Should America not race MXON?

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Barrett57 6/18/2019 11:20am
6/18/2019 11:20am
jorgechavez wrote:
If the US doesn't go who will all the British fans brag about beating despite not winning the event in 25 years?
This is it, we need a team to slag off and feel superior to for the next year.
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Mr. Afterbar 6/18/2019 11:20am
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Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
They should but they don’t, what I’m trying to get at, is the the US are moaning about cost but the smaller MX nations normally always...
They should but they don’t, what I’m trying to get at, is the the US are moaning about cost but the smaller MX nations normally always make the trip over.
Maybe get the facts before posting. Nobody is moaning. Matthes is Canadian.
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yak651 6/18/2019 11:23am
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Motofinne wrote:
I will lose a lot of respect for everyone involved in the USA MXdN effort if they choose to stay home. I expect them to line...
I will lose a lot of respect for everyone involved in the USA MXdN effort if they choose to stay home.

I expect them to line up and fight for it just like everyone else.
Yeah I don't expect Eli to go, but hope we have 3 guys that are willing to put off their fall vacation for a couple weeks to give it a go.
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kkawboy14 6/18/2019 11:23am
6/18/2019 11:23am Edited Date/Time 6/18/2019 11:23am
If I was a Pro I wouldn’t do any race that I wasn’t getting paid to race!

To much on the line.

There are a lot of “wanna be Pros” that need to do any race so that they get noticed with the future hopes of actually becoming a Pro.
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 6/18/2019 11:25am
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Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
They should but they don’t, what I’m trying to get at, is the the US are moaning about cost but the smaller MX nations normally always...
They should but they don’t, what I’m trying to get at, is the the US are moaning about cost but the smaller MX nations normally always make the trip over.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Maybe get the facts before posting. Nobody is moaning. Matthes is Canadian.
Ok I take that on the chin.
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shaffstall721 6/18/2019 11:31am
6/18/2019 11:31am
ET is no slouch in the sand. I hope he goes.

How is Anderson in the sand?

Same with AC?
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63mark 6/18/2019 11:33am
6/18/2019 11:33am
MOTO732 wrote:
Without the USA there it's basically just an off season MXGP race that nobody would care about.
How is that, if people are saying they should not go because they cant win. This thread is turning out to be hilarious...
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Frank Tuesday 6/18/2019 11:36am
6/18/2019 11:36am
Even on a sand track, I'd expect them to be in the same place as last year, in with a good shot at a top 5 or podium. Not the favorites, but if things go their way, a win is still possible. You need five good results, and anything can happen. Only way to be sure to lose is to stay home.
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Barrett57 6/18/2019 11:36am
6/18/2019 11:36am Edited Date/Time 6/18/2019 11:37am
The USA could do well, I'd be surprised if they can win their individual motos but I wouldn't be surprised with a podium or if luck goes their way a win. The mxdn has a way of dishing out some odd luck.
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early 6/18/2019 11:37am
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The FIM and Youthstream should be take ZERO profit from this race. All proceeds should go to the teams, tracks, and riders. The price of tickets and camping are jacked way up and the stream is 3 times the price of a normal GP for less actual racing.
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moto9 6/18/2019 11:38am
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We should not go and here's why.
1. Most or all of our top riders arn't really into it anymore.
2. It's a yearly embarrassment.
3. It hasn't really been a team effort in years.
4. American riders are at a clear disadvantage with scheduling , dealing with burnout and the fact that the real importance here in the states is switching more towards SX.
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wolf918 6/18/2019 11:39am
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What I don’t get is if we have a month off to keep up on training and riding until the start of mxdn (which is hard to do) why don’t our guys go over a few weeks early and treat it like a bit of a vacation? Make it like a vacation and get some testing done before the big weekend?
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Thisusernameisavailable 6/18/2019 11:39am
6/18/2019 11:39am
Crossup wrote:
We clearly have competitive talent in the US that can go every year. There seems to be two issues that keep coming up between riders, team...
We clearly have competitive talent in the US that can go every year. There seems to be two issues that keep coming up between riders, team managers, press, podcasts, etc that make this event not as interesting, or compatible (competitive) as it was in the past. 1. American racers, teams, bike set up, training, incentives, sponsorship commitments being Supercross focused. 2. FIM biases (Scheduling/time of year, venues, track setup, drug testing, etc)
Can you clarify what you mean about FIM biases & Drug testing?
redneckmotox 6/18/2019 11:41am
6/18/2019 11:41am
Brad460 wrote:
Team USA right now:

Tomac, JA and AC
No on tomac. We want guys that actualy want to be there
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MW19 6/18/2019 11:42am
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I rather go and get last place than not show up at all. It's more embarrassing for me as an American to not show up.
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peltier626 6/18/2019 11:42am
6/18/2019 11:42am
I would be severely disappointed if the US does not participate. That would mean if there is no chance to win you don't even play the game. That is morally and fundamentally wrong and goes against everything I'm teaching my son about life. I would hope we have more pride than that.
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THE mx addict 6/18/2019 11:51am
6/18/2019 11:51am
Motofinne wrote:
I will lose a lot of respect for everyone involved in the USA MXdN effort if they choose to stay home. I expect them to line...
I will lose a lot of respect for everyone involved in the USA MXdN effort if they choose to stay home.

I expect them to line up and fight for it just like everyone else.
Just imagine two seconds europeans top teams didn t come to Budds Creek in 2007 MXoN !
Seriously...
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agn5009 6/18/2019 12:00pm
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Brad460 wrote:
Team USA right now:

Tomac, JA and AC
Casting wrote:
As much as I would like to see AC there, it makes more sense for him to work on getting ready to race a 450. The...
As much as I would like to see AC there, it makes more sense for him to work on getting ready to race a 450. The transition is hard enough without having to continue riding a 250 for 6 weeks after his season is over.

AC will do it if he’s healthy and he’s asked. Guaranteed.
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mattyhamz2 6/18/2019 12:01pm
6/18/2019 12:01pm
Didn't Matthes already say a few months back that Kawi won't put up the money to go?
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seventeen 6/18/2019 12:03pm
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I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least move the race to right after the last national...not six weeks down the road in the middle of SX prep...
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agn5009 6/18/2019 12:05pm
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seventeen wrote:
I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least...
I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least move the race to right after the last national...not six weeks down the road in the middle of SX prep...
You act like everyone who races the GPs live at the same place.
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Motofinne 6/18/2019 12:08pm
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seventeen wrote:
I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least...
I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least move the race to right after the last national...not six weeks down the road in the middle of SX prep...
What if i told you that the American nationals and their scheduling is as big of an issue as the GPs? There was a thread about this before the 2017 or 2018 MXdN and the nationals end way sooner than back in the day.

Both series are at fault for the big break between the last round of US nationals and MXdN.
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RichieW13 6/18/2019 12:10pm
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Any idea what the costs are to send a team to Europe? Are we talking $10,000, $100,000 or $1 Million?
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smee113 6/18/2019 12:15pm
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1) The FIM does not pay the expenses of other long distance teams such as Canada, Brazil, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand. Brazil often ends up in the B-Final, but they still show up every year.

If I remember correctly, the US is supposed to host the MXoN every 4 years now, meaning that the event becomes long distance for every country besides the US and Canada. So collectively, it's actually worse for Europe.

2) It was the US that decided to end our schedule earlier in the year. The MXoN schedule has remained largely the same, so why should the MXoN change to accommodate our schedule?

3) Other countries go every year to finish far worse than we do. Countries like Ukraine, Iceland, and Greece go every year despite never making the A Finals.

Sorry, but I don't think it's a coincidence that this started becoming an issue when we started losing. I'd rather go and finish 15th every year, then not show up. We're better than that, or least we should be.
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Finnish_Flash_62 6/18/2019 12:16pm
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seventeen wrote:
I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least...
I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least move the race to right after the last national...not six weeks down the road in the middle of SX prep...
Motofinne wrote:
What if i told you that the American nationals and their scheduling is as big of an issue as the GPs? There was a thread about...
What if i told you that the American nationals and their scheduling is as big of an issue as the GPs? There was a thread about this before the 2017 or 2018 MXdN and the nationals end way sooner than back in the day.

Both series are at fault for the big break between the last round of US nationals and MXdN.
Exactly this. I said back then that would it really be that hard for both parts to agree to minor changes in their schedule to make everyone happy. Have the GPs end a week or two earlier and the nationals a week or two later. Hard to imagine anyone in the US having a problem with having a week more off after SX and have an extra week off in the middle of the season.
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Dropbear 6/18/2019 12:27pm
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You’ll be there.

Also shorten SX by half, and bring back Trans-AMA.
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Sideways 6/18/2019 12:33pm
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RichieW13 wrote:
Any idea what the costs are to send a team to Europe? Are we talking $10,000, $100,000 or $1 Million?
I think they mentioned something like 50k usd on pulp. Not sure if that is per rider/team or for everything.
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RichieW13 wrote:
Any idea what the costs are to send a team to Europe? Are we talking $10,000, $100,000 or $1 Million?
Sideways wrote:
I think they mentioned something like 50k usd on pulp. Not sure if that is per rider/team or for everything.
For the US it has to be more than that. It was around 50k for Canada and we send a much smaller team.
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Sideways 6/18/2019 12:39pm
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RichieW13 wrote:
Any idea what the costs are to send a team to Europe? Are we talking $10,000, $100,000 or $1 Million?
Sideways wrote:
I think they mentioned something like 50k usd on pulp. Not sure if that is per rider/team or for everything.
But i honestly dont think the cost is the biggest "problem". Its the schedule. I think most riders are pumped to represent their country, they should be!
AC said recently it would be an honor to race.
I really dont think we would be having this conversation if the US would have done better lately.

The thing is, the US can win on any given day! They have been very close several times in the previous years, they have had bad luck. They can even win assen if the stars align and they pick the right riders.
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seventeen 6/18/2019 12:53pm
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seventeen wrote:
I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least...
I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least move the race to right after the last national...not six weeks down the road in the middle of SX prep...
agn5009 wrote:
You act like everyone who races the GPs live at the same place.
No I do not. Your reply to my comment is a construct of your internal machinations not mine. Stated more simply...the tide is going out on the MXDN for the United States. Want them to show up? Make it more equitable.
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