Nico Izzi in trouble in Arkansas now...

blockhead17 wrote:

this seems to be a place for people to come and try and validate how great they are, I don’t drink, I never took drugs, I...

this seems to be a place for people to come and try and validate how great they are, I don’t drink, I never took drugs, I didn’t become addicted etc etc

Guess what, you aren’t Nico Izzy either!

Your opinion is the equivalent to a homeless person giving a homeowner mortgage advice...

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

We blame the driver when somebody kills somebody else in a drunk driving accident. We blame the smoker when they die of lung cancer. But some...

We blame the driver when somebody kills somebody else in a drunk driving accident. We blame the smoker when they die of lung cancer. But some people think we cant blame the addict when they die of an overdose, or end up in jail. Why is that? It's like they are some type of protected class now because there's an opioid epidemic going on.

plowboy wrote:

I can't speak for others but I never said that when an addicts behavior crosses over into the realm of illegality that proper measures shouldn't be...

I can't speak for others but I never said that when an addicts behavior crosses over into the realm of illegality that proper measures shouldn't be taken to protect the populace. But there should be some real thought, on a national level, about prevention and effective rehab...what we have now ain't working and it's breaking the bank.

I can tell you for true...one's attitude changes when the addict is your wife, kid, brother, etc. If you deal with that...I don't know how you can look at a stranger in the same situation and chuck that person in the trash.

It's easy to be a black and white hard ass, That's what we humans do best cause we like things easy. Seeing that the world is technicolor and more complex than we can understand in a lifetime...that's tough....and scary for some folks.

mister2dt wrote:

My sons mother went in to post pardum depression when he was born. Deep depression. Triggered her bi polar, borderline personality. I traveled for work at...

My sons mother went in to post pardum depression when he was born. Deep depression. Triggered her bi polar, borderline personality. I traveled for work at that time. Had been saving money to build my mr2 turbo. When i finally had my ledger at the number i needed to do the build, i went to my bank to pull it out of savings and put it in checking so i could start blowing money on my car.

Walk in my bank and find out i was broke..... she had spent over 150k in just over a year. The woman who was a finance genius for a multi million dollar music store and production company. Where did it all go? Cocaine, xanax, lorcets, meth.... friends in need, you name it.

I come home amd confront her about it. She laughs it off and admits to it all. Did not give a rats ass. This was my wife. Turns out she was banging 3 of my neighbors as well. We lived in a nice area, not the hood. Everyone was married. Put her in rehab. She met another pill head there. Got out, came home, stsrted all over again. Same thing. Divorced her. Her mom put her in rehab 4 more times over the next 6 years. She stole almost a quarter mil from her mom and her brother forging checks and stealing credit cards. That was 2002. She lives in a hotel now, her second kid lives with her mom. She turns tricks for meth and calls my son for “bus fare for a dr appointment” about once every 2 months. Cusses him out when he says no.

Granted, she has serious mental health issues, but she clearly has made a choice to be a junky. She wasnt born that way. Didnt get injured and addicted. She chose to use

blockhead17 wrote:

this seems to be a place for people to come and try and validate how great they are, I don’t drink, I never took drugs, I...

this seems to be a place for people to come and try and validate how great they are, I don’t drink, I never took drugs, I didn’t become addicted etc etc

Guess what, you aren’t Nico Izzy either!

Your opinion is the equivalent to a homeless person giving a homeowner mortgage advice...

blockhead17 wrote:

this seems to be a place for people to come and try and validate how great they are, I don’t drink, I never took drugs, I...

this seems to be a place for people to come and try and validate how great they are, I don’t drink, I never took drugs, I didn’t become addicted etc etc

Guess what, you aren’t Nico Izzy either!

Your opinion is the equivalent to a homeless person giving a homeowner mortgage advice...

omalley wrote:

Not necessarily. Can I give an opinion of what it’s like to be an addict? Nope, never been addicted (unless you count MX, lol...). However, I...

Not necessarily. Can I give an opinion of what it’s like to be an addict? Nope, never been addicted (unless you count MX, lol...). However, I can most certainly object to those who commit crime. The problem with our society in this area is that we continue to come up with reasons other than personal accountability to explain crime. Sorry, not buying it, not even with a coupon. Crime is crime, regardless of reason.

UpTiTe wrote:

Idiot? Lmao. Here's the thing, when he started to figure out that he was getting addicted to painkillers, he cried out to the people that were...

Idiot? Lmao.

Here's the thing, when he started to figure out that he was getting addicted to painkillers, he cried out to the people that were supposed to help him, they did nothing for him but fire him.

I'm not supporting him one bit, I think the kid belongs in prison, but that's not the point of my arguement.

My point is that everybody wants to hammer on this kid for the choice of being an addict, again he did not choose to be an addict. Everybody's hammering on how horrible of a kid this guy is, meanwhile in another thread a guy kills himself and he's a hero with exactly the same additions.

DonM wrote:

I get what you're saying and who you are saying it about...but at 17 where was Nico's family? They are the ones at that age that...

I get what you're saying and who you are saying it about...but at 17 where was Nico's family? They are the ones at that age that are supposed to be there to help and they weren't there and made poor decisions that has affected Nico his life since...and I think of that hero every year around Christmas...

UpTiTe wrote:

His parents were at home in Michigan making a living, He was living in Corona in a condo. It was when he broke his foot really...

His parents were at home in Michigan making a living, He was living in Corona in a condo. It was when he broke his foot really bad.

I was told that he made a late night call one night to a few people when it all started crying, alone and in his mind suffering, he was told by the three people he needed most to suck it up. it all went bad from there. like I said, he reach out and nobody was there.

It didn't help that he had guys around him that got him what he wanted, when he wanted them. Mistakes were made by many when it came to managing him when he was young.

UpTiTe wrote:

After reading the majority of these post, it is very obvious that 99% of you have no idea what painkillers do to you or how you...

After reading the majority of these post, it is very obvious that 99% of you have no idea what painkillers do to you or how you can get addicted to them without even wanting to be.

magoo1982 wrote:

The U.S. is behind several other countries, when it comes to certain medical problems . They just don't want to admit it cause to many getting...

The U.S. is behind several other countries, when it comes to certain medical problems . They just don't want to admit it cause to many getting rich from it, in different medical fields .. I tried to help a cousin that became addicted to pain killers from work injury and bad advice from people he worked with.. The system to get help is set up to fail and just get the people hooked on what ever the particular program is pushing , then in some cases harder for the addicts to get off of what the program is pushing . If u have insurance they want u to keep coming back ..

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

We blame the driver when somebody kills somebody else in a drunk driving accident. We blame the smoker when they die of lung cancer. But some...

We blame the driver when somebody kills somebody else in a drunk driving accident. We blame the smoker when they die of lung cancer. But some people think we cant blame the addict when they die of an overdose, or end up in jail. Why is that? It's like they are some type of protected class now because there's an opioid epidemic going on.

steveada wrote:

You are wrong. 99% of people have taken opioid pain killers when they needed it for severe pain. They got great relief of their pain and...

You are wrong. 99% of people have taken opioid pain killers when they needed it for severe pain. They got great relief of their pain and stopped taking them when they didn't need to any more. So 99% of us know exactly what they do to you. It is actually quite rare for someone taking these medications to become addicted. Also, 80% of people who become addicted to prescription pain meds do not begin taking them because they were prescribed to them by a physician. They begin taking them illicitly.

Andy_Greenney wrote:

Its tough to fit healthcare in to capitalist model, its pays much better to treat than to cure.

Walter wrote:

I do not know a lot about Izzi's history or the genesis of his issues other than the widely varying facts presented on the boards. I...

I do not know a lot about Izzi's history or the genesis of his issues other than the widely varying facts presented on the boards. I do not have a dog in this particular fight. However, I have spent 47 years as a lawyer representing folks who have substance issues and who get into the criminal justice system. I have seen people succeed and have seen many fail.

Some of them get started on pills as a result of injury (most folks do curtail the painkiller use on their own post-injury). Some due to using other drugs and transitioning to others (sometimes for cost or availability reasons). Locally, I have seen a lot of folks get hooked on pills and then switch to heroin because it is cheaper on the street than Oxy. Many people have underlying personality disorders or other mental issues and self medicate.

One never recovers until they are clean and have the capacity to listen to some counseling for the drivers of the drug use. If they continue to use, the best mental health counseling with never get traction.

He needs to fully dry out...and sadly that too often happens in a custodial setting...and then he may have a chance if he can get some help to understand and deal with the drivers of his drug use. The bottom line is that it is solely up to him and no one else can do the job for him.

Until then...the music will keep playing and the merry go round will just keep going...until it usually has a tragic end.

Committing crimes is often one of the results of drug use. Folks need to be punished for the crimes, but some consideration should be given to what got them there and if it can be fixed. If it does not appear to be fixable (usually due to chronic recidivist behavior), judges just warehouse folks to protect the community.

UpTiTe wrote:

After reading the majority of these post, it is very obvious that 99% of you have no idea what painkillers do to you or how you...

After reading the majority of these post, it is very obvious that 99% of you have no idea what painkillers do to you or how you can get addicted to them without even wanting to be.

steveada wrote:

You are wrong. 99% of people have taken opioid pain killers when they needed it for severe pain. They got great relief of their pain and...

You are wrong. 99% of people have taken opioid pain killers when they needed it for severe pain. They got great relief of their pain and stopped taking them when they didn't need to any more. So 99% of us know exactly what they do to you. It is actually quite rare for someone taking these medications to become addicted. Also, 80% of people who become addicted to prescription pain meds do not begin taking them because they were prescribed to them by a physician. They begin taking them illicitly.

Walter wrote:

I do not know a lot about Izzi's history or the genesis of his issues other than the widely varying facts presented on the boards. I...

I do not know a lot about Izzi's history or the genesis of his issues other than the widely varying facts presented on the boards. I do not have a dog in this particular fight. However, I have spent 47 years as a lawyer representing folks who have substance issues and who get into the criminal justice system. I have seen people succeed and have seen many fail.

Some of them get started on pills as a result of injury (most folks do curtail the painkiller use on their own post-injury). Some due to using other drugs and transitioning to others (sometimes for cost or availability reasons). Locally, I have seen a lot of folks get hooked on pills and then switch to heroin because it is cheaper on the street than Oxy. Many people have underlying personality disorders or other mental issues and self medicate.

One never recovers until they are clean and have the capacity to listen to some counseling for the drivers of the drug use. If they continue to use, the best mental health counseling with never get traction.

He needs to fully dry out...and sadly that too often happens in a custodial setting...and then he may have a chance if he can get some help to understand and deal with the drivers of his drug use. The bottom line is that it is solely up to him and no one else can do the job for him.

Until then...the music will keep playing and the merry go round will just keep going...until it usually has a tragic end.

Committing crimes is often one of the results of drug use. Folks need to be punished for the crimes, but some consideration should be given to what got them there and if it can be fixed. If it does not appear to be fixable (usually due to chronic recidivist behavior), judges just warehouse folks to protect the community.

Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:

Best post in this thread !

Walter wrote:

I do not know a lot about Izzi's history or the genesis of his issues other than the widely varying facts presented on the boards. I...

I do not know a lot about Izzi's history or the genesis of his issues other than the widely varying facts presented on the boards. I do not have a dog in this particular fight. However, I have spent 47 years as a lawyer representing folks who have substance issues and who get into the criminal justice system. I have seen people succeed and have seen many fail.

Some of them get started on pills as a result of injury (most folks do curtail the painkiller use on their own post-injury). Some due to using other drugs and transitioning to others (sometimes for cost or availability reasons). Locally, I have seen a lot of folks get hooked on pills and then switch to heroin because it is cheaper on the street than Oxy. Many people have underlying personality disorders or other mental issues and self medicate.

One never recovers until they are clean and have the capacity to listen to some counseling for the drivers of the drug use. If they continue to use, the best mental health counseling with never get traction.

He needs to fully dry out...and sadly that too often happens in a custodial setting...and then he may have a chance if he can get some help to understand and deal with the drivers of his drug use. The bottom line is that it is solely up to him and no one else can do the job for him.

Until then...the music will keep playing and the merry go round will just keep going...until it usually has a tragic end.

Committing crimes is often one of the results of drug use. Folks need to be punished for the crimes, but some consideration should be given to what got them there and if it can be fixed. If it does not appear to be fixable (usually due to chronic recidivist behavior), judges just warehouse folks to protect the community.

Andy_Greenney wrote:

Its tough to fit healthcare in to capitalist model, its pays much better to treat than to cure.

just James wrote:

Yeah, that's why socialist countries come up with so many more medical breakthroughs than the United States does. ..........NOT!

Walter wrote:

[i]Most crimes are committed by drug addicts. That is just the cold hard reality. My county started doing a drug rehabilitation program for "drug only" offenders...

Most crimes are committed by drug addicts. That is just the cold hard reality. My county started doing a drug rehabilitation program for "drug only" offenders. Meaning, if the police pick you up solely on possession related charges, a judge can put you into the drug rehabilitation program. It's almost like bail. Basically the judge says you stay out of trouble, do not get arrested for anything and piss clean then your charges are dropped at the end of it. Counseling, rehab, support groups etc are also mandatroy. It's a really, really great program in theory. Unfortunately, only one person has successfully completed the program over the past year. one.

I'm proud of the one person who completed it. She was a true addict who never hurt anyone in her life. She had a serious problem. She's been graduated from the program for a while now and she seems to be doing great. Just knowing that it worked for one person makes me happy we have it and absolutely makes it worthwhile. But on the flip side, it sucks seeing how many people fail the program because they commit other crimes or fail drug tests. I don't know what the answer is to this problem. No one does, I guess that's why it's considered an epidemic.

AGN5009:

In my area (Tucson AZ) our state court "drug court" is a real success. Part of recovery is a bit of failure and the court recognizes that, but does not excuse it. First dirty urine test = 2 days in jail. No hearing, no explanation, just 2 days. Next one gets you 4 days, third one gets you 8 days and maybe getting bounced out of the program and your release conditions revoked.

Consequences, but continued programming till the person demonstrates that they do not want to succeed.

The reality is that these programs and probationary treatment rather than incarceration are the best choices (and by far the least expensive) for all but those who just do not want to stop using or who are a real danger to the community by virtue of their acts.

I need to respectfully take issue with your comment that most crimes are committed by drug addicts. Many are, but addiction is not the driver of the criminal case load. Moreover, addicts with money from jobs or families do not commit crimes (aside from the drug possession). Those w/o support sell drugs or steal to fund the habit. Too often the system punishes the consequent crime w/o addressing the cause so we have someone primed to fail on probation or repeat the behavior when they are released from a custodial sentence.

Bottom line is that it is a pervasive problem with real economic and human costs and no easy single, one size fits all solution.

oldblood wrote:

A few months back there was a story about a major drug company shipping a rediculous amount of opioids into a small town back east. Something...

A few months back there was a story about a major drug company shipping a rediculous amount of opioids into a small town back east. Something like, many times the population of the town could ever use. Not blaming the drug companies for Nicos situation, he made own decisions. But if you think drug companies would choose anyone's health over profits you're very naive.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GJWIPRvtAHk

Walter wrote:

I do not know a lot about Izzi's history or the genesis of his issues other than the widely varying facts presented on the boards. I...

I do not know a lot about Izzi's history or the genesis of his issues other than the widely varying facts presented on the boards. I do not have a dog in this particular fight. However, I have spent 47 years as a lawyer representing folks who have substance issues and who get into the criminal justice system. I have seen people succeed and have seen many fail.

Some of them get started on pills as a result of injury (most folks do curtail the painkiller use on their own post-injury). Some due to using other drugs and transitioning to others (sometimes for cost or availability reasons). Locally, I have seen a lot of folks get hooked on pills and then switch to heroin because it is cheaper on the street than Oxy. Many people have underlying personality disorders or other mental issues and self medicate.

One never recovers until they are clean and have the capacity to listen to some counseling for the drivers of the drug use. If they continue to use, the best mental health counseling with never get traction.

He needs to fully dry out...and sadly that too often happens in a custodial setting...and then he may have a chance if he can get some help to understand and deal with the drivers of his drug use. The bottom line is that it is solely up to him and no one else can do the job for him.

Until then...the music will keep playing and the merry go round will just keep going...until it usually has a tragic end.

Committing crimes is often one of the results of drug use. Folks need to be punished for the crimes, but some consideration should be given to what got them there and if it can be fixed. If it does not appear to be fixable (usually due to chronic recidivist behavior), judges just warehouse folks to protect the community.

blockhead17 wrote:

this seems to be a place for people to come and try and validate how great they are, I don’t drink, I never took drugs, I...

this seems to be a place for people to come and try and validate how great they are, I don’t drink, I never took drugs, I didn’t become addicted etc etc

Guess what, you aren’t Nico Izzy either!

Your opinion is the equivalent to a homeless person giving a homeowner mortgage advice...

omalley wrote:

Not necessarily. Can I give an opinion of what it’s like to be an addict? Nope, never been addicted (unless you count MX, lol...). However, I...

Not necessarily. Can I give an opinion of what it’s like to be an addict? Nope, never been addicted (unless you count MX, lol...). However, I can most certainly object to those who commit crime. The problem with our society in this area is that we continue to come up with reasons other than personal accountability to explain crime. Sorry, not buying it, not even with a coupon. Crime is crime, regardless of reason.