Just say "NO!" to fast 50 prices

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Won't comment on the new bike prices , but as far as you go Mike......you sound like a cool dad with a couple awesome kid's. One of my favorite things to check out on here , are the pics of everyone's kid's doing something MX related. Not gonna lie , I get a little jealous at times , since I never had any of my own. So I live through you guys.
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4/19/2019 2:01am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2019 2:02am
Chopin wrote:
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer...
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer who's actually contributing to the growth of our sport?
That's really Low Down of you. Very Low.
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4/19/2019 2:20am
Novel idea. Blast the local dealer for the price of race bikes when you obviously don't need race bikes. I guess I should start a thread, 'Just say no to four door dually prices.' and then bitch about the local Ford dealer being a crook because the sticker says 60k, when all I need a truck for is to tote my old bike around and haul off the trash...?
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This is the definition of parenting done right. Hell yeah Slip, way to go!
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ctbale wrote:
yup you right, you right. they will get $4400 for hotrod mini bikes from an ever decreasing percentage of parents that can afford it. That's really...
yup you right, you right.

they will get $4400 for hotrod mini bikes from an ever decreasing percentage of parents that can afford it. That's really great for the sport
lostboy819 wrote:
If a dealer cant make money to pay the bills then he is out of business and you cant buy a bike anyway. Nothing wrong with...
If a dealer cant make money to pay the bills then he is out of business and you cant buy a bike anyway. Nothing wrong with buying used but racing and motorsports in general are not a poor mans hobby.
While true it may not be a poor mans hobby, it hasn't always been just the domain of the rich man like it is becoming. $4000...
While true it may not be a poor mans hobby, it hasn't always been just the domain of the rich man like it is becoming. $4000 for a 50 is insane and prices even most of the middle class out.
here's a oem price list from 1988 MXA:



KX60 was $1099

in todays dollars that = 2,361.52, inflation adjusted

2018 KX65 is $3699

thats a 56% increase OVER inflation.
more than doubled in price in addition to inflation costs.
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4/19/2019 4:58am
i was curious how big bikes translated to this as well.

'88 CR250 retail was $3098

in 2019 dollars that would be $6,656.96

2019 CRF450 (closest model equivalent) is $9299 (yes, i undestand we are talking about a fuel injected bike blah blah blah, but that is our modern equivalent/what i can buy at a dealer to go race/ride today)

thats a 39% increase over inflation. 60's are 56% over inflation.

point being, the minis have almost doubled in increase compared to the big bikes. thats less than ideal. i'm a dad with two 50's btw.
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4/19/2019 5:16am
Chopin wrote:
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer...
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer who's actually contributing to the growth of our sport?
Wow, what a white trash comment.
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Other than the cost of materials, why is there so much difference between the price of a small bike and big bike? Take a 4-stroke 250 vs 450 for example. There are only a few lbs more metal between the two with the same amount of parts and labor costs, but the price is $1000-1500 more for the 450. Why?

I can see why an 85 is much cheaper with a 2-stroke engine and older suspension tech, but 250-450 price difference is odd. Even looking at those 1988 prices there is $500-600 difference between a 125 and 250. It's just what we are willing to pay I guess.
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4/19/2019 5:51am
Chopin wrote:
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer...
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer who's actually contributing to the growth of our sport?
First of all the kids been begging to ride, and it will be on a leash. Second, I didn't name the dealer. I am sorry for offending you and anyone else who pays retail instead of trying to find a better deal.
If making my kids happy, and trying to be smart with my money is white trash.... What does the opposite make you? Idk, but if you have kids I feel sorry for them.
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Novel idea. Blast the local dealer for the price of race bikes when you obviously don't need race bikes. I guess I should start a thread...
Novel idea. Blast the local dealer for the price of race bikes when you obviously don't need race bikes. I guess I should start a thread, 'Just say no to four door dually prices.' and then bitch about the local Ford dealer being a crook because the sticker says 60k, when all I need a truck for is to tote my old bike around and haul off the trash...?
Again I didn't name the dealer. Most people I know bitch about the same dealer when it comes to parts , service, and lack of give a dam. As you can see from my pics I drive an 05 minivan that I bought cheap with only 21,000 miles on it. I have the means to buy the said dually, but I'd rather be smarter with my money. Maybe someone will copy my cheapassness so another kid can get into the sport instead of being priced out. I apologise if I have offended anyone who lives beyond their means. Don't admit to living above your means. Just get defensive and blast me for making my kids happy on the cheap. I can take it. Maybe we can meet up, ride sometime, and compare credit scores.
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I always try to take in consideration resale as well. Yes the bike will cost me 4K but after 3-4 years of use out of it I can sell it for say $2500 so it cost me $375-500 a year to ride plus general maintinence/wear and tear items. All in all not bad for some fun. Some ball sports can cost you thousands a year and leave you with nothing to sell as equity in the end.

I always try to by a couple years old when I can vehicles or toys and let the original owner take the brunt of the depreciation though. Or buy old and fix her up and sell for more than purchased hope to do that with my current Kx250f got a pretty good deal think I can ride it for a few seasons and sell for same if not more than purchased for.
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I have 3 kids. KDX/JR50, PW80, 1978 DT100 THEN I will let them on the Rm85. Good friend of mine is doing the whole D2 series with his son, hes been thru the KTM50 woes, and now is on a tc50. I've seen the money he has spent and I'm good.
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This thread has two things. One is some great stuff about kids, cool parents, and pics that melt my heart. The second is comments from people who apparently have a huge cock up they're ass. He's right- mini prices are nuts. He just came on to state a fact and let us share in his solution. Why flame the dude? Aren't there enough mean people in the world already?
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Turbojez wrote:
This is the definition of parenting done right. Hell yeah Slip, way to go!
I had just enough beer on the back porch last night to be "artsy" Woohoo
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My kids are out of the house and off to college. But left some great memories. Man can't believe how fast those years went by...
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4/19/2019 7:48am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2019 7:50am
Also, my next door neighbour has an 8yr old son that had a CRF 50 when we moved in last year and we let him come over after building the track in the back.

He really was too big for that bike but they aren't "moto people" and don't have much spare money so one day his mom calls and says she got a good deal on a KX 65($800) but he can't touch the ground. I like the kid and he has good skills for no real experience so we stuffed the airbox with old t-shirts and I put 2" spacers in his forks and shock and cut the springs and now he rips around his yard almost every night too.
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4/19/2019 7:58am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2019 8:54am
mx317 wrote:
Other than the cost of materials, why is there so much difference between the price of a small bike and big bike? Take a 4-stroke 250...
Other than the cost of materials, why is there so much difference between the price of a small bike and big bike? Take a 4-stroke 250 vs 450 for example. There are only a few lbs more metal between the two with the same amount of parts and labor costs, but the price is $1000-1500 more for the 450. Why?

I can see why an 85 is much cheaper with a 2-stroke engine and older suspension tech, but 250-450 price difference is odd. Even looking at those 1988 prices there is $500-600 difference between a 125 and 250. It's just what we are willing to pay I guess.
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4/19/2019 8:05am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2019 8:14am
Chopin wrote:
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer...
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer who's actually contributing to the growth of our sport?
That's weird that you would trash a kid for riding, but just a few days ago you were here asking about protective gear for kids.

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Kids-Protective-gear,135…

What's more white trash, starting your kid at 2, or starting your kid at 6 and then coming here and pretending you are smarter than everyone else?


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4/19/2019 8:06am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2019 8:07am
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Also, my next door neighbour has an 8yr old son that had a CRF 50 when we moved in last year and we let him come...
Also, my next door neighbour has an 8yr old son that had a CRF 50 when we moved in last year and we let him come over after building the track in the back.

He really was too big for that bike but they aren't "moto people" and don't have much spare money so one day his mom calls and says she got a good deal on a KX 65($800) but he can't touch the ground. I like the kid and he has good skills for no real experience so we stuffed the airbox with old t-shirts and I put 2" spacers in his forks and shock and cut the springs and now he rips around his yard almost every night too.
We built a track and helped some other kids ride too. Instead of buying new bikes, a dually, and toy hauler... we rented a dozer, bought a 100hp cab/loader tractor, discs, bottom plows, and a $400 5x8 enclosed trailer. None of it financed and we are sleeping better than the Jones families in the nearby subdivision.
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mikec265 wrote:
We built a track and helped some other kids ride too. Instead of buying new bikes, a dually, and toy hauler... we rented a dozer, bought...
We built a track and helped some other kids ride too. Instead of buying new bikes, a dually, and toy hauler... we rented a dozer, bought a 100hp cab/loader tractor, discs, bottom plows, and a $400 5x8 enclosed trailer. None of it financed and we are sleeping better than the Jones families in the nearby subdivision.
I picked up the PW80 2 weeks ago for an extra yard bike for other kids since it was cheap but both my kids love it so I'm getting a second one this weekend and will keep the 2 CRF's, the PW50 and the Gina 110 as loners for anyone that wants to spin laps.

Good times!
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4/19/2019 8:18am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2019 2:31pm
Chopin wrote:
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer...
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer who's actually contributing to the growth of our sport?
mikec265 wrote:
First of all the kids been begging to ride, and it will be on a leash. Second, I didn't name the dealer. I am sorry for...
First of all the kids been begging to ride, and it will be on a leash. Second, I didn't name the dealer. I am sorry for offending you and anyone else who pays retail instead of trying to find a better deal.
If making my kids happy, and trying to be smart with my money is white trash.... What does the opposite make you? Idk, but if you have kids I feel sorry for them.
Don't even respond to these guys, you're living your dream and the kids have smiles on their faces. You're doing what every respectable parent should be doing, living within your means and providing for your family. Amen i say to you.
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4/19/2019 8:44am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2019 8:46am
mikec265 wrote:
We built a track and helped some other kids ride too. Instead of buying new bikes, a dually, and toy hauler... we rented a dozer, bought...
We built a track and helped some other kids ride too. Instead of buying new bikes, a dually, and toy hauler... we rented a dozer, bought a 100hp cab/loader tractor, discs, bottom plows, and a $400 5x8 enclosed trailer. None of it financed and we are sleeping better than the Jones families in the nearby subdivision.
You are doing it right. Your kids are lucky and will be well-grounded.
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4/19/2019 8:56am
Never mind the bikes. Tell us about that van !
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4/19/2019 9:11am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2019 9:31am
People are worried about the price of 250 and 450s but we should be way more concerned with kid bike prices.
A KTM 65 retail at $4999, Ktm 50 $4299 and a KTM 50 mini $3799. A pw50 sells for $1499 and has barely changed in 30 years.






As a mini dad and a rider it's hard not getting caught up buying your kid the coolest shit. A few weeks ago I almost purchased my boy a ktm 50 mini because I thought he would go faster, but after talking with some friends I decided to race our PW into the ground and try to bypass the bigger 50s. Because he was born in October we will have 3 full seasons on the PW.
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I didn't intend my comment to come off as being an asshole, I was just joking around because it looks like you live in the sticks compared to where Iam from. That's rad you got the kids out there. I wish my daughters 6 and 2 would try riding but they don't care the least bit about it.
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4/19/2019 10:48am
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I didn't intend my comment to come off as being an asshole, I was just joking around because it looks like you live in the sticks...
I didn't intend my comment to come off as being an asshole, I was just joking around because it looks like you live in the sticks compared to where Iam from. That's rad you got the kids out there. I wish my daughters 6 and 2 would try riding but they don't care the least bit about it.
If it helps any, last year at 6 my son could give a shit about riding and threw a fit most times I made him put on his gear to ride. I made him because I knew he enjoyed it when he did he didn't ever want to and my daughter only did when other kids came over. When winter set in I stopped asking them and the bikes sat for several months. Three weeks ago my son started asking and now he asks every day.
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4/19/2019 11:19am
Novel idea. Blast the local dealer for the price of race bikes when you obviously don't need race bikes. I guess I should start a thread...
Novel idea. Blast the local dealer for the price of race bikes when you obviously don't need race bikes. I guess I should start a thread, 'Just say no to four door dually prices.' and then bitch about the local Ford dealer being a crook because the sticker says 60k, when all I need a truck for is to tote my old bike around and haul off the trash...?
Valid point...many people who complain about bike prices are talking about race bikes...and they don't need race bikes because they don't race....they should be looking at the CRF line, rather than the CR. They should be looking at PW's rather than KTM SX's...prices comes way down at that point.

But I applaud the OP for getting his kids riding. We need more people to do that.

My son begs every day to ride his Crf50....He loves it. I bought it without a motor...and found a crf70 that had a crf 50 motor in it-weird how that all came together. I bought them both for $500...pulled the 50 motor in the 50...bought a new carb, and some new eletrical stuff...and i'm into this little 50 about $800. And its not pretty, but if you ask my son, it had just as well be a Factory CRf450R. He loves it that much. Sure I could have spent $4K on a race bike...but he doesn't need a race bike...yet. Smile Saved me a ton of money.
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4/19/2019 11:29am
mikec265 wrote:
We built a track and helped some other kids ride too. Instead of buying new bikes, a dually, and toy hauler... we rented a dozer, bought...
We built a track and helped some other kids ride too. Instead of buying new bikes, a dually, and toy hauler... we rented a dozer, bought a 100hp cab/loader tractor, discs, bottom plows, and a $400 5x8 enclosed trailer. None of it financed and we are sleeping better than the Jones families in the nearby subdivision.
slipdog wrote:
I picked up the PW80 2 weeks ago for an extra yard bike for other kids since it was cheap but both my kids love it...
I picked up the PW80 2 weeks ago for an extra yard bike for other kids since it was cheap but both my kids love it so I'm getting a second one this weekend and will keep the 2 CRF's, the PW50 and the Gina 110 as loners for anyone that wants to spin laps.

Good times!
PW80's are underrated!
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4/19/2019 11:40am
Chopin wrote:
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer...
Real question... What's more white trash putting your two-year old who can't even wipe their own ass on a motorcycle or publicly trashing the local dealer who's actually contributing to the growth of our sport?
You should take a long walk off a short pier.
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OP I agree with you on the out of control costs of this sport. Most people on Vital are proud of financing a new 450 every year, then putting on every after market part that the flashing Vital advertisements tell them to, then buying $1,500 worth of new gear.

Thanks for sharing your idea, I'm going to keep it in mind for my kid.
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