Any chance we can rally around Broc Tickle????

4/3/2019 2:48pm
Doesn't anyone find it funny that nobody from the industry is joining in your outcry? No Red Bull, no KTM, no Roger, hell, does the kid even have an agent? Everyone is making all of these assumptions. Do you know what he tested positive for? Do you know what concentration it was? I'm guessing you don't.
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4/3/2019 3:17pm
Come on guys....he’s one of us. Can be brainstorm for ideas or just bitch about shit?
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4/3/2019 3:18pm
Moto520 wrote:
i know that this subject has been discussed to death. Can we make enough noise to speed things up? Or....are we cool with Broc not racing...
i know that this subject has been discussed to death. Can we make enough noise to speed things up? Or....are we cool with Broc not racing? I get it....he tested positive for a banned substance. The length of the judgement process doesn't really work with me. He's a fellow racer.....can we help in any way? Anyone have any ideas?
I don't care much about what the punishment is, as long as there is a punishment.
Like many others I believe they shouldn't drag out the judgement process this long. It's a total joke.

The only way you, the fan can apply pressure is through Feld. Feld is the promoter, and the race belongs to them. They bring in the FIM, AMA, etc to add legitimacy to their racing series and the titles they award in each class.

If enough fans gave a shit about the justice process, maybe they would "speak with their wallets" to Feld.

We all know that isn't going to happen.
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4/3/2019 3:20pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2019 3:20pm
I have an idea. Don't fail drug test, don't get clipped. Let's rally behind that and see if it works!!! He can get a job at...
I have an idea. Don't fail drug test, don't get clipped. Let's rally behind that and see if it works!!! He can get a job at Walmart for all I care.
it's called Due Process.

sounds like the "only guilty people care about keeping things from the government" schtick.

take a hike
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4/3/2019 3:32pm
It just shows how much of a joke our sport is.

This is simple stuff here. He pissed dirty. No racing till a few consecutive clean piss tests. This dragging it out is way more than any punishment should've been for the trace amounts he allegedly had in his system. Hell, I could've pissed dirty for crack and already had my job back by now.
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4/3/2019 3:44pm
I have an idea. Don't fail drug test, don't get clipped. Let's rally behind that and see if it works!!! He can get a job at...
I have an idea. Don't fail drug test, don't get clipped. Let's rally behind that and see if it works!!! He can get a job at Walmart for all I care.
milliebays wrote:
it's called Due Process.

sounds like the "only guilty people care about keeping things from the government" schtick.

take a hike
Don't show your ignorance by trying to make it about politics. I don't give a shit about politics and it's not a court of law. There's no such thing as do process.
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4/3/2019 3:47pm
I have an idea. Don't fail drug test, don't get clipped. Let's rally behind that and see if it works!!! He can get a job at...
I have an idea. Don't fail drug test, don't get clipped. Let's rally behind that and see if it works!!! He can get a job at Walmart for all I care.
milliebays wrote:
it's called Due Process.

sounds like the "only guilty people care about keeping things from the government" schtick.

take a hike
Don't show your ignorance by trying to make it about politics. I don't give a shit about politics and it's not a court of law. There's...
Don't show your ignorance by trying to make it about politics. I don't give a shit about politics and it's not a court of law. There's no such thing as do process.
FIM is under jurisdiction of ECHR Articles 6 and 8 son.
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4/3/2019 4:08pm
MudPup545 wrote:
Your kid gets busted cheating on a test at school. The school board tells you take him/her home until punishment is decided. Over a year later...
Your kid gets busted cheating on a test at school. The school board tells you take him/her home until punishment is decided. Over a year later your kid is still at home waiting to hear what this punishment shall be. Now tell me how pissed you'd be as a parent? Still think the system is fair? Or would you be wanting answers? Is your kid still guilty of cheating? Yes. But the system is a joke. That is why so many people think this whole WADA/FIM thing is a cluster fuck.
Before voluntarily putting your kid in that school, they disclose to you that the integrity of their education system is paramount and if your kid is caught cheating they will be suspended from that particular school for 4 years. Only 2 years if you can prove your kid didn't intend to cheat. You enroll your kid knowing those rules. Your kid gets caught cheating, gets provisionally suspended, and 10 months later you get a hearing to determine whether the final suspension is 2 or 4 years. That would be an apples to apples comparison.

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Your kid gets busted cheating on a test at school. The school board tells you take him/her home until punishment is decided. Over a year later...
Your kid gets busted cheating on a test at school. The school board tells you take him/her home until punishment is decided. Over a year later your kid is still at home waiting to hear what this punishment shall be. Now tell me how pissed you'd be as a parent? Still think the system is fair? Or would you be wanting answers? Is your kid still guilty of cheating? Yes. But the system is a joke. That is why so many people think this whole WADA/FIM thing is a cluster fuck.
GrapeApe wrote:
Before voluntarily putting your kid in that school, they disclose to you that the integrity of their education system is paramount and if your kid is...
Before voluntarily putting your kid in that school, they disclose to you that the integrity of their education system is paramount and if your kid is caught cheating they will be suspended from that particular school for 4 years. Only 2 years if you can prove your kid didn't intend to cheat. You enroll your kid knowing those rules. Your kid gets caught cheating, gets provisionally suspended, and 10 months later you get a hearing to determine whether the final suspension is 2 or 4 years. That would be an apples to apples comparison.

I caught a kid cheating in a university class I was teaching. The kid had a hearing the next week, and found out that he'd fail the class and get a notation on his transcript. An appropriate punishment meted out in a reasonable amount of time. That's all anyone is asking for. If the rules or the governing body don't allow for that, then they are unjust and need to be changed.
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4/3/2019 4:54pm
What about the AMA? He is a card carrying member. Should the AMA be fighting for Broc?
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We can all boycott the FIM but not entering to race an AMA/FIM Supercross event, or an MXGP event. That'll show them.
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are you really this stupid? do you honestly think people are arguing for there to be no consequences?
IWreckALot wrote:
Honestly, shoulda given him the death penalty. Anything less is pussy.

Dick is here being a . . . well, you know.
You might wanna research what happens to Olympic athletes when they fail drug tests princess
The olympics is a bunch of shit sports I don’t care about. It makes sense you would want to model the disciplinary schedule based on crap sports.
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4/3/2019 6:16pm
MudPup545 wrote:
Your kid gets busted cheating on a test at school. The school board tells you take him/her home until punishment is decided. Over a year later...
Your kid gets busted cheating on a test at school. The school board tells you take him/her home until punishment is decided. Over a year later your kid is still at home waiting to hear what this punishment shall be. Now tell me how pissed you'd be as a parent? Still think the system is fair? Or would you be wanting answers? Is your kid still guilty of cheating? Yes. But the system is a joke. That is why so many people think this whole WADA/FIM thing is a cluster fuck.
GrapeApe wrote:
Before voluntarily putting your kid in that school, they disclose to you that the integrity of their education system is paramount and if your kid is...
Before voluntarily putting your kid in that school, they disclose to you that the integrity of their education system is paramount and if your kid is caught cheating they will be suspended from that particular school for 4 years. Only 2 years if you can prove your kid didn't intend to cheat. You enroll your kid knowing those rules. Your kid gets caught cheating, gets provisionally suspended, and 10 months later you get a hearing to determine whether the final suspension is 2 or 4 years. That would be an apples to apples comparison.

To this end, as a fan, if the options are what we have or the speculation of dirty riders, think I’ll take the dirty riders.

We have caught NOTHING in terms of performance enhancers. We have caught stuff that is common in the world and have outlier performance enhancement. Nothing like doping, steroids or other hardened PEDs.

TUE for Advil? Gtfo. They need to loosen what constitutes a “PED” and give a little more discretion to the sanctioning body for a punishment schedule.
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4/3/2019 6:22pm
Don't show your ignorance by trying to make it about politics. I don't give a shit about politics and it's not a court of law. There's...
Don't show your ignorance by trying to make it about politics. I don't give a shit about politics and it's not a court of law. There's no such thing as do process.
"Don't show your ignorance"

proceeds to misspell the word 'due' lmao I love this place sometimes. Y'all crack me the fuck up
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4/3/2019 6:51pm
Doesn't anyone find it funny that nobody from the industry is joining in your outcry? No Red Bull, no KTM, no Roger, hell, does the kid...
Doesn't anyone find it funny that nobody from the industry is joining in your outcry? No Red Bull, no KTM, no Roger, hell, does the kid even have an agent? Everyone is making all of these assumptions. Do you know what he tested positive for? Do you know what concentration it was? I'm guessing you don't.
Ummm, Davey Combs has spoken out MANY times. Other people in the industry have spoken out quite a bit. Roger has said that he believes a determination on the sentence has taken too long. So no, I wouldn’t expect many to find it funny.
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4/3/2019 7:18pm
Moto520 wrote:
Come on guys....he’s one of us. Can be brainstorm for ideas or just bitch about shit?
No idea what his punishment should be but totally think He deserves to know and should have been ruled on months ago.

I don't think we can do much if DC and Dingman have already tried to get it resolved.

The FIM is and was such a corrupt cluster fk I'm sure Tickle is the least of their worries.
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4/3/2019 7:21pm
So far my only takeaway from this thread is that dickjackson170 chose his screen name well.
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4/3/2019 7:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2019 7:38pm
Just so we are all clear, his one sample was tested twice in a different facility as to eliminate the possibility of contamination on the equipment as this does happen.

He did not piss twice on two separate times and have a positive result twice... there is a difference.

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4/3/2019 7:38pm
Tickle back this summer possibly- some talks on pulp past few weeks.
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4/3/2019 7:53pm
Yeah pretty damn sad when a few movie stars get popped funding their kids through the pre requisites of some local universities here in the last few weeks and they are due to be in court next week and in jail by the end of the year for “cheating” the system. The FIM is a friggin joke.

Should he be punished, yes!
Should he know the punishment, yes (months ago) it’s that friggin simple!
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4/3/2019 8:39pm
The timeframe is unacceptable. The riders deserve better treatment than this. A non-blatent violation like this does not warrant all that much of a punishment. Broc worked his whole life to get to the point where he can earn a living racing a dirt bike. He made it! Sign an agreement with a testing company that gives an accurate timeframe for a punishment. As the promoter....don’t put these guys in a position to get banished like this. The riders, team managers, and manufacturers should be putting hard pressure on the FIM to immediately correct this disaster. WADA can really mess up our sport if we let them. More professionalism is needed in this situation.

Lets make some noise. If you currently ride and race....think about how much of this is bullshit and how one of us is getting screwed.
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From RacerX in the most recent issue:


BROC TICKLE IS WALKING through the pits at the Daytona Supercross, visiting with old friends and teammates, signing the occasional autograph, and just catching up with a sport he’s dedicated almost his entire life to. Tickle, 29, used to be a factory rider for the Red Bull KTM team. One year ago at this time, he was the eighth-ranked rider in the series, just a few points behind Cooper Webb, who was then with Monster Energy Yamaha. Now Webb has Tickle’s spot at KTM and holds the 2019 series points lead. Tickle, of course, is no longer ranked, because he’s not allowed to race. He’s been on provisional suspension since April 13, 2018. By the time you read this, his suspension will have dragged on almost a full year. He’s unemployed, with an uncertain future; as a professional athlete, time is not on his side. He’s also still waiting for his day in court.

Waiting For Answers

As Americans, there is a legal assumption that we are innocent until proven guilty. But in the world of WADA and drug-testing, adverse analytical findings (i.e., failing a drug test) flip that script, and you begin as guilty—the smoking gun is already in your system.

2018 Monster Energy AMA Supercross season

In the early weeks of the 2018 Monster Energy AMA Supercross season, Broc Tickle was battling for top-five finishes as a Red Bull KTM factory rider. Then came a random drug test at the San Diego round. Six weeks later, he was provisionally suspended by the FIM.


On February 13, 2018, Tickle finished fifth at the San Diego Supercross. Afterward, he was one of ten riders tested by the FIM as part of their anti-doping procedures. Six weeks later, just before the press-day ride at the Minneapolis SX, Tickle received an email from the FIM legal department telling him he was provisionally suspended, effective immediately. He had tested positive for the stimulant methylhexaneamine, which is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). It’s the same stimulant that Australian road racer Anthony West tested positive for in 2012. West was at first suspended by the FIM for one month, but then WADA asked for a harsher sentence before the Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS). Despite an appeal by West, he was ultimately suspended for 18 months.

Tickle says he never saw it coming, and his search for answers began immediately. “I read [the email] and I was like, you’ve got to be kidding me. I called the team, I called Aldon [Baker], I called everybody,” he says. As the stadium’s parking lot filled up with big rigs, Tickle flew home to get himself tested in a lab. He says he tested clean and in accordance with the WADA code. He had the supplements he was taking at the time tested; they also checked out.

As a Red Bull KTM rider, Tickle was living and working out at Aldon Baker’s Florida training facility alongside his teammate Marvin Musquin, soon-to-be 2018 AMA Supercross Champion Jason Anderson, and more. Both Tickle and Baker claimed to have no previous knowledge of methylhexaneamine—Baker said he had to Google it to even figure out that it was a banned stimulant. To this day, both say they have no idea how it got into Tickle’s system; Baker says that any supplements his riders take are tested by an independent lab so he knows exactly what’s in them.


Tickle’s long, gradual rise in the sport—from 450cc privateer in 2006, to 250cc West Region Supercross Champion in 2011, to 450cc factory rider—made him one of the more respected veterans in the SX/MX paddock.
Methylhexaneamine is the substance that baseball player Marcus Stroman tested positive for in 2012. He received a 50-game suspension—less than one-third of a full Major League Baseball season, though Stroman was pitching in the minor leagues at the time, and MLB does not abide the WADA code’s draconian punishments. According to a report on Stroman’s case in the Toronto Star, “Methylhexaneamine is a nasal decongestant, but it’s also considered a stimulant. It is considered as a vasoconstrictor, increasing heart rate and blood pressure and sending more blood to the areas of the body that need it.

“But more recently, the compound has become a popular dietary supplement and is found in strength-conditioning and powder drinks, which help with training,” the newspaper adds. “The other problem with methylhexaneamine is that it isn’t always identified on the product.”

To this day, Tickle denies knowingly ingesting the banned substance, and he’s had all of the nearly dozen supplements he was taking at the time tested. He’s also been waiting in limbo for the FIM to get to his case, though there’s a line—privateer Cade Clason has been waiting in it since March 2017, when he tested positive for Adderall, the same medication that tripped up James Stewart and cost “the fastest man on the planet” 16 months in the twilight of his career.

“In my position, there’s not much I can do, and that’s what makes this so bad,” Tickle says of his growing frustration with the process. “I don’t really have any force behind me to tell them what to do or how to do it.”


The Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme, or FIM, is the governing body for international motorcycle sport, with affiliated national federations (including the AMA) in more than 100 countries. Ever since 2002, the AMA Supercross tour has been co-sanctioned by the FIM and designated with world championship status, despite the fact that the races are held exclusively in the United States (with the exception of occasional rounds in Toronto). This is the leftover splatter from the war between AMA Pro Racing and then-SX promoter Clear Channel over the rights to supercross. Even though that war ended and the promoters and the AMA got back together, the agreement with the FIM remained in place. It was decided that the rulebook would be almost entirely written by the AMA, with two exceptions: noise and fuel, the latter of which caused lots of headaches about 15 years ago when both Chad Reed and Ricky Carmichael were penalized for having too much lead in their fuel.

The FIM has a sporting code that governs competition, a medical code, an environmental one, and a disciplinary and arbitration code. A decade ago, the FIM decided to join forces with WADA for anti-doping in all of their world championship events. That anti-doping code has now tripped up three supercross athletes: Stewart, Clason, and Tickle. In all three cases, the FIM seemed to slow-walk the due process usually afforded to athletes, as time is of the essence when you have a relatively short career span.

Tickle has been waiting in limbo for the FIM to get to his case, though there’s a line—privateer Cade Clason has been waiting in it since March 2017.

For comparison’s sake, consider this: In the time since Tickle tested positive, New England Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman failed a drug test on June 11, 2018, received a hearing, was suspended for the first four games of the season, served that suspension, returned to the field, and helped the Patriots win the Super Bowl on February 3, 2019. Edelman was also named the MVP of the championship game.
While three AMA Supercross riders have been suspended for using banned substances, there have been no known positive tests for MXGP, which raises the question: Is there a baked-in bias against AMA-based riders within the FIM? Well, what are the statistical possibilities that, from a group of 90 riders entered in the 2018 FIM Motocross of Nations at RedBud, eight were randomly selected for fuel testing, and of those eight, all three members of Team USA were among them? Answer: 1 in about 949,000. That might make sense if you’re Broc Tickle and dealing with them, but it doesn’t make sense to rank-and-file members of the AMA and fans of AMA Supercross, who have seen a lot of FIM overreach throughout the years.

Tickle is a Alpinestars rider and have a few other sponsors

Tickle is no longer a Red Bull KTM factory rider, as the team parted ways with him following the positive drug test. But Alpinestars and a few other sponsors have stuck with him through this whole process, and he hopes to repay them by getting back out on the track and in the results.

It was all enough to catch the attention of AMA President Rob Dingman, who since December has been on the FIM board. Dingman wrote last fall in his column for the AMA’s American Motorcyclist magazine, “The extent to which American fans may have a less than favorable opinion of the FIM directly corresponds to the FIM’s handling of these cases.” That came just before the early December ’18 election to replace outgoing president Vito Ippolito—who was not exactly known for his ethics or integrity. Dingman hinted, “There will no doubt be changes brought about by a new administration. Hopefully, some of those changes might even improve the image of the FIM here in the United States.”

Jorge Viegas of Portugal, a former racer long known to a be a staunch anti-corruption advocate, was deputy president under Ippolito and even ran against him in 2014 because he didn’t like the way the Venezuelan treated member federations.

By the New Year, Dingman was ready to take the gloves off. In a scathing farewell to the outgoing FIM president, he wrote: “It was during Ippolito’s tenure that the FIM interrupted James Stewart’s career, arguably prematurely ending it, by its mishandling of his suspension for the presence of a prohibited substance (Adderall) for which Stewart was later granted a therapeutic use exemption. It took eight months for Stewart to even get an FIM hearing and the 16-month suspension he received was ridiculous, particularly in light of how poor the FIM’s process was.”
Dingman went on to explain that, in his opinion, the previous FIM administration was vindictive of members who sided with Viegas when he ran against Ippolito, and that included the AMA. So it should have come as no surprise that, soon upon taking over, Viegas cleaned house, including firing the FIM’s CEO, Steve Aeschlimann, as well as the deputy CEO and lawyer, Richard Perret—the man whose desk seemed to be where all of these cases stalled.

“Similar to the situation with James Stewart, these individuals were ultimately responsible for the mishandling of the suspension of Broc Tickle, for the presence of a banned substance,” Dingman alleged. “FIM Medical Director David McManus has taken all of the heat publicly for the FIM’s mishandling of Tickle’s case but the reality is that the blame rests squarely with the FIM attorney who prevented Tickle from getting the due process he should have been afforded.” Dingman added that the previous FIM administration’s “ineptitude” wasn’t limited to Tickle’s case, and that the first order of business now is “looking at these outstanding cases and getting them adjudicated.”

WHITHER CBD OILS?

One of the hot-button topics of an already intriguing 2019 season has been the question of whether riders and race teams can partner with cannabidiol-related companies. In case you haven’t heard, CBD oils are a byproduct of hemp, which is a form of cannabis. The CBD oil products in question don’t have THC—which is what gets people high—are believed to have many medicinal benefits, and are rapidly growing in popularity. Riders like Dean Wilson and Chad Reed already have personal sponsorship deals lined up with Ignite and cbdMD, respectively, and soon many more will,

CBD Oils as the recent Farm Bill signed into legislation will soon make these hemp products—again, the kind without THC—legal across the country (with restrictions and regulations). But not soon enough for the level of comfort required for Feld or the AMA or MX Sports Pro Racing or even NBC to allow them to freely advertise their logos on the riders’ gear or race bikes. Because the laws haven’t changed completely in every state, at least in regard to CBD with THC, what’s legal in California is not necessarily legal right next door in Arizona. And because the TV signal does not stop at state lines, it was decided in February that no CBD-related sponsorship would be allowed in the pits or paddock—let alone on the track—in Monster Energy AMA Supercross. Both Wilson and Reed have had fun skirting the restrictions with clever logo covers, videos, social media posts with hashtags like #censored and #FreeIgnite, and just showing off the products away from the track. Come summer, things should be a little more lenient, as legal hemp-related logos will be allowed on team rigs and awnings and whatnot in the paddock—just not out on the Lucas Oil Pro Motocross racetracks. It’s a baby step that’s meant to allow the network, sanctioning body, and race promoters to allow this growing industry (pardon the pun) to continue to garner mainstream acceptance without the riders and race teams completely missing out on new fields of potential sponsorship revenue.

While he waits for his ultimate fate with the International Disciplinary Court, Tickle has been training on his mountain bike, doing riding schools, and staying abreast of his case online. He’s also attended several races as a spectator to visit old friends and keep his face out there.


Broc Tickle is adamant that he has no idea how the banned stimulant methylhexaneamine got into his system. As a result, he could face as long as a four-year suspension when his case is finally settled, though something closer to 18 months could be in the offing, going by previous penalties.

On New Year’s Day, the frustrated Tickle posted on Instagram: “It’s hard to believe it’s been almost nine months since I was issued my provisional suspension. I’m beyond dissatisfied that @fimlive and @supercrosslive has yet to issue me a hearing date, and has not handled things in the right manner. I have suffered enough wondering what’s next and this has taking a toll on myself, family and friends. It is now clear that the FIM and @supercrosslive are conspiring to intentionally and unlawfully interfere with my fundamental rights and ability to make a living.” It got over 12,000 likes.

Meanwhile, the highly respected Tony Skillington, a longtime advocate for riders in his nearly 30 years on the FIM’s motocross commission, was named CEO. When asked about Broc Tickle in a February 22 interview with Geoff Meyer of MX Large, Skillington replied, “All I can say in regard to Tickle, it is top of the list at the moment, and every effort is being made to bring this case to a conclusion.”

As for the AMA, Dingman was named a member of the FIM executive board, a powerful and influential role. However, he said he was not there to argue the facts of Tickle’s case or anyone else’s, but rather “to make sure these guys get a fair shake from the FIM and a much more efficient process. It’s up to the riders and trainers to educate themselves on the WADA code and know what they are eating and drinking at any given time.”

And here’s where things get really complicated for Tickle and his defense. As Americans, there is a legal assumption that we are innocent until proven guilty. But in the world of WADA and drug-testing, adverse analytical findings (i.e., failing a drug test) flip that script, and you begin as guilty—the smoking gun is already in your system. It’s then up to the athlete to explain how the banned substance got there, and the better the explanation and cooperation, the more likely the suspension will come down from the maximum of four years. In six previous cases involving positive tests for methylhexaneamine on the USADA website, the suspensions ranged from two years to just three months.

As we were going to print, on Wednesday, March 20—13 months after the initial positive test—Tickle was granted a hearing with the CDI to go over his case. Afterward, he was given a two-week window to provide further evidence and materials possibly related to how the banned substance got into his system. The wheels of justice were finally turning for him. Broc Tickle was still waiting for answers.


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FIM = FAIL

It sure sounds like Dingman has taken the bull by the horns.
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Lucifa. wrote:
No. He pissed hot twice and has to pay the price.
Ted722 wrote:
His hot piss was tested twice. The 450 class needs more riders. Let him race!
From what I read, he only pissed once, and they tested the same stuff twice.

Am I wrong on that?


THE FIM IS A JOKE!!! This is BS, give him his penalty and lets move on!!! It shouldn't take a year to figure out.
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Lucifa. wrote:
No. He pissed hot twice and has to pay the price.
Ted722 wrote:
His hot piss was tested twice. The 450 class needs more riders. Let him race!
dimetime wrote:
Don't give one shit about cheaters. The bigher question is why is everyone so damn weak? What is with this bullshit? The guy pissed hot. So...
Don't give one shit about cheaters.

The bigher question is why is everyone so damn weak? What is with this bullshit?

The guy pissed hot. So sorry.
Because here in the states we have due process. Brocs situation is equal to getting arrested and not getting a trial and being left in the county jail. Here in the states you get arrested, get the trial, and do your time in a speedy manner. Anything else is not acceptable.
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4/4/2019 7:05am Edited Date/Time 4/4/2019 7:06am
MPJC wrote:
This is bang on. Any organization that can't have a hearing within a reasonable amount of time is either incompetent, understaffed, or just doesn't give a...
This is bang on. Any organization that can't have a hearing within a reasonable amount of time is either incompetent, understaffed, or just doesn't give a shit. I don't know what precisely constitutes "reasonable" but 14 months isn't it.
Even criminals in the US are supposed to be guaranteed a speedy trial. Too bad Broc can't get that same courtesy. If he is guilty, provide a punishment that is reasonable and prudent; then let him move forward. If WADA/FIM isn't capable of holding a hearing, and issuing a judgement by now; they're either incompetent, lazy or just plain stupid. Perhaps a civil suit is in order for Broc against WADA and the FIM.
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4/4/2019 7:48am Edited Date/Time 4/4/2019 7:54am
I'm curious what explanation on "how the substance got in your system" effects the punishment. At that point, its hearsay. And the "how" doesn't seem to matter to WADA/USADA. It's 18 months minimum and I guess if you thumb your nose they can get butthurt and extend the 18 month penalty?

I forget the affiliation between FIM and AMA. Why is FIM even involved and can the AMA do anything to drop FIM? Can the FIM drop the WADA/USADA testing at any time?
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kb228 wrote:
Because here in the states we have due process. Brocs situation is equal to getting arrested and not getting a trial and being left in the...
Because here in the states we have due process. Brocs situation is equal to getting arrested and not getting a trial and being left in the county jail. Here in the states you get arrested, get the trial, and do your time in a speedy manner. Anything else is not acceptable.
Ha. Which country do you live in? In the US it is not unusual for it to take 2-3 years before you get a trial, or more likely a final plea deal.
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