Ready for a Chinese 250 2-Stroke MX'er?

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Autotech1957 9/20/2018 6:56pm
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This country is domed. The collective intelligence of this boards most frequent posters is sad. 1. NEW BIKES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE! 2. Chinese bikes are junk...
This country is domed. The collective intelligence of this boards most frequent posters is sad.

1. NEW BIKES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE!

2. Chinese bikes are junk because they are too cheap...oh wait...too expensive...oh wait? Let me think about it some more...

It seems 97% of you can't comprehend the concept of a TRAIL BIKE! NOT A 100' jumping murdercosser. There are a lot more casual trail riders out there than hard-core MX riders. But don't pay attention to me. WTF do I know.
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What do you expect when the trail market of bikes has all but evaporated or turned into a hybrid based off the mx bike. Whole generation...
What do you expect when the trail market of bikes has all but evaporated or turned into a hybrid based off the mx bike.

Whole generation of riders don’t know the magic of a xr100, 250, or 400
Exactly! My all time favorite bike was 1978 IT175. Probably put 10K miles on it. Air-cooled maybe 25 HP after serious mods. But fun factor was off the charts. These Chinese bikes seem to have great suspension FOR WHAT THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR. Trail riding/play bike stuff.

I'll buy one of these next spring if my work situation stays stable. I ain't skeered.
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I'm going to head to wal mart in the morning and pick up my meds, a pair of sneakers, some pajamas, cool aid, potato chips, and...
I'm going to head to wal mart in the morning and pick up my meds, a pair of sneakers, some pajamas, cool aid, potato chips, and a two stroke.
I wonder if I can order one at wal mart com.
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Isn’t Jeff Willoh an age class champion in the WORCS series on a Chinese/Honda copy?
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Autotech1957 wrote:
Exactly! My all time favorite bike was 1978 IT175. Probably put 10K miles on it. Air-cooled maybe 25 HP after serious mods. But fun factor was...
Exactly! My all time favorite bike was 1978 IT175. Probably put 10K miles on it. Air-cooled maybe 25 HP after serious mods. But fun factor was off the charts. These Chinese bikes seem to have great suspension FOR WHAT THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR. Trail riding/play bike stuff.

I'll buy one of these next spring if my work situation stays stable. I ain't skeered.
The off-the-truck capability isn't the issue. For $5k+ say you ride it for a season then it needs sprockets, brake pads, fork seals, wheel bearings, starter solenoid, maybe ignition, maybe starter. That's not even getting into topend and gaskets. Will the parts be available? It's the same problem with the small European brands, they may be wonderful bikes, but what is it like to live with?

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oldblood 9/20/2018 7:22pm
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Isn’t Jeff Willoh an age class champion in the WORCS series on a Chinese/Honda copy?
Haven't heard his name in a while. Whatever happened to Chris Neal? He was fast.
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Autotech1957 9/20/2018 7:34pm
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Exactly! My all time favorite bike was 1978 IT175. Probably put 10K miles on it. Air-cooled maybe 25 HP after serious mods. But fun factor was...
Exactly! My all time favorite bike was 1978 IT175. Probably put 10K miles on it. Air-cooled maybe 25 HP after serious mods. But fun factor was off the charts. These Chinese bikes seem to have great suspension FOR WHAT THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR. Trail riding/play bike stuff.

I'll buy one of these next spring if my work situation stays stable. I ain't skeered.
early wrote:
The off-the-truck capability isn't the issue. For $5k+ say you ride it for a season then it needs sprockets, brake pads, fork seals, wheel bearings, starter...
The off-the-truck capability isn't the issue. For $5k+ say you ride it for a season then it needs sprockets, brake pads, fork seals, wheel bearings, starter solenoid, maybe ignition, maybe starter. That's not even getting into topend and gaskets. Will the parts be available? It's the same problem with the small European brands, they may be wonderful bikes, but what is it like to live with?
It's a KTM with Yamaha engine. Shouldn't be too hard to find parts. Pitster has been in business quite a while. Doubt they are going anywhere.
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outerlimits 9/21/2018 8:16am
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Autotech1957 wrote:
Exactly! My all time favorite bike was 1978 IT175. Probably put 10K miles on it. Air-cooled maybe 25 HP after serious mods. But fun factor was...
Exactly! My all time favorite bike was 1978 IT175. Probably put 10K miles on it. Air-cooled maybe 25 HP after serious mods. But fun factor was off the charts. These Chinese bikes seem to have great suspension FOR WHAT THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR. Trail riding/play bike stuff.

I'll buy one of these next spring if my work situation stays stable. I ain't skeered.
early wrote:
The off-the-truck capability isn't the issue. For $5k+ say you ride it for a season then it needs sprockets, brake pads, fork seals, wheel bearings, starter...
The off-the-truck capability isn't the issue. For $5k+ say you ride it for a season then it needs sprockets, brake pads, fork seals, wheel bearings, starter solenoid, maybe ignition, maybe starter. That's not even getting into topend and gaskets. Will the parts be available? It's the same problem with the small European brands, they may be wonderful bikes, but what is it like to live with?
All those parts are available right from the distributor. Many of the parts also cross over from other bikes. The 2-stroke already has a 262-page thread on Advrider with a number of happy owners. Have not heard a single buyer note any disappointment in that bike. Gotta get past comparing it to a 250 EXC or YZX though. Parts will never be as easy to find as for those bikes and let's be honest, this bike was intended for trails, not the track.
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mattyhamz2 9/21/2018 8:28am
9/21/2018 8:28am
Well, if anyone is interested I'm now a brand ambassador for GPX and have a discount code for product haha
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Autotech1957 wrote:
This country is domed. The collective intelligence of this boards most frequent posters is sad. 1. NEW BIKES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE! 2. Chinese bikes are junk...
This country is domed. The collective intelligence of this boards most frequent posters is sad.

1. NEW BIKES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE!

2. Chinese bikes are junk because they are too cheap...oh wait...too expensive...oh wait? Let me think about it some more...

It seems 97% of you can't comprehend the concept of a TRAIL BIKE! NOT A 100' jumping murdercosser. There are a lot more casual trail riders out there than hard-core MX riders. But don't pay attention to me. WTF do I know.
How can the country be domed if the earth is flat?

I mean, dude, yo, come on...

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ATKpilot99 9/21/2018 8:37am
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The fact you need a key to start it would bother me....It's unseemly.
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Autotech1957 wrote:
Exactly! My all time favorite bike was 1978 IT175. Probably put 10K miles on it. Air-cooled maybe 25 HP after serious mods. But fun factor was...
Exactly! My all time favorite bike was 1978 IT175. Probably put 10K miles on it. Air-cooled maybe 25 HP after serious mods. But fun factor was off the charts. These Chinese bikes seem to have great suspension FOR WHAT THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR. Trail riding/play bike stuff.

I'll buy one of these next spring if my work situation stays stable. I ain't skeered.
early wrote:
The off-the-truck capability isn't the issue. For $5k+ say you ride it for a season then it needs sprockets, brake pads, fork seals, wheel bearings, starter...
The off-the-truck capability isn't the issue. For $5k+ say you ride it for a season then it needs sprockets, brake pads, fork seals, wheel bearings, starter solenoid, maybe ignition, maybe starter. That's not even getting into topend and gaskets. Will the parts be available? It's the same problem with the small European brands, they may be wonderful bikes, but what is it like to live with?
In the last 15 years have has several GasGas, TM, Italian Husky, Beta and parts have never been an issue....beauty of the 'net for us odd-ballers that love the different brands
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bultokid 9/21/2018 9:20am
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You guys are right on with we need a play bike for those that haven't made into full blown moto-head yet. Biggest problem by far with the industry is where can a kid ride these days ? Grew up in Houston and early 70's damn near every kid had some form of play bike and we could ride basically anywhere and no one cared, especially around all the bayous and such here. I never see kids riding anywhere anymore, heck when I fire mine up after working on it the cops show up quick if run it more than few minutes
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outerlimits 9/21/2018 12:15pm
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You guys are right on with we need a play bike for those that haven't made into full blown moto-head yet. Biggest problem by far with...
You guys are right on with we need a play bike for those that haven't made into full blown moto-head yet. Biggest problem by far with the industry is where can a kid ride these days ? Grew up in Houston and early 70's damn near every kid had some form of play bike and we could ride basically anywhere and no one cared, especially around all the bayous and such here. I never see kids riding anywhere anymore, heck when I fire mine up after working on it the cops show up quick if run it more than few minutes
Sadly, most kids seem to be more into their cell phones and internet gaming. I don't think they will typically decide to do it on their own unless they have a family that is involved in it in some way. I got my son into it at a fairly young age and he loves it. He's my #1 riding partner now days and will be until dad can no longer keep up. We've had some great riding adventures that I wish I could have shared with my dad, but it was never his thing.
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Autotech1957 9/21/2018 12:29pm
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You guys are right on with we need a play bike for those that haven't made into full blown moto-head yet. Biggest problem by far with...
You guys are right on with we need a play bike for those that haven't made into full blown moto-head yet. Biggest problem by far with the industry is where can a kid ride these days ? Grew up in Houston and early 70's damn near every kid had some form of play bike and we could ride basically anywhere and no one cared, especially around all the bayous and such here. I never see kids riding anywhere anymore, heck when I fire mine up after working on it the cops show up quick if run it more than few minutes
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Sadly, most kids seem to be more into their cell phones and internet gaming. I don't think they will typically decide to do it on their...
Sadly, most kids seem to be more into their cell phones and internet gaming. I don't think they will typically decide to do it on their own unless they have a family that is involved in it in some way. I got my son into it at a fairly young age and he loves it. He's my #1 riding partner now days and will be until dad can no longer keep up. We've had some great riding adventures that I wish I could have shared with my dad, but it was never his thing.
Plus the fact my first two new bikes, both full sized Yamaha, were under $1000. Kids just don't have the income now. Lots of us old folks have taken their entry level jobs too. Plus they just don't seem to want to work to start with. Everyone gets a trophy has created a class of people that expect to make huge dollars in their first job.
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Autotech1957 wrote:
This country is domed. The collective intelligence of this boards most frequent posters is sad. 1. NEW BIKES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE! 2. Chinese bikes are junk...
This country is domed. The collective intelligence of this boards most frequent posters is sad.

1. NEW BIKES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE!

2. Chinese bikes are junk because they are too cheap...oh wait...too expensive...oh wait? Let me think about it some more...

It seems 97% of you can't comprehend the concept of a TRAIL BIKE! NOT A 100' jumping murdercosser. There are a lot more casual trail riders out there than hard-core MX riders. But don't pay attention to me. WTF do I know.
Where can I get a look at this dome that you speak of?
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Autotech1957 wrote:
This country is domed. The collective intelligence of this boards most frequent posters is sad. 1. NEW BIKES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE! 2. Chinese bikes are junk...
This country is domed. The collective intelligence of this boards most frequent posters is sad.

1. NEW BIKES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE!

2. Chinese bikes are junk because they are too cheap...oh wait...too expensive...oh wait? Let me think about it some more...

It seems 97% of you can't comprehend the concept of a TRAIL BIKE! NOT A 100' jumping murdercosser. There are a lot more casual trail riders out there than hard-core MX riders. But don't pay attention to me. WTF do I know.
Why would I pay that price for a Chinese bike that will have ZERO resale when I can buy a better used bike for $2500-3000?
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You guys are right on with we need a play bike for those that haven't made into full blown moto-head yet. Biggest problem by far with...
You guys are right on with we need a play bike for those that haven't made into full blown moto-head yet. Biggest problem by far with the industry is where can a kid ride these days ? Grew up in Houston and early 70's damn near every kid had some form of play bike and we could ride basically anywhere and no one cared, especially around all the bayous and such here. I never see kids riding anywhere anymore, heck when I fire mine up after working on it the cops show up quick if run it more than few minutes
outerlimits wrote:
Sadly, most kids seem to be more into their cell phones and internet gaming. I don't think they will typically decide to do it on their...
Sadly, most kids seem to be more into their cell phones and internet gaming. I don't think they will typically decide to do it on their own unless they have a family that is involved in it in some way. I got my son into it at a fairly young age and he loves it. He's my #1 riding partner now days and will be until dad can no longer keep up. We've had some great riding adventures that I wish I could have shared with my dad, but it was never his thing.
Autotech1957 wrote:
Plus the fact my first two new bikes, both full sized Yamaha, were under $1000. Kids just don't have the income now. Lots of us old...
Plus the fact my first two new bikes, both full sized Yamaha, were under $1000. Kids just don't have the income now. Lots of us old folks have taken their entry level jobs too. Plus they just don't seem to want to work to start with. Everyone gets a trophy has created a class of people that expect to make huge dollars in their first job.
But a $5,000 Chinese dirtbike is somehow affordable? If it was $1500-$2000 that would be a compelling argument for something like this. The biggest problem with the sport is that Dad's aren't introducing their kids to fun motorcycling as much as they used to.
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I see you are from the netherlands. Where can you buy a brand new japanese 125 for $5k? A 2019 yamaha 125 is 7800 euro (over 8k dollars), i cannot imagine a new unsold 2017 or 2018 model (if available) being 3k cheaper.

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But a $5,000 Chinese dirtbike is somehow affordable? If it was $1500-$2000 that would be a compelling argument for something like this. The biggest problem with...
But a $5,000 Chinese dirtbike is somehow affordable? If it was $1500-$2000 that would be a compelling argument for something like this. The biggest problem with the sport is that Dad's aren't introducing their kids to fun motorcycling as much as they used to.
Thats what $1500k lower then a yamaha? Yeah i dont see that working for chinese quality.

If it was one of the top 6 OEMs re-introducing a 2000 model (like the 2000 suzuki RM 125) as a play bike or one make introductionary class then yes i do think the $1500 advantage would help. Or a new oem but with similar quality in product. Especially if they would only allow standard bikes in this one make class (= no $3k upgrades in forks, engine mods and pipes). And limit running costs by detune/ limit rpms and hp a bit so that lifetime of the engine is improved.

Something like this worked great in karting with the rotax max class.

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roninho wrote:
I see you are from the netherlands. Where can you buy a brand new japanese 125 for $5k? A 2019 yamaha 125 is 7800 euro (over...
I see you are from the netherlands. Where can you buy a brand new japanese 125 for $5k? A 2019 yamaha 125 is 7800 euro (over 8k dollars), i cannot imagine a new unsold 2017 or 2018 model (if available) being 3k cheaper.
i bought a yz 125 2018 in march for 5700€
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Bruce372 wrote:
Aren't we supposed to be making America great again? How come we aren't building these in the Midwest?
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Because it will cost 3 times as much.
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i thought the country voted in the people that were all about removing the minimum wage, and work place regulations? Surely if we do that, someone...
i thought the country voted in the people that were all about removing the minimum wage, and work place regulations? Surely if we do that, someone can setup sweatshops in Wisconsin to make cheap dirtbikes?
You aren’t too smart are you?
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GPX apparently has a 550 two stroke available too or very soon, saw an instagram post on another site.
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For what it's worth, I bought my son a TaoTao 4 stroke, semi auto 90cc dirt bike, brand new for $600.00 CDN (so around $12.73 US Dollars). I'm not saying it's an engineering marvel, but it starts first kick, every single time. Even after sitting in an unheated garage untouched all winter, it fires up first or second kick. He rode it for 3 years, and now my daughter has ridden it for 2. Very light usage. Mainly dirt roads at our camp, and trail riding. Have had 2 issues with it. The heat shield on the exhaust broke (one of the nuts welded to the pipe came off, very easy fix) and the 2 rear plastics broke at their attach points. Again, very easy fix with a couple of pop-rivets.

This bike was worth every single penny I paid for it, and will sell it in the spring to recoup some coin. My son is now on a DRZ-125 ($2700.00 brand new) and my daughter will most likely be getting another 'knock-off', as she doesn't ride much.

My point is, if these cheap bikes get kids interested in the sport, and off electronics, isn't it worth it??
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oldschoolmxer 9/25/2018 10:06am
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Bruce372 wrote:
Aren't we supposed to be making America great again? How come we aren't building these in the Midwest?
America has always been great my friend.
oldschool84 10/2/2018 5:23pm
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I wonder how it would compare to say.. a KDX 200/220.
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oldschool84 wrote:
I wonder how it would compare to say.. a KDX 200/220.
Pretty darn close I'd say...
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oldschool84 wrote:
I wonder how it would compare to say.. a KDX 200/220.
BR8ES wrote:
Pretty darn close I'd say...
KDXs were cheaper. Even in 2018 dollars.
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The last KDX220 would be $5800 today if left completely unchanged from 2005. Still would be a nice bike to have at that price, but no estart, no autolube, no counterbalancer, conventional forks, ancient handling. With that said, I'd likely still line up to buy one of those new if Kawi still made them. Probably one of the best pure trail bikes ever made and one they never should have stopped making.
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oldschool84 wrote:
I wonder how it would compare to say.. a KDX 200/220.
BR8ES wrote:
Pretty darn close I'd say...
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KDXs were cheaper. Even in 2018 dollars.
Didn't think that was part of the question... don't care either since the KDX is longer made.

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