Looks like the Chinese are getting serious!!!

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5/21/2019 10:44am
*claims ignorance bothers him*

*posts blatantly racist and untrue statements about Chinese manufacturing*

Fuckin love it bro
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To anyone who will listen
TELL china I said to FUCK oFF. IT'S A NATION BUILT OFF OFF STEALING!

Shameful that anyone would buy a Chinese shit pile, and I hope they get stranded.
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5/21/2019 10:59am
BR8ES wrote:
GPX is working on a 550cc two stroke too, seen a picture or 2.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Searched it and saw a thread on kxriders . It will be 10 grand.
I would hope it isn't that much, but I could see $7500 or so.
5/21/2019 10:59am Edited Date/Time 5/21/2019 1:35pm
G-man wrote:
Wow I have no idea posting a thread about Chinese bikes would explode like this, that was not my intention. Like I said in the initial...
Wow I have no idea posting a thread about Chinese bikes would explode like this, that was not my intention. Like I said in the initial post if it will get more people riding then that's a good thing as the sport I love is dying at an alarming rate mostly due to the high cost of bikes, track insurance and the closing of tracks.

As far as copying designs I thought it was common knowledge that all the Japanese manufacturers bought each other's bikes and took them back to their secret R&D Laboratories to tear down and research.

I remember hearing back in the day Suzuki had a Maico, where do you think they got the idea for the leading axle front fork and reed valves? Woohoo

Okay I said my peace now go back to the bickering. Grinning
Clean-room analysis of your competitors' products and coming up with your own competing implementation of a concept is completely different from taking a design, disassembling, then molding, casting, and reassembling all the same identical parts.

I dont get why that keeps getting mentioned in the same breath
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5/21/2019 11:04am
crowe176 wrote:
The review of the air filter cage is enough for me.. I actually enjoyed the review haha. And the comments in the video are great.
The review of the air filter cage is enough for me.. I actually enjoyed the review haha. And the comments in the video are great.
And yet when KTM has shitty QC on their reed cages everyone turns a blind eye because it came out of Europe? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/05/20/348867/s1200_s1200_IMG_8326.jpg[/img]
And yet when KTM has shitty QC on their reed cages everyone turns a blind eye because it came out of Europe?




KennyT wrote:
Get back to us when China starts winning SX/National/World championships

Comparing crappy Chinese bikes to KTM is pretty foolish
Same thing was said about Japanese bikes and look what happened. What's foolish is a company that wins all these championships still making these kinds of errors in manufacturing yet the sky is falling if a new upstart company does it. Hmmm, ok.
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China has a bad reputation for making bad quality cheap products. They make EXACTLY what we ask for. Cheap and disposable. They're fully capable of making...
China has a bad reputation for making bad quality cheap products. They make EXACTLY what we ask for. Cheap and disposable. They're fully capable of making quality products but North Americans are all about saving money. they could compete with German or Japanese or American quality if someone was willing to pay for it.
They have equipment rolling around on the moon right now. The U.S. says we don't have the technology to get there anymore. Go figure.
BobPA wrote:
We planted our flag there 50 years ago, by hand. The fuck we need a robot there for?
Did we? You sure about that?
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They have equipment rolling around on the moon right now. The U.S. says we don't have the technology to get there anymore. Go figure.
BobPA wrote:
We planted our flag there 50 years ago, by hand. The fuck we need a robot there for?
Did we? You sure about that?
Care to elaborate?
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5/21/2019 11:29am
KennyT wrote:
Harley has always held the lead on resale value and it continues to this day. That’s a fact
zehn wrote:
Which is 100% branding and not related to the quality of the bike at all. That’s a fact.
Agreed, I have had about every brand out there, and when I got old enough to afford my "Dream bike", I bought a HD, rode it for 4 years, got tired of the poser BS stuff affiliated with the brand, went out and bought a Kawi and couldnt be happier. HD has the poser market, the rich, lawyer types who want to brag about being a biker when they tow their shit to bike week. HD is getting played out whether anyone will admit it or not.
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Actually I wear my KTM jacket. Just shows how ignorant you are with the pirate comment. Don’t hate just because all you can afford is Chinese...
Actually I wear my KTM jacket. Just shows how ignorant you are with the pirate comment. Don’t hate just because all you can afford is Chinese crap. Try getting a real job and you might be able to join the Harley crew ....and you can buy your pirate outfit to fit in. Dipshit
wow.
You're getting emotional about what are just basic possessions. Also Post a pic of you in the sick KTM jacket on that bitching hog! ????
KennyT wrote:
Ignorance bothers me. Jackasses who have never owned a HD will find fault with them even though they know nothing about them. When in reality they...
Ignorance bothers me. Jackasses who have never owned a HD will find fault with them even though they know nothing about them. When in reality they are at the top on resale value and customer satisfaction.

Then you have idiots like Zehn who make pirate outfit jokes when he would put on gear to ride his dirt bike that makes him look like a clown. Go figure. Take a pic of the gate at the next National and get back to me about outfits.

It’s hard to take a pic of myself riding so I’ll post a pic of my latest HD. Bought used with 7K miles. Will ride it for a few years for the same cost as if I bought a Chinese moped.

Was that first pic taken before they added oil to it?? Woohoo Evil Tongue
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zehn wrote:
*claims ignorance bothers him*

*posts blatantly racist and untrue statements about Chinese manufacturing*

Fuckin love it bro
Help me out here Zehn. What was “blatantly racist about China” ?
All I said is they tend to build crap. Is that racist? If being truthful is racist then tough shit.

And I apologize for getting worked up about this. I better get outta here before I really get nasty?
Have a good day?
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KennyT wrote:
Harley has always held the lead on resale value and it continues to this day. That’s a fact
zehn wrote:
Which is 100% branding and not related to the quality of the bike at all. That’s a fact.
Agreed, I have had about every brand out there, and when I got old enough to afford my "Dream bike", I bought a HD, rode it...
Agreed, I have had about every brand out there, and when I got old enough to afford my "Dream bike", I bought a HD, rode it for 4 years, got tired of the poser BS stuff affiliated with the brand, went out and bought a Kawi and couldnt be happier. HD has the poser market, the rich, lawyer types who want to brag about being a biker when they tow their shit to bike week. HD is getting played out whether anyone will admit it or not.
How about the construction workers in Levi’s and KTM shirts? The ones that wouldn’t go to bike week if you paid them. The type that despises “lawyer types”

Just because you couldn’t handle owning a HD without playing into the stereotype doesn’t mean there aren’t MX’ers out there who buy Harley’s because they enjoy riding them.
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KennyT wrote:
How about the construction workers in Levi’s and KTM shirts? The ones that wouldn’t go to bike week if you paid them. The type that despises...
How about the construction workers in Levi’s and KTM shirts? The ones that wouldn’t go to bike week if you paid them. The type that despises “lawyer types”

Just because you couldn’t handle owning a HD without playing into the stereotype doesn’t mean there aren’t MX’ers out there who buy Harley’s because they enjoy riding them.
I don't have a problem with Harley's, but when I hear one roll bye with The Eagles playing at twice the volume of the exhaust I just have to shake my head at the idiot behind the bars.
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KennyT wrote:
How about the construction workers in Levi’s and KTM shirts? The ones that wouldn’t go to bike week if you paid them. The type that despises...
How about the construction workers in Levi’s and KTM shirts? The ones that wouldn’t go to bike week if you paid them. The type that despises “lawyer types”

Just because you couldn’t handle owning a HD without playing into the stereotype doesn’t mean there aren’t MX’ers out there who buy Harley’s because they enjoy riding them.
early wrote:
I don't have a problem with Harley's, but when I hear one roll bye with The Eagles playing at twice the volume of the exhaust I...
I don't have a problem with Harley's, but when I hear one roll bye with The Eagles playing at twice the volume of the exhaust I just have to shake my head at the idiot behind the bars.
"Man come on I had a rough night, and I hate the fucking eagles, man."
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5/21/2019 1:16pm
Somebody paid attention. US gave China 40 years worth of economic development in 20.
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5/21/2019 2:15pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2019 2:16pm
zehn wrote:
Which is 100% branding and not related to the quality of the bike at all. That’s a fact.
Agreed, I have had about every brand out there, and when I got old enough to afford my "Dream bike", I bought a HD, rode it...
Agreed, I have had about every brand out there, and when I got old enough to afford my "Dream bike", I bought a HD, rode it for 4 years, got tired of the poser BS stuff affiliated with the brand, went out and bought a Kawi and couldnt be happier. HD has the poser market, the rich, lawyer types who want to brag about being a biker when they tow their shit to bike week. HD is getting played out whether anyone will admit it or not.
KennyT wrote:
How about the construction workers in Levi’s and KTM shirts? The ones that wouldn’t go to bike week if you paid them. The type that despises...
How about the construction workers in Levi’s and KTM shirts? The ones that wouldn’t go to bike week if you paid them. The type that despises “lawyer types”

Just because you couldn’t handle owning a HD without playing into the stereotype doesn’t mean there aren’t MX’ers out there who buy Harley’s because they enjoy riding them.
So by "lawyer types", do you mean the type of douche that says things like:

"The majority of people who bash Harley’s can not afford them. It’s like criticizing Ferrari’s, Porsche’s etc because of maintenance cost"

"The new models are not your oil leaking machines you wish you could afford"

"Finally went to a Mac"

"Don’t hate just because all you can afford is Chinese crap. Try getting a real job and you might be able to join the Harley crew"

I don't have much tolerance for those types either. The last thing I want to discuss on my Saturday morning group ride is my portfolio and which little blue pill is most effective. That's why people don't ride Harley's anymore, not because they can't afford it.
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Agreed, I have had about every brand out there, and when I got old enough to afford my "Dream bike", I bought a HD, rode it...
Agreed, I have had about every brand out there, and when I got old enough to afford my "Dream bike", I bought a HD, rode it for 4 years, got tired of the poser BS stuff affiliated with the brand, went out and bought a Kawi and couldnt be happier. HD has the poser market, the rich, lawyer types who want to brag about being a biker when they tow their shit to bike week. HD is getting played out whether anyone will admit it or not.
KennyT wrote:
How about the construction workers in Levi’s and KTM shirts? The ones that wouldn’t go to bike week if you paid them. The type that despises...
How about the construction workers in Levi’s and KTM shirts? The ones that wouldn’t go to bike week if you paid them. The type that despises “lawyer types”

Just because you couldn’t handle owning a HD without playing into the stereotype doesn’t mean there aren’t MX’ers out there who buy Harley’s because they enjoy riding them.
GrapeApe wrote:
So by "lawyer types", do you mean the type of douche that says things like: "[i]The majority of people who bash Harley’s can not afford them...
So by "lawyer types", do you mean the type of douche that says things like:

"The majority of people who bash Harley’s can not afford them. It’s like criticizing Ferrari’s, Porsche’s etc because of maintenance cost"

"The new models are not your oil leaking machines you wish you could afford"

"Finally went to a Mac"

"Don’t hate just because all you can afford is Chinese crap. Try getting a real job and you might be able to join the Harley crew"

I don't have much tolerance for those types either. The last thing I want to discuss on my Saturday morning group ride is my portfolio and which little blue pill is most effective. That's why people don't ride Harley's anymore, not because they can't afford it.
That is it in a nutshell. HD has stated the same...in different words.
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Ping raced one at Glen Helen, he barely made it up Mt St Helens.
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They have equipment rolling around on the moon right now. The U.S. says we don't have the technology to get there anymore. Go figure.
BobPA wrote:
We planted our flag there 50 years ago, by hand. The fuck we need a robot there for?
Did we? You sure about that?
Hard to see the moon from your flat Earth bungalow???
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5/22/2019 12:09am
RudyRayMo wrote:
Ping raced one at Glen Helen, he barely made it up Mt St Helens.
Ping raced one at Glen Helen, he [did not make] it up Mt St Helens.

that is one of the best parts of his story when he mentions making eye contact with other riders as he was headed downhill, going the wrong way, on a professional motocross track

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early wrote:
Somebody paid attention. US gave China 40 years worth of economic development in 20.
Actually that's not entirely true. The thing is, there is this thing called the 'rest of the world' that was going to trade with China and make the most of it's labour market and the enormous economic growth potential that they had regardless what the US was or wasn't going to do. China was (and to an extent still is) a sleeping giant that was always going to explode in terms of growth. Ten years from now they will probably make very good dirt bikes, and will probably own KTM/Husqvarna. Once they get to a decent level of their own development, watch for them to buy a 'classic' brand name like Maico, Italjet or something and start to pump bikes out under that brand. That will be the warning sign that they think they have it nailed and are serious about moving into the market.
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5/22/2019 1:14am
Things can happen pretty quickly if the Chinese want to get serious. We thought the same way about Japan but the below photos are only 4 years apart. 1972- 1976


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KennyT wrote:
All copies of HD and all of them most likely a better product then HD’s. Only problem is the resale. A 10 year old Japanese cruiser...
All copies of HD and all of them most likely a better product then HD’s. Only problem is the resale. A 10 year old Japanese cruiser will be worth hundreds while a ten year old HD is still worth 5 figures. The Japanese cruiser will look like crap n 10 years while the HD is a timeless classic that always holds its value. (Just a guess, but that should get a few of you going)
MX558 wrote:
Harleys don't hold their value anymore and haven't for years . There's way too many used ones out there and it's essentially the same bike
KennyT wrote:
Sorry you are wrong. Here in San Diego county 10 year old Harley’s are over 10k for anything but a sportster or Dyna. I paid 14k...
Sorry you are wrong. Here in San Diego county 10 year old Harley’s are over 10k for anything but a sportster or Dyna. I paid 14k for a used street glide, rode it for 3 years and 10K+ miles and sold it for $12,500. Cost me $1500 and oil changes or ride it for 3 years. Pretty good resale value if you ask me. A Jap bike would have dropped 60”-70% under that scenario.
In the Midwest you can't give used Harley's away . I've had 3 of them and all lost way more money that my R1 did or my r6 . Now 2ts that's another story
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Twigster wrote:
Actually that's not entirely true. The thing is, there is this thing called the 'rest of the world' that was going to trade with China and...
Actually that's not entirely true. The thing is, there is this thing called the 'rest of the world' that was going to trade with China and make the most of it's labour market and the enormous economic growth potential that they had regardless what the US was or wasn't going to do. China was (and to an extent still is) a sleeping giant that was always going to explode in terms of growth. Ten years from now they will probably make very good dirt bikes, and will probably own KTM/Husqvarna. Once they get to a decent level of their own development, watch for them to buy a 'classic' brand name like Maico, Italjet or something and start to pump bikes out under that brand. That will be the warning sign that they think they have it nailed and are serious about moving into the market.
Well, that's one way to look at it.

Another way to look at it is US based companies got the greenlight to setup production in mainland China. This was key to developing more advanced manufacturing there, drawing non-US companies to move their production there as well, advancing shipping from China to the rest of the world, and legitimizing the MADE IN CHINA stamp in people's minds. Back in the cold war era seeing made in China on a product would have carried more negative weight than it does today.
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These bikes are blatant copies of other companies products. The Chinese need to stop stealing Intellectual Property and come up with their own products. Then develop...
These bikes are blatant copies of other companies products. The Chinese need to stop stealing Intellectual Property and come up with their own products. Then develop a dealer network and product support infrastructure. Then maybe they’ll be taken more seriously.
How do you think the Japanese got the train moving?
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5/22/2019 12:43pm
I’d ride a 2019 Suzuki before I’d even think about riding a chinese bike
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I found their dealership. End of aisle 6

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5/22/2019 2:06pm
I believe China can give you whatever quality of product you want but you have to continuously watch them as they can try and slip things by you if your not looking.

We went through the China learning experience with some very simple right angle gearboxes used in the ag industry. The OEM had been building them in the US and we had a rebuild program where if a customer destroyed one we'd have a rebuilt unit he could take right away. We'd rebuild his old one for the next customer that had problems and so on. When the OEM switched to Chinese built gearboxes the pricing on the shafts doubled compared to the US units but the entire gearbox could be bought at about half the price of the US ones. China didn't want to deal in the parts apparently; too much trouble with the language barrier and organization required to do it properly I suppose. We tried rebuilding the Chinese boxes with US shafts but we'd find little things like the placement of snap ring grooves would not be in the the same place or of a different width so we'd have to fiddle around finding proper snap rings or shim things to get them to work. The internals did not always match the parts drawings either. The added labor expense rebuilding them made it such that it was cheaper to buy a new Chinese gearbox, so we quit rebuilding them. We did not find them to be anymore susceptible to failure though and the US built gearboxes had been using Chinese bearings for years. Many of the first Chinese bearings I remember had a branding of PRC on them: People's Republic of China.

The OEM did bring the gearboxes back to the US here a few years ago although they've since been bought by a Canadian firm so I think we'll soon be receiving gearboxes built in Canada. Someone warned me that they use maple syrup instead of gear oil but I guess I'll find out Blink
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5/22/2019 2:18pm
We used to order Chinese laid up plywood for years. Since the tariffs at first prices increased a lot. Now between domestic and Indonesian ply prices have come back down and quality as gone up.
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