrote:
Those are good and realistic aspirations. Just some advice. When you hear someone come up on you fast, just move out of the way. I can’t...
Those are good and realistic aspirations. Just some advice. When you hear someone come up on you fast, just move out of the way. I can’t tell you how many people getting lapped won’t move when us pro/A riders come up from behind. We are super thankful when the guys getting lapped just move. I couldn’t tell you how many times I’ve had to “move” lappers out of the way though.
Not a good idea IMO. Stay in your line, fast guys will always find a way around you. Beginners changing line at the last moment when someone behind is ready to pass is recipe for catastrophe.
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6/19/2019 11:10am
swtwtwtw wrote:
Some of the fastest guys I know, experts/A riders, are +225lbs. Just go race and twist the throttle. 😃
I know a guy Wink
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6/19/2019 11:42am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2019 11:43am
Thanks for the help and advice! I will be racing the D class beginner to start out this year. I just want to do well. I’m...
Thanks for the help and advice! I will be racing the D class beginner to start out this year. I just want to do well. I’m not expecting to go pro or even ride up in b class at all. I would like to be in c class in the next year or two
agn5009 wrote:
Those are good and realistic aspirations. Just some advice. When you hear someone come up on you fast, just move out of the way. I can’t...
Those are good and realistic aspirations. Just some advice. When you hear someone come up on you fast, just move out of the way. I can’t tell you how many people getting lapped won’t move when us pro/A riders come up from behind. We are super thankful when the guys getting lapped just move. I couldn’t tell you how many times I’ve had to “move” lappers out of the way though.
Ducon39 wrote:
Not a good idea IMO. Stay in your line, fast guys will always find a way around you. Beginners changing line at the last moment when...
Not a good idea IMO. Stay in your line, fast guys will always find a way around you. Beginners changing line at the last moment when someone behind is ready to pass is recipe for catastrophe.
I’ve won a lot of overalls in my day. Still finish inside the top 10 o/a in vet A. Move out of the way when possible.
6/19/2019 12:18pm
Thank you to everyone for all of the help! I was honestly expecting a lot of “You’re too fat and you’re gonna be slow” as I got on another forum. This has truly helped motivate me. I really appreciate everyone’s honesty and encouragement here!
6/19/2019 12:22pm
kage173 wrote:
The weight isn't holding you back. A 450 with the right suspension and you're fine. Don't stress about dropping weight or working out. Just get a...
The weight isn't holding you back. A 450 with the right suspension and you're fine. Don't stress about dropping weight or working out. Just get a lot of seat time, that'll take you farther and you'll probably start losing weight anyway.
I am on a 250 but hopefully it won’t hold me back too much cause I just bought it and if I get another my wife will cut my nuts off and mail them to a foreign country to be used as a rear view decoration
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6/19/2019 12:38pm
Just go slow and get back into shape first. I doubt this is a career move so just enjoy yourself safely.
Intermittent fasting 16/8 and a Keto diet will shed pounds faster than anything.

Remember, breakfast is for fat people. If you don't believe me go to any Denny's or IHOP at 10 AM...
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Being tall gives you an advantage in off-road whereas being a smaller guy gives you a huge advantage in moto. That being said, you're on the right track by wanting to go the off-road route. I'm 6'2 (only 170lbs tho), local A/Pro in offroad, and generally, make my time up in the rough stuff (moto background). Being tall is a disadvantage in the tight stuff (generally) but you will be able to keep the bike stable at higher speeds in rough fast sections.

If you want to be ultra competitive in off-road your best bet is to get to the mx track every other practice session and focus on sprints and raw speed when you're there. Skills learned on the mx track transfer over to off-road very well. The same cannot be said about offroad skills transferring over to the mx track. Of course, you have to be able to last the entire race too, so practice endurance. But having the ability to get yourself to the front and putting enough time between you and the next rider so that they can't see you is pivotal in doing well in offroad races.
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6/19/2019 1:02pm
Ducon39 wrote:
Not a good idea IMO. Stay in your line, fast guys will always find a way around you. Beginners changing line at the last moment when...
Not a good idea IMO. Stay in your line, fast guys will always find a way around you. Beginners changing line at the last moment when someone behind is ready to pass is recipe for catastrophe.
Your moto etiquette doesn't apply as nicely in single track off-road racing. Often times there isn't enough room for the fast guys to find a way around you without putting at least one rider in a dangerous situation. I'll let you guess which rider is put in the sketchy situation too.

In short, if you hear someone rolling up on you faster than you can think, don't ride erratic and try and do look for an opening to move to one side of the track. You don't even have to stop, just give a little room on one side and maybe point or lift a hand as to which side you would prefer they pass you on. They will appreciate it and you will be less likely to find yourself tasting tree bark when a super fast mini rider uses up every inch of trail in that split second opening they had to make the pass.
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Hello all, Brand new to this forum. I am 6 ft 2 in tall and weigh 255 lbs. I want to race harescrambles badly. I am...
Hello all,
Brand new to this forum. I am 6 ft 2 in tall and weigh 255 lbs. I want to race harescrambles badly. I am decently fast on the trails. Do you think I even have a shot at being competitive in this?

I am working to lose weight now. I know I’m fat. Any advice for that or encouragement in appreciated. Brutal honesty also appreciated.

Thanks!
My long time riding buddy was 6'6" and 250. He hauled ass on a CR500. Benny Blose is 6'6".
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6/19/2019 1:09pm
Only if you weight train seriously Bro.
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Mr. Afterbar
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6/19/2019 1:11pm
Just ride at a comfortable pace and keep your momentum up. You’ll be fine. The middle of a harescramble is the toughest part. I was 240 lbs at one point racing AA here and there since my dad took it up after moto.
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6/19/2019 2:22pm
Premix wrote:
Grant Baylor weighs more than you and handles people regularly in the premier off road events. However he is on a 450. Use it as motivation...
Grant Baylor weighs more than you and handles people regularly in the premier off road events. However he is on a 450. Use it as motivation to lose a few lbs.
Which Grant Baylor are you referring to? I only know one and I outweigh him
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6/19/2019 2:27pm
Lots of encouragement and positivity in this thread. Cool Loving it. And welcome to Vital Smile I’ll be doing my first MX race towards the end of the summer, so that will be interesting for me Laughing
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6/19/2019 2:35pm
Mossy wrote:
Lots of encouragement and positivity in this thread. B) Loving it. And welcome to Vital :) I’ll be doing my first MX race towards the end...
Lots of encouragement and positivity in this thread. Cool Loving it. And welcome to Vital Smile I’ll be doing my first MX race towards the end of the summer, so that will be interesting for me Laughing
Thanks! And good luck! I love riding the mx track as well as the trails. You’ll do great!
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6/19/2019 2:49pm
Ducon39 wrote:
Not a good idea IMO. Stay in your line, fast guys will always find a way around you. Beginners changing line at the last moment when...
Not a good idea IMO. Stay in your line, fast guys will always find a way around you. Beginners changing line at the last moment when someone behind is ready to pass is recipe for catastrophe.
scrallex wrote:
Your moto etiquette doesn't apply as nicely in single track off-road racing. Often times there isn't enough room for the fast guys to find a way...
Your moto etiquette doesn't apply as nicely in single track off-road racing. Often times there isn't enough room for the fast guys to find a way around you without putting at least one rider in a dangerous situation. I'll let you guess which rider is put in the sketchy situation too.

In short, if you hear someone rolling up on you faster than you can think, don't ride erratic and try and do look for an opening to move to one side of the track. You don't even have to stop, just give a little room on one side and maybe point or lift a hand as to which side you would prefer they pass you on. They will appreciate it and you will be less likely to find yourself tasting tree bark when a super fast mini rider uses up every inch of trail in that split second opening they had to make the pass.
Fair enough, I was indeed thinking more moto (track). Have seen too many beginners not holding their line ... and kaboom!
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6/19/2019 3:11pm
You might be competitive in the big fat guy class, but unless you start , you wont know. I am 54 and 220.. i still race a 125 when i can. No matter how much you suck, there will always be a guy who looks at you as a target to beat . Get out there and get it done. Drop a bit of timber, and enjoy the benefits.
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6/19/2019 3:18pm
I signed up for a harescramble a few years ago at 6’2” 260 off the couch on an mx set up 450. I chose to ride the C class as I had never ridden XC and was wildly out of shape. I had raced MX previously and have been on a bike for a lot of years, but always mx. I placed 3rd in my class just by staying upright.

I made it about 1/4 lap into the race and was ready to quit, but after spending close to $120 to sign up after ama membership, transponder, day pass for the district, and entry fee, I opted to push through the pain and go as long as I could. I was on the track for 2 hours and 40 minutes and it was some of the most fun I have had on a bike and sparked a fire to get back into shape.

Go for it and just have fun over all other things. Don’t worry about being competitive yet. Just race yourself, ride at your comfort level, and be mindful of faster riders. Take the time to note where you had troubles and try to do better the next lap around. Make sure your bike is tight and well maintained before entering a race also. There is nothing worse than showing up paying race fees and breaking down after a short time!

Best of luck, you will have a blast!

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